@Weegie Addick - thank you for your brilliant work on this. I bet you couldnt believe what you were reading. So the article has an email at the end for replying. My god that's going to be a telephone book sized issue.....
I can think of a lot of people on here reading his thoughts on immigration who are now conflicted. On the one hand - he's fucking over our football club. On the other hand, IMMIGRANTS
It's like if the Daily Mail suddenly found out that Muslims were burning paedophiles...
He’s smarter than everyone, like to put people into groups and make blanket statements about them and sees everything in a binary fashion. There’s no nuance in his thinking.
Apart from the racist comments, a couple of others stood out for me...
Still doesn’t understand how synergies work. Knows the cost of everything & the value of nothing. Man City’s network works (and Watford’s) because they have competent people in all the positions that matter & are prepared to work & invest to get it right. Giving jobs to the likes of Meire, Peeters, Luzon, Fraeye, Dreissen, Keohane...that’s just a recipe for disaster, not synergy.
“Construction work used to be a hard task, but now if you tackle that well and use the latest techniques, it's pretty easy“
Obviously referring to his magnificent upgrades to the training ground there!! Tackled well & latest techniques all the way!!
Absolutely delusional and a nasty, racist scrote with it.
Lungi Macebo, our HR Manager, currently holidaying in Argentina, and also Director, since May 18, Director of Woman In Football "working in the industry, to challenge any discrimination & inequalities"
ARE YOU HAPPY WITH THIS SHIT FROM YOUR BOSS?
So once a guest worker, always a guest worker – even for two to three generations? Duchâtelet: In genuine migration countries like Canada or New Zealand, I would never say anything like that. There you are a full citizen as soon as you are admitted as a migrant after thorough screening. But the second and third generation in Belgium? How did their parents end up here? It was the mismanagement of the governments at the time, which allowed virtually everyone in without any significant control. It is not only Belgium that is struggling with this. Correcting this mismangement is precisely what determines the political climate in Europe to a large extent. This is also very much the case in Germany.
Dear Mr Duchatalet, whilst I may piss vinegar, I am a military historian, and pedant at that, I therefore feel compelled to correct your Generals and Bismark bullshit, the word you were searching for was Admiral you deranged fucktard, now fuckoff back to the fascinating world of micro electronics and let everyone else get on with thier own shit.....Clive Harris, MA
This is evidently the same article but translated into French
I'm posting it not only for completeness, but also for you to see the google translation into English!!
Le Vif 30/8/2018 https://www.levif.be/actualite/belgique/roland-duchatelet-les-gens-gagnent-trop-peu-dans-ce-pays/article-normal-884593.html Roland Duchâtelet: "Les gens gagnent trop peu dans ce pays" Michel Vandersmissen, Erik Raspoet 30/08/18 à 14:57 - Mise à jour à 16:19 Source: Knack Certaines tendances de l'islam devraient figurer sur la liste de sectes dangereuses. Et non, son aventure dans le monde du foot n'était pas une franche réussite. L'entrepreneur Roland Duchâtelet n'a pas peur des déclarations fracassantes. "Enseignant, un métier pénible? Une honte." Il y a quelques jours, l'entrepreneur Roland Duchâtelet figurait encore dans les journaux britanniques, du tabloïd The Sun à l'institut The Times. Le torchon brûlait à nouveau dans son club de foot londonien, le Charlton Athletic. Le club fait des économies et les petits joueurs ne reçoivent plus d'eau en bouteille. ...
Roland Duchâtelet: "People earn too little in this country" Michel Vandersmissen, Erik Raspoet 30/08/18 at 14:57 - Updated at 16:19 Source: Knack Some trends in Islam should be on the list of dangerous cults. And no, his adventure in the world of football was not a frank success. Entrepreneur Roland Duchâtelet is not afraid of shattering statements. "Teacher, a hard job? A shame.” A few days ago, the entrepreneur Roland Duchâtelet was still in the British newspapers, tabloid The Sun at The Times Institute. The towel was burning again in his London football club, Charlton Athletic. The club saves money and the little players do not get bottled water anymore
(continues, but you have to sign up to see the rest)
Dear Mr Duchatalet, whilst I may piss vinegar, I am a military historian, and pedant at that, I therefore feel compelled to correct your Generals and Bismark bullshit, the word you were searching for was Admiral you deranged fucktard, now fuckoff back to the fascinating world of micro electronics and let everyone else get on with thier own shit.....Clive Harris, MA
Funny - or maybe just pithy - to reflect on how different it could have been. RD arrives and says to SCP - Chris, what do you need to get this team into the Prem? And we had kept Stephens, Morrison, Yann, Gomez, Cousins, Hamer, Lookman, Konsa. Makes you wonder, if we had managed to go up in the first year or two, sellout crowds again at the Valley watching Premier League football. I don’t think Roland would be looking such a prick and so out of pocket. On the contrary, he could be basking in successful football club ownership.
I agree, there is a line he has crossed. What is sad is that people can cross it and not be called out for being racists - not just Roland. Islam is not a sect!I was trying to put down my thoughts on where that line might be! Sadly, you do have to think about it, which doesn't suit the way the world is at the moment!
I'd just like to point out that 'sect' and 'religion' are words, rightly or wrongly, that are freely interchangeable in France generally, so maybe in Belgium too. It is something that has always bothered me, but I have spoken to many people and read many examples where Islam and Christianity are referred to as sects.
I agree, there is a line he has crossed. What is sad is that people can cross it and not be called out for being racists - not just Roland. Islam is not a sect!I was trying to put down my thoughts on where that line might be! Sadly, you do have to think about it, which doesn't suit the way the world is at the moment!
I'd just like to point out that 'sect' and 'religion' are words, rightly or wrongly, that are freely interchangeable in France generally, so maybe in Belgium too. It is something that has always bothered me, but I have spoken to many people and read many examples where Islam and Christianity are referred to as sects.
Thank you for that information. It explains why there has not been any outrage in Belgium to his words.
His views about Basic Income are oddly in 100% opposition to his other idea that "government takes too much income (taxes.)"
To have UBI, taxes would have to explode. In most European countries and America, only about 50-55% of citizens are active in the workforce. Which means to have UBI, one half of society would have to give up half of what they make to the other half. No one would tolerate that for long. And this is before retirement schemes, healthcare costs, roads, defense. It is unworkable.
I sometimes wonder how the hell he got rich in the first place since he seems to not understand math and logic at the 4th grade level.
Funny - or maybe just pithy - to reflect on how different it could have been. RD arrives and says to SCP - Chris, what do you need to get this team into the Prem? And we had kept Stephens, Morrison, Yann, Gomez, Cousins, Hamer, Lookman, Konsa. Makes you wonder, if we had managed to go up in the first year or two, sellout crowds again at the Valley watching Premier League football. I don’t think Roland would be looking such a prick and so out of pocket. On the contrary, he could be basking in successful football club ownership.
What a tool.
It would have been the sensible approach. We had the basis of a very decent side after promotion which was damaged when the wheels came off financially for the previous regime, but the potential was there to fix the issues at reasonable cost and get things back on track. It was never going to happen though, because Duchatelet bought the club because of his idea around the network. He thought most of the players you mentioned were not good enough, thanks to a Belgian young man researching players in his bedroom on a computer. An idea that was not ridiculous in itself, but was ridiculous in its execution from the off! I suppose Duchatelet thought he was embarking of the football equivalent of Money Ball.
His lack of knowledge about football was clearly exposed with his e-mails to Powell about team formations. Whatever you think of Powell as a manager, He was an England International with a long career behind him, and explaining basic formations to him exposed Duchatelet as a fool. I coach a youth football team and I would feel insulted getting a similar e-mail from a parent, so to do it to a professional manager is beyond crass!
It was never about doing a full analysis and taking stock of the issues and opportunities, which there were many at the time of purchase, but to implement the network idea from the word go. The qualifications and knowledge of those that had his ear made it harder and more expensive and his tightness when there were opportunities sealed the deal in terms of his failure. It is no secret that all of his managers felt unsupported, even Fraeye, whether we think they were good or not!
I wish he understood that, rather than blaming everything else. When people make mistakes and understand them, it is easier to be more forgiving. Football is not like any other business - he is right there. What businesses that have been damaged as much as we have been in the last few years have gone up in value? Even though the potential buyers are baulking at Duchatelet's price, the price they are reportedly willing to pay seems more than decent - in honesty, it still feels too much. It works both ways.
I could even respect him if he was open about trying to make the club a success but failing in its implementation. To try and fail is not a crime. But the logical next step is to walk away with regrets or adopt a new approach. His approach is to be defensive about his mistakes and blame everybody else. It is quite pathetic really.
His views about Basic Income are oddly in 100% opposition to his other idea that "government takes too much income (taxes.)"
To have UBI, taxes would have to explode. In most European countries and America, only about 50-55% of citizens are active in the workforce. Which means to have UBI, one half of society would have to give up half of what they make to the other half. No one would tolerate that for long. And this is before retirement schemes, healthcare costs, roads, defense. It is unworkable.
I sometimes wonder how the hell he got rich in the first place since he seems to not understand math and logic at the 4th grade level.
I believe his wealth came via ownership of several patents, although I could be wrong.
His views are far worse and far more dangerous. Because Roland Duchatelet is an influential, rich, charismatic, businessman, entrepreneur and politician. He shouldn't use his platform to criticise immigrants. He shouldn't use his platform to call for the banning of a religion. He shouldn't call for mosques to be shut and imams deported. He shouldn't "other" people who are second or third generation immigrants in his country.
But if he does want to publicise those views, he should not be the "President" of a football club which has a long and proud tradition of fighting racism.
this wont be popular...but his knowledge and understanding on football is deluded, his points on other agendas, annoyingly and embarrassingly (cue the abuse) i agree with some of what he says
this wont be popular...but his knowledge and understanding on football is deluded, his points on other agendas, annoyingly and embarrassingly (cue the abuse) i agree with some of what he says
Yeh, we've got far too many teachers.
They all finish by 3.30, get every weekend off and have you seen the amount of holidays they get?
this wont be popular...but his knowledge and understanding on football is deluded, his points on other agendas, annoyingly and embarrassingly (cue the abuse) i agree with some of what he says
Yeh, we've got far too many teachers.
They all finish by 3.30, get every weekend off and have you seen the amount of holidays they get?
Some of them are muslims as well.
Disgraceful.
not going down the politics route, way to opinionated, but his views, non football i will add have relevance. you can make from that what you want, in my industry i see it and agree with what he says.
this wont be popular...but his knowledge and understanding on football is deluded, his points on other agendas, annoyingly and embarrassingly (cue the abuse) i agree with some of what he says
Yeh, we've got far too many teachers.
They all finish by 3.30, get every weekend off and have you seen the amount of holidays they get?
Some of them are muslims as well.
Disgraceful.
not going down the politics route, way to opinionated, but his views, non football i will add have relevance. you can make from that what you want, in my industry i see it and agree with what he says.
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Laying @cobbles is a gruelling profession. If you had done that for 30 years, you wouldn’t be piping up like this.
That's what Meire said...
It's like if the Daily Mail suddenly found out that Muslims were burning paedophiles...
I found that an interesting read . I noticed he sees himself as an expert on military matters too ! Sigh ...
He’s smarter than everyone, like to put people into groups and make blanket statements about them and sees everything in a binary fashion. There’s no nuance in his thinking.
Apart from the racist comments, a couple of others stood out for me...
Still doesn’t understand how synergies work. Knows the cost of everything & the value of nothing. Man City’s network works (and Watford’s) because they have competent people in all the positions that matter & are prepared to work & invest to get it right. Giving jobs to the likes of Meire, Peeters, Luzon, Fraeye, Dreissen, Keohane...that’s just a recipe for disaster, not synergy.
“Construction work used to be a hard task, but now if you tackle that well and use the latest techniques, it's pretty easy“
Obviously referring to his magnificent upgrades to the training ground there!! Tackled well & latest techniques all the way!!
Absolutely delusional and a nasty, racist scrote with it.
My two-penn'orth:
Lungi Macebo, our HR Manager, currently holidaying in Argentina, and also Director, since May 18, Director of Woman In Football "working in the industry, to challenge any discrimination & inequalities"
ARE YOU HAPPY WITH THIS SHIT FROM YOUR BOSS?
So once a guest worker, always a guest worker – even for two to three generations?
Duchâtelet: In genuine migration countries like Canada or New Zealand, I would never say anything like that. There you are a full citizen as soon as you are admitted as a migrant after thorough screening. But the second and third generation in Belgium? How did their parents end up here? It was the mismanagement of the governments at the time, which allowed virtually everyone in without any significant control. It is not only Belgium that is struggling with this. Correcting this mismangement is precisely what determines the political climate in Europe to a large extent. This is also very much the case in Germany.
I'm posting it not only for completeness, but also for you to see the google translation into English!!
Le Vif 30/8/2018
https://www.levif.be/actualite/belgique/roland-duchatelet-les-gens-gagnent-trop-peu-dans-ce-pays/article-normal-884593.html
Roland Duchâtelet: "Les gens gagnent trop peu dans ce pays"
Michel Vandersmissen, Erik Raspoet 30/08/18 à 14:57 - Mise à jour à 16:19 Source: Knack
Certaines tendances de l'islam devraient figurer sur la liste de sectes dangereuses. Et non, son aventure dans le monde du foot n'était pas une franche réussite. L'entrepreneur Roland Duchâtelet n'a pas peur des déclarations fracassantes. "Enseignant, un métier pénible? Une honte."
Il y a quelques jours, l'entrepreneur Roland Duchâtelet figurait encore dans les journaux britanniques, du tabloïd The Sun à l'institut The Times. Le torchon brûlait à nouveau dans son club de foot londonien, le Charlton Athletic. Le club fait des économies et les petits joueurs ne reçoivent plus d'eau en bouteille.
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Roland Duchâtelet: "People earn too little in this country"
Michel Vandersmissen, Erik Raspoet 30/08/18 at 14:57 - Updated at 16:19 Source: Knack
Some trends in Islam should be on the list of dangerous cults. And no, his adventure in the world of football was not a frank success. Entrepreneur Roland Duchâtelet is not afraid of shattering statements. "Teacher, a hard job? A shame.”
A few days ago, the entrepreneur Roland Duchâtelet was still in the British newspapers, tabloid The Sun at The Times Institute. The towel was burning again in his London football club, Charlton Athletic. The club saves money and the little players do not get bottled water anymore
(continues, but you have to sign up to see the rest)
What a tool.
To have UBI, taxes would have to explode. In most European countries and America, only about 50-55% of citizens are active in the workforce. Which means to have UBI, one half of society would have to give up half of what they make to the other half. No one would tolerate that for long. And this is before retirement schemes, healthcare costs, roads, defense. It is unworkable.
I sometimes wonder how the hell he got rich in the first place since he seems to not understand math and logic at the 4th grade level.
His lack of knowledge about football was clearly exposed with his e-mails to Powell about team formations. Whatever you think of Powell as a manager, He was an England International with a long career behind him, and explaining basic formations to him exposed Duchatelet as a fool. I coach a youth football team and I would feel insulted getting a similar e-mail from a parent, so to do it to a professional manager is beyond crass!
It was never about doing a full analysis and taking stock of the issues and opportunities, which there were many at the time of purchase, but to implement the network idea from the word go. The qualifications and knowledge of those that had his ear made it harder and more expensive and his tightness when there were opportunities sealed the deal in terms of his failure. It is no secret that all of his managers felt unsupported, even Fraeye, whether we think they were good or not!
I wish he understood that, rather than blaming everything else. When people make mistakes and understand them, it is easier to be more forgiving. Football is not like any other business - he is right there. What businesses that have been damaged as much as we have been in the last few years have gone up in value? Even though the potential buyers are baulking at Duchatelet's price, the price they are reportedly willing to pay seems more than decent - in honesty, it still feels too much. It works both ways.
I could even respect him if he was open about trying to make the club a success but failing in its implementation. To try and fail is not a crime. But the logical next step is to walk away with regrets or adopt a new approach. His approach is to be defensive about his mistakes and blame everybody else. It is quite pathetic really.
They all finish by 3.30, get every weekend off and have you seen the amount of holidays they get?
Some of them are muslims as well.
Disgraceful.