A lot of noise and semantics on this thread from groups who have done absolutely nothing during the past 12 months to try and rid Charlton of Duchâtelet. Unlike the likes of ROT/B20.
Actions speak louder than words.
They certainly do. That's why I have joined ROT as soon as it became a formal group, contributed financially, and am working on some practical support which if it becomes available could turbocharge the ROT election campaign.
But I thought you already knew that...
Absolutely, and not aimed at you personally, for that very reason.
For CARD to call for fans to boycott is totally wrong as it won't happen as to boycott is a personal decision, some of us will and some will not. Also in the final paragraph of the article on page 1 of this thread there is an ambiguity as to whether fans should support the team, surely the message should be "support the team not the regime".
I generally support CARD and have boycotted for the past 2 years but think they could have worded their statement a little better.
Finally I'm please to see that AB and Prague have buried the hatchet, but not in each other, as we need such luminaries of CL to be working together to get rid of the current regime.
For CARD to call for fans to boycott is totally wrong as it won't happen as to boycott is a personal decision, some of us will and some will not. Also in the final paragraph of the article on page 1 of this thread there is an ambiguity as to whether fans should support the team, surely the message should be "support the team not the regime".
I generally support CARD and have boycotted for the past 2 years but think they could have worded their statement a little better.
Finally I'm please to see that AB and Prague have buried the hatchet, but not in each other, as we need such luminaries of CL to be working together to get rid of the current regime.
It will happen and has already been happening. Just as with any CARD organised protest at The Valley some people take part, some are supportive and can’t be bothered and others are opposed. To argue otherwise is to believe that CARD should never have called any protests because some people wouldn’t take part. Nobody is under any illusions that CARD’s position will empty the stadium, but it reflects the group’s view that if Duchatelet remains in charge the screw needs to be tightened.
I think it is as simple as that. We all have different ideas and thoughts of actions or non actions which we think would have the best effect. But sometimes unity is required and CARD have been instrumental in some very imaginative and successful protests to date. Support them or don't support them, but just accept they are entitled to provide suggestions to supporters on things like this.
AB - you misinterpret my argument , which is probably my fault for being inarticulate. I am not "arguing otherwise" but simply suggesting that the CARD statement could have been better worded, perhaps I am the articulate one and CARD isn't?
I must admit that I have always been a little puzzled by the “ support the team not the regime “ tagline. If you are giving your admission money to the club to do what it wants with that money how are you not, in some way, supporting the regime?
I must admit that I have always been a little puzzled by the “ support the team not the regime “ tagline. If you are giving your admission money to the club to do what it wants with that money how are you not, in some way, supporting the regime?
You can do it by going to away games, attending £5 home games, somehow obtaining a free ticket and paying to attend when a major demo is planned - that’s how!
We're football fans, not members of a trade union. Until Roland appoints a new CEO and Finance officer I will assume that the alleged takeover will materialise at some point
I must admit that I have always been a little puzzled by the “ support the team not the regime “ tagline. If you are giving your admission money to the club to do what it wants with that money how are you not, in some way, supporting the regime?
You can do it by going to away games, attending £5 home games, somehow obtaining a free ticket and paying to attend when a major demo is planned - that’s how!
Yeah I can see that ( although those five pounds mount up ) but what about the others, almost certainly the majority who spurt that mantra, who have STs or pay full admission price.
I must admit that I have always been a little puzzled by the “ support the team not the regime “ tagline. If you are giving your admission money to the club to do what it wants with that money how are you not, in some way, supporting the regime?
You can do it by going to away games, attending £5 home games, somehow obtaining a free ticket and paying to attend when a major demo is planned - that’s how!
Yeah I can see that ( although those five pounds mount up ) but what about the others, almost certainly the majority who spurt that mantra, who have STs or pay full admission price.
I must admit that I have always been a little puzzled by the “ support the team not the regime “ tagline. If you are giving your admission money to the club to do what it wants with that money how are you not, in some way, supporting the regime?
You can do it by going to away games, attending £5 home games, somehow obtaining a free ticket and paying to attend when a major demo is planned - that’s how!
Yeah I can see that ( although those five pounds mount up ) but what about the others, almost certainly the majority who spurt that mantra, who have STs or pay full admission price.
I must admit that I have always been a little puzzled by the “ support the team not the regime “ tagline. If you are giving your admission money to the club to do what it wants with that money how are you not, in some way, supporting the regime?
You can do it by going to away games, attending £5 home games, somehow obtaining a free ticket and paying to attend when a major demo is planned - that’s how!
Yeah I can see that ( although those five pounds mount up ) but what about the others, almost certainly the majority who spurt that mantra, who have STs or pay full admission price.
I don't know; what about them? You tell me.
I don’t know.
That is why I’m asking the question.
Don't be coy, you said, 'If you are giving your admission money to the club to do what it what it wants with that money how are you not, in some way, supporting the regime?'
I must admit that I have always been a little puzzled by the “ support the team not the regime “ tagline. If you are giving your admission money to the club to do what it wants with that money how are you not, in some way, supporting the regime?
You can do it by going to away games, attending £5 home games, somehow obtaining a free ticket and paying to attend when a major demo is planned - that’s how!
Yeah I can see that ( although those five pounds mount up ) but what about the others, almost certainly the majority who spurt that mantra, who have STs or pay full admission price.
I don't know; what about them? You tell me.
I don’t know.
That is why I’m asking the question.
Don't be coy, you said, 'If you are giving your admission money to the club to do what it what it wants with that money how are you not, in some way, supporting the regime?'
I did say that. It is a question. The question mark at the end is a dead giveaway!
I must admit that I have always been a little puzzled by the “ support the team not the regime “ tagline. If you are giving your admission money to the club to do what it wants with that money how are you not, in some way, supporting the regime?
You can do it by going to away games, attending £5 home games, somehow obtaining a free ticket and paying to attend when a major demo is planned - that’s how!
Yeah I can see that ( although those five pounds mount up ) but what about the others, almost certainly the majority who spurt that mantra, who have STs or pay full admission price.
I don't know; what about them? You tell me.
I don’t know.
That is why I’m asking the question.
Don't be coy, you said, 'If you are giving your admission money to the club to do what it what it wants with that money how are you not, in some way, supporting the regime?'
I did say that. It is a question. The question mark at the end is a dead giveaway!
You then went on to say in your next post ' ...what about the others, almost certainly the majority who spurt that mantra, who have STs or pay full admission price' -no question mark - which would suggest you think they are in some way complicit in the way that RD continues to run the club. I am one of those who has paid full admission to support the team, so I imagine you think of me as one of those who 'spurt the mantra', ergo, I am an 'apologist' or whatever pejorative you choose to use. If you want to wallow in your self- identifying martyrdom as a boycotter, go ahead, I don't care, but spare me and others who attend home games your sneery self-righteousness.
I must admit that I have always been a little puzzled by the “ support the team not the regime “ tagline. If you are giving your admission money to the club to do what it wants with that money how are you not, in some way, supporting the regime?
You can do it by going to away games, attending £5 home games, somehow obtaining a free ticket and paying to attend when a major demo is planned - that’s how!
Yeah I can see that ( although those five pounds mount up ) but what about the others, almost certainly the majority who spurt that mantra, who have STs or pay full admission price.
I don't know; what about them? You tell me.
I don’t know.
That is why I’m asking the question.
Don't be coy, you said, 'If you are giving your admission money to the club to do what it what it wants with that money how are you not, in some way, supporting the regime?'
I did say that. It is a question. The question mark at the end is a dead giveaway!
You then went on to say in your next post ' ...what about the others, almost certainly the majority who spurt that mantra, who have STs or pay full admission price' -no question mark - which would suggest you think they are in some way complicit in the way that RD continues to run the club. I am one of those who has paid full admission to support the team, so I imagine you think of me as one of those who 'spurt the mantra', ergo, I am an 'apologist' or whatever pejorative you choose to use. If you want to wallow in your self- identifying martyrdom as a boycotter, go ahead, I don't care, but spare me and others who attend home games your sneery self-righteousness.
And that is where your entire argument falls down.
I must admit that I have always been a little puzzled by the “ support the team not the regime “ tagline. If you are giving your admission money to the club to do what it wants with that money how are you not, in some way, supporting the regime?
You can do it by going to away games, attending £5 home games, somehow obtaining a free ticket and paying to attend when a major demo is planned - that’s how!
Yeah I can see that ( although those five pounds mount up ) but what about the others, almost certainly the majority who spurt that mantra, who have STs or pay full admission price.
I don't know; what about them? You tell me.
I don’t know.
That is why I’m asking the question.
Don't be coy, you said, 'If you are giving your admission money to the club to do what it what it wants with that money how are you not, in some way, supporting the regime?'
I did say that. It is a question. The question mark at the end is a dead giveaway!
You then went on to say in your next post ' ...what about the others, almost certainly the majority who spurt that mantra, who have STs or pay full admission price' -no question mark - which would suggest you think they are in some way complicit in the way that RD continues to run the club. I am one of those who has paid full admission to support the team, so I imagine you think of me as one of those who 'spurt the mantra', ergo, I am an 'apologist' or whatever pejorative you choose to use. If you want to wallow in your self- identifying martyrdom as a boycotter, go ahead, I don't care, but spare me and others who attend home games your sneery self-righteousness.
So going back to the original question about supporting the team, not the regime, do you believe that by paying full admission to attend matches you have not supported the regime?
I must admit that I have always been a little puzzled by the “ support the team not the regime “ tagline. If you are giving your admission money to the club to do what it wants with that money how are you not, in some way, supporting the regime?
You can do it by going to away games, attending £5 home games, somehow obtaining a free ticket and paying to attend when a major demo is planned - that’s how!
Yeah I can see that ( although those five pounds mount up ) but what about the others, almost certainly the majority who spurt that mantra, who have STs or pay full admission price.
I don't know; what about them? You tell me.
I don’t know.
That is why I’m asking the question.
Don't be coy, you said, 'If you are giving your admission money to the club to do what it what it wants with that money how are you not, in some way, supporting the regime?'
I did say that. It is a question. The question mark at the end is a dead giveaway!
You then went on to say in your next post ' ...what about the others, almost certainly the majority who spurt that mantra, who have STs or pay full admission price' -no question mark - which would suggest you think they are in some way complicit in the way that RD continues to run the club. I am one of those who has paid full admission to support the team, so I imagine you think of me as one of those who 'spurt the mantra', ergo, I am an 'apologist' or whatever pejorative you choose to use. If you want to wallow in your self- identifying martyrdom as a boycotter, go ahead, I don't care, but spare me and others who attend home games your sneery self-righteousness.
And that is where your entire argument falls down.
I must admit that I have always been a little puzzled by the “ support the team not the regime “ tagline. If you are giving your admission money to the club to do what it wants with that money how are you not, in some way, supporting the regime?
You can do it by going to away games, attending £5 home games, somehow obtaining a free ticket and paying to attend when a major demo is planned - that’s how!
Yeah I can see that ( although those five pounds mount up ) but what about the others, almost certainly the majority who spurt that mantra, who have STs or pay full admission price.
I don't know; what about them? You tell me.
I don’t know.
That is why I’m asking the question.
Don't be coy, you said, 'If you are giving your admission money to the club to do what it what it wants with that money how are you not, in some way, supporting the regime?'
I did say that. It is a question. The question mark at the end is a dead giveaway!
You then went on to say in your next post ' ...what about the others, almost certainly the majority who spurt that mantra, who have STs or pay full admission price' -no question mark - which would suggest you think they are in some way complicit in the way that RD continues to run the club. I am one of those who has paid full admission to support the team, so I imagine you think of me as one of those who 'spurt the mantra', ergo, I am an 'apologist' or whatever pejorative you choose to use. If you want to wallow in your self- identifying martyrdom as a boycotter, go ahead, I don't care, but spare me and others who attend home games your sneery self-righteousness.
So going back to the original question about supporting the team, not the regime, do you believe that by paying full admission to attend matches you have not supported the regime?
What, exactly, do you consider the 'regime' to be?
I must admit that I have always been a little puzzled by the “ support the team not the regime “ tagline. If you are giving your admission money to the club to do what it wants with that money how are you not, in some way, supporting the regime?
You can do it by going to away games, attending £5 home games, somehow obtaining a free ticket and paying to attend when a major demo is planned - that’s how!
Yeah I can see that ( although those five pounds mount up ) but what about the others, almost certainly the majority who spurt that mantra, who have STs or pay full admission price.
I don't know; what about them? You tell me.
I don’t know.
That is why I’m asking the question.
Don't be coy, you said, 'If you are giving your admission money to the club to do what it what it wants with that money how are you not, in some way, supporting the regime?'
I did say that. It is a question. The question mark at the end is a dead giveaway!
You then went on to say in your next post ' ...what about the others, almost certainly the majority who spurt that mantra, who have STs or pay full admission price' -no question mark - which would suggest you think they are in some way complicit in the way that RD continues to run the club. I am one of those who has paid full admission to support the team, so I imagine you think of me as one of those who 'spurt the mantra', ergo, I am an 'apologist' or whatever pejorative you choose to use. If you want to wallow in your self- identifying martyrdom as a boycotter, go ahead, I don't care, but spare me and others who attend home games your sneery self-righteousness.
So going back to the original question about supporting the team, not the regime, do you believe that by paying full admission to attend matches you have not supported the regime?
What, exactly, do you consider the 'regime' to be?
The owner and his senior management team (when he had one), not the footballing staff/management.
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I generally support CARD and have boycotted for the past 2 years but think they could have worded their statement a little better.
Finally I'm please to see that AB and Prague have buried the hatchet, but not in each other, as we need such luminaries of CL to be working together to get rid of the current regime.
You tell me.
That is why I’m asking the question.
Should give you an idea
It's not allowed under EU Regulations.
What happens behind the scenes is out of their hands.
which would suggest you think they are in some way complicit in the way that RD continues to run the club.
I am one of those who has paid full admission to support the team, so I imagine you think of me as one of those who 'spurt the mantra', ergo, I am an 'apologist' or whatever pejorative you choose to use.
If you want to wallow in your self- identifying martyrdom as a boycotter, go ahead, I don't care, but spare me and others who attend home games your sneery self-righteousness.