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Tour de France (2023 from p54)

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    Great start to the tour first time brothers have finished 1st and 2nd since 1919
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    Great start to the tour first time brothers have finished 1st and 2nd since 1919
    Oh thats rubbish... there was me hoping, and thinking it was a first
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    Great start to the tour first time brothers have finished 1st and 2nd since 1919
    Oh thats rubbish... there was me hoping, and thinking it was a first
    Probably the first twins
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    Great start to the tour first time brothers have finished 1st and 2nd since 1919
    Oh thats rubbish... there was me hoping, and thinking it was a first
    Probably the first twins
    And first for the opening stage and yellow jersey?
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    Great start to the tour first time brothers have finished 1st and 2nd since 1919
    I've just been reading about 1919, the Pelissier brothers finished 1-2 in stage 2 with Henri beating Francis and then 1-2 again in stage 3, this time Francis beating Henri

    I suspect we're not going to see the Yates' replicating that
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    rina said:
    Great start to the tour first time brothers have finished 1st and 2nd since 1919
    I've just been reading about 1919, the Pelissier brothers finished 1-2 in stage 2 with Henri beating Francis and then 1-2 again in stage 3, this time Francis beating Henri

    I suspect we're not going to see the Yates' replicating that
    I think the betting regulators and the police would get involved in that case!
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    rina said:
    Great start to the tour first time brothers have finished 1st and 2nd since 1919
    I've just been reading about 1919, the Pelissier brothers finished 1-2 in stage 2 with Henri beating Francis and then 1-2 again in stage 3, this time Francis beating Henri

    I suspect we're not going to see the Yates' replicating that
    I think the betting regulators and the police would get involved in that case!
    That's interesting, because as a sport it seems to be filled with people giving way to others for one reason or another. All sorts of temporary allegiances are formed and tacit agreements made, most of which I'm sure we never hear of. What would they have to go on if Simon came in ahead of Adam?
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    Plus, even if it did happen, I don't see how it would be by any agreement or conspiracy anyway. Imagine how competitive you'd have to be to make it to the top echelons of professional cycling. That doesn't sound like the sort of person who would give a race away to a twin bother for the sake of family unity. And I can't imagine someone that competitive being very happy living the rest of his life with the thought that his biggest race win ever came because his brother gifted it to him.
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    edited July 2023
    Stig said:
    I can't imagine someone that competitive being very happy living the rest of his life with the thought that his biggest race win ever came because it was gifted it to him.
    Part of me keeps hoping that Cavendish might be gifted his 35th win, especially if its in Paris

    Equally though, you have to listen to how he speaks about the Tour - If you can claim you've won a single Stage at the Tour, then you've pretty much got it made in Cycling. So be ridiculous for someone to hand over a Stage win, as they'll never know if they'll ever be in that scenario again.
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    rina said:
    Great start to the tour first time brothers have finished 1st and 2nd since 1919
    I've just been reading about 1919, the Pelissier brothers finished 1-2 in stage 2 with Henri beating Francis and then 1-2 again in stage 3, this time Francis beating Henri

    I suspect we're not going to see the Yates' replicating that
    I think the betting regulators and the police would get involved in that case!
    Do they get involved in Formula One when the junior driver is told to let the senior one through? 
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    iaitch said:
    rina said:
    Great start to the tour first time brothers have finished 1st and 2nd since 1919
    I've just been reading about 1919, the Pelissier brothers finished 1-2 in stage 2 with Henri beating Francis and then 1-2 again in stage 3, this time Francis beating Henri

    I suspect we're not going to see the Yates' replicating that
    I think the betting regulators and the police would get involved in that case!
    Do they get involved in Formula One when the junior driver is told to let the senior one through? 
    F1 is primarily a Constructor Sport... It just so happens that the Drivers Championship gets more prestige.

    Its why Red Bull wont hesitate to get rid of Perez, if they feel he cant help deliver the WCC

    Formula 2 would be a better example - Vesti came up behind his team mate Bearman in todays race... They were on different strategies and Vesti was the "race leader" - Bearman had absolutely no obligation to simply let him by (although he did), because team orders don't exist in the Junior Series.
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    Great cat and mouse ending to the Stage.
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    Great finish 
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    Funny seeing Pogacar taking the piss out of van Aert's reaction during the warm down.

    Good to see Pidcock in P4
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    fantastic finish but poor form from vingergaard at the end imo
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    There was a race recently can’t remember which one where two UAE riders were ahead of the bunch and rolled across the finish one slightly ahead of the other to take first and second. It was shown afterwards just before that them playing rock, paper, scissors to decide who won. I think they got sanctioned for it later, but can’t remember.
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    edited July 2023
    I'm not going to enjoy a single Sprint this Tour

    Nope not today as suspected
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    Cav looked good and was happy at the end … good sign 
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    Tomorrows sprint suits him more 
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    edited July 2023
    stonemuse said:
    Tomorrows sprint suits him more 
    Don't think I can bear it if we have to wait for him to make it all the way to Paris, but it would be such a fitting climax if he makes it through the mountains and does it on the Champs.

    Fingers crossed for tomorrow though. The sooner the better. 🤞
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    Saw a tweet after the Sprint... Cavendish's top speed was slightly faster than Philipsen

    So the speed is there for him
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    Got to like Cav and how he wears his heart on his sleeve and won’t tolerate journalists provocative questioning.

    I think he held back from getting into a dangerous position today, I’m sure if an opportunity presented itself he would have gone for it, but that finish could easily have ended up with someone in the barriers and tour over. If he’s got the legs and today and the end of the Giro looks like he has then I’m sure he will get his chance and take it. Would be a fitting end to an amazing career.
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    edited July 2023
    DAMNIT... He hesitated!! - Was forced to check as he sprung his Sprint
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    Yup, not his best finish 
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    edited July 2023
    Really thought he had it in the bag, with how far forward he was at that final turn.

    Least he didnt go down
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    Just watched the interview with Cavendish on ITV4

    The best consolation if he doesn't win a Stage, is the fact that he appears to be having the time of his life, as he comes to the end of his career.
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    Loved the comment from Cadel Evans that he finds it amazing that sprinters notice every milli-second of action around them and can react so quickly 
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