I think the next part of your experiment needs to be an education in music and why the pop stuff they listen to now is on the whole crap.
Music really has dumbed down now, nothing really original.
Cant believe kids giving the Doors such a low mark has riled me this much!
I'd like to run the inverse experiment on CL - expose our lovely fogey contingent to the hip and happening sounds of the current pop scene, with an average mark out of ten. Say the word and I'll start the thread. Minimum contributing age of 50
Today I played the last of the 130 pieces of music to my tutor group ('Time to say Goodbye') as their GCSEs start next week so they'll be wanting quiet in tutor times! It's been fun monitoring their reactions to music from before they were born and I thought I'd share with you the final list. A few points of interest: - we started this three and a half years ago - I thought they would become more broad-minded with age but I think the opposite happened - the winning song was replayed today (the very first song I played to them) and they scored it again to see if it was still popular - it was. It would have ranked #8 in the charts but the kids aren't all the same ones now and maybe the other songs at the top would have been a little more harshly judged too. I may start it all again in Sept with my new class but I doubt I'll stick in teaching long enough to compile a similarly long list again. Oh and I'm going to surprise the class with cds of our top 20 as leaving presents, if I can.
MUSIC FRIDAY: The Final
Chart
1 A-Ha Take on Me 8.88
2 Tracy Chapman Fast
Car 8.72
3 Queen Don’t
Stop me Now 8.67
4 KC and the Sunshine Band Give
It Up 8.32
5 Marvin Gaye and Tammy Terrell Ain’t No Mountain High Enough 8.31
6 Sam Cooke A Change is Gonna Come 8.21
7 George Michael Careless
Whisper 8.09
8 Earth, Wind and Fire September 8.08
9 Elton
John Your Song 8.05
10 Chuck Berry Johnny
B Goode 7.91
11 John Denver Take
me Home 7.90
Michael Jackson Don’t Stop ‘Til You Get Enough 7.90
13 Cyndi Lauper Girls
Just Wanna Have Fun 7.88
14 ELO Mr
Blue Sky 7.80
15 Minnie Riperton Loving
You 7.64
16 Nat King Cole When
I Fall in Love 7.52
17 Tears for Fears Everybody
Wants to Rule the World 7.48
18 Modjo Lady 7.32
19 The B52s Loveshack 7.27
20 Stevie Wonder Superstition 7.17
21 Simple Minds Don’t
You Forget about Me 7.16
22 Debussy Clair
de Lune 7.11
23 Audrey Hepburn Moon
River 7.07
24 Johnny Cash Hurt 7.00
25 Erasure A
Little Respect 6.99
26 Gene Kelly Good Morning 6.97
James Brown It's a Man's World 6.97
28 Boney M Sunny 6.96
29 Whitney
Houston I’m Every Woman 6.95
30 The Beatles Hello Goodbye 6.85
Rainbow Since
You’ve Been Gone 6.85
The Shirelles Will you Still Love me Tomorrow? 6.85
33 The Gypsy Kings Bamboleo 6.84
34 James Sit
Down 6.83
35 Frankie Valli and the Four Seasons I Love you
Baby 6.81
The results are skewed by the fact that I play the songs through youtube. The volume perhaps wasn't loud enough on 'Light my Fire' and the video was relatively dull as it was a pretty constant mid-shot of Jim Morrison in his car.
Not quite a teenager but I was playing football in the garden with my 8 year old Grandson this evening when he starts singing Mr Blue Sky by ELO at the top of his voice, it sounded really weird.
I then joined in and he looks at me and says "oh, do you know this one Grandad"
Teenage music should only be listened to alone, with headphones in, in your bedroom. Especially anything by The Doors.
As an aside. Light my Fire came on the car radio a few weeks back & Golfie Jnr (who takes a keen interest in all my favourite bands/music) didn't rate it. I told him that it was because he was listening to it on the wrong medium & wrong circumstances. And I told him to wash his mouth out too.
Has this been a Cover to Cover Henry? I can't remember hearing any versions other than The Doors, but I also struggle to imagine how something with Ray Manzarek's organ in it isn't going to be the better version.
Has this been a Cover to Cover Henry? I can't remember hearing any versions other than The Doors, but I also struggle to imagine how something with Ray Manzarek's organ in it isn't going to be the better version.
@stig yes it has and so many people just couldn't see the genius of Jose, including you
Has this been a Cover to Cover Henry? I can't remember hearing any versions other than The Doors, but I also struggle to imagine how something with Ray Manzarek's organ in it isn't going to be the better version.
Cover versions can sometimes be better than originals ...... or just different, in a creative and brilliant way.
But people often forget, or just overlook, the context of the times when the original was released. Some originals were cutting edge of their time; new, exciting - stuff that was groundbreaking.
They were truly original and made their impact because of that.
Ace of Spades 105 - no wonder we think today's kids are soft.
Great and interesting project, Bob.
Sorry about that Algarveaddick. I re-read this thread yesterday and saw you had mentioned rockabilly before but I totally forgot to include it. What would you recommend I play when I start it up again in September?
Has this been a Cover to Cover Henry? I can't remember hearing any versions other than The Doors, but I also struggle to imagine how something with Ray Manzarek's organ in it isn't going to be the better version.
@stig yes it has and so many people just couldn't see the genius of Jose, including you
Ace of Spades 105 - no wonder we think today's kids are soft.
Great and interesting project, Bob.
Sorry about that Algarveaddick. I re-read this thread yesterday and saw you had mentioned rockabilly before but I totally forgot to include it. What would you recommend I play when I start it up again in September?
I will try and keep it mainstream-ish.
Train Kept a Rollin' - Johnny Burnette & the Rock n Roll Trio Domino - Roy Orbison Blue Moon of Kentucky - Elvis Presley
Maybe try a bit of British Rock n Roll on them too?
Growl - Johnny Kidd & the Pirates Turn my back on you - Billy Fury Brand New Cadillac - Vince Taylor & the Playboys
Five years after my last chart, it will soon be time to say goodbye to my current tutor group who have been scoring a range of old music - over 160 tracks so far - which I will post here in a league table in May. In the meantime, here is their final Christmas chart which they have been scoring since Year 7.
1 Wham Last Christmas 9.1 2 Wizzard I Wish it Could be Christmas Every Day 7.8 3 Slade Merry
Christmas Everybody 7.6 4 Brenda Lee Rocking
Around the Christmas Tree 7.4 5 Mariah Carey All
I Want For Christmas 7.3 The Pogues Fairytale
of New York 7.3 Jose Feliciano Feliz
Navidad 7.3 Nat King Cole Christmas
Song 7.3
9 Band Aid Do
They Know it’s Christmas 7.1
10 Darlene Love Christmas
(Baby Please Come Home) 6.5
Andy Williams It’s the
Most Wonderful Time of the Year 6.5
12 Elton John Step
into Christmas 6.4
13 Dean Martin Let
it Snow, Let it Snow, Let it Snow 6.3
14 Peter Auty Walking
in the Air 5.4
Paul McCartney Wonderful
Christmastime 5.4
16 John Lennon and Yoko Ono Happy
Christmas (War is Over) 4.5
17 Jonah Lewie Stop
the Cavalry 3.7
18 Greg Lake I
Believe in Father Christmas 3.6
19 The Ronettes Frosty
the Snowman 3.4
20 Bing Crosby White
Christmas 2.7
21 The Pretenders 2000
Miles 2.5
The top song maybe had an advantage as I had played it on the last day of the Christmas term every year before they headed off on their holidays although with teenagers that may also have prejudiced them against it...as you can see, it did not harm its score.
Suggestions if you are still playing songs to them - tested and approved by grandchildren: Virginia Plain (Roxy Music) We gotta get out of this place (Animals) Paint it black (Rolling Stones) The Actor (Moody Blues) You're not alone any more (Travelling Wilburys) All or nothing (Small Faces)
seriously .. I am always surprised how much so many youngsters (flexible definition) know of the 'classic sounds' and the not so classic ones .. ancient me does wonder how much of today's stuff will still be so well regarded in 50 years or so .. the majority of my favourites were recorded in the dark n distant past
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- we started this three and a half years ago
- I thought they would become more broad-minded with age but I think the opposite happened
- the winning song was replayed today (the very first song I played to them) and they scored it again to see if it was still popular - it was. It would have ranked #8 in the charts but the kids aren't all the same ones now and maybe the other songs at the top would have been a little more harshly judged too.
I may start it all again in Sept with my new class but I doubt I'll stick in teaching long enough to compile a similarly long list again.
Oh and I'm going to surprise the class with cds of our top 20 as leaving presents, if I can.
MUSIC FRIDAY: The Final Chart
1 A-Ha Take on Me 8.88
2 Tracy Chapman Fast Car 8.72
3 Queen Don’t Stop me Now 8.67
4 KC and the Sunshine Band Give It Up 8.32
5 Marvin Gaye and Tammy Terrell Ain’t No Mountain High Enough 8.31
6 Sam Cooke A Change is Gonna Come 8.21
7 George Michael Careless Whisper 8.09
8 Earth, Wind and Fire September 8.08
9 Elton John Your Song 8.05
10 Chuck Berry Johnny B Goode 7.91
11 John Denver Take me Home 7.90
Michael Jackson Don’t Stop ‘Til You Get Enough 7.90
13 Cyndi Lauper Girls Just Wanna Have Fun 7.88
14 ELO Mr Blue Sky 7.80
15 Minnie Riperton Loving You 7.64
16 Nat King Cole When I Fall in Love 7.52
17 Tears for Fears Everybody Wants to Rule the World 7.48
18 Modjo Lady 7.32
19 The B52s Loveshack 7.27
20 Stevie Wonder Superstition 7.17
21 Simple Minds Don’t You Forget about Me 7.16
22 Debussy Clair de Lune 7.11
23 Audrey Hepburn Moon River 7.07
24 Johnny Cash Hurt 7.00
25 Erasure A Little Respect 6.99
26 Gene Kelly Good Morning 6.97
James Brown It's a Man's World 6.97
28 Boney M Sunny 6.96
29 Whitney Houston I’m Every Woman 6.95
30 The Beatles Hello Goodbye 6.85
Rainbow Since You’ve Been Gone 6.85
The Shirelles Will you Still Love me Tomorrow? 6.85
33 The Gypsy Kings Bamboleo 6.84
34 James Sit Down 6.83
35 Frankie Valli and the Four Seasons I Love you Baby 6.81
36 Deacon Blue Real Gone Kid 6.78
37 The Monkees Daydream Believer 6.73
38 Jackie Wilson Reet Petite 6.65
39 Eva Cassidy Fields of Gold 6.45
40 Aretha Franklin Say a Little Prayer 6.40
41 Chris Issak Wicked Game 6.36
42 Elvis Presley The Girl of my Best Friend 6.35
43 The La’s There She Goes 6.33
44 Louis Armstrong We Have All the Time in the World 6.32
45 Tom Jones Delilah 6.29
46 Pink Floyd Another Brick in the Wall 6.25
47 Bob Marley Exodus 6.24
The Bee Gees How Deep is Your Love 6.24
49 Buggles Video Killed the Radio Star 6.20
Frank Sinatra Strangers in the Night 6.20
51 Fleetwood Mac Dreams 6.19
52 Demis Roussos Forever and Ever 6.10
53 Yvonne Ellman If I Can’t have You 6.09
54 Oasis Cast No Shadow 6.06
55 Jimi Hendrix All Along the Watchtower 5.96
56 The Verve Bittersweet Symphony 5.94
57 The Smiths There is a Light that Never Goes Out 5.88
58 The Cure Friday, I’m in Love 5.82
59 Blondie Dreaming 5.77
Dolly Parton Jolene 5.77
61 Andrea Bocelli and Sarah Brightman Time to say Goodbye 5.76
62 The Korgis Everybody’s Gotta Learn Sometime 5.75
63 The Jackson Sisters I Believe 5.72
64 Edith Piaf Non, Je Ne Regrette Rien 5.58
Wham Club Tropicana 5.58
66 Sade Smooth Operator 5.50
67 Don McLean Vincent 5.46
68 Abba Bang-a-Boomerang 5.42
69 David Bowie Space Oddity 5.37
70 Musical Youth Pass the Dutchie 5.33
Cast Walkaway 5.33
72 The Pogues Irish Rover 5.31
73 R.E.M. Losing my Religion 5.30
Dave Brubeck Take Five 5.30
75 Bronski Beat Smalltown Boy 5.25
Crowded House Don’t Dream It’s Over 5.25
77 Stevie Nicks Landslide (Live version) 5.23
78 Madness Embarrassment 5.21
79 P.M. Dawn Set Adrift on Memory Bliss 5.10
80 Blur Parklife 5.07
81 Martha Reeves and the Vandellas Nowhere to Run 5.05
Pucinni Nessun Dorma (by Pavarotti) 5.05
83 Smokey Robinson Tears of a Clown 4.96
Bobby Vinton Blue Velvet 4.96
85 Bruce Springsteen Hungry Heart 4.95
86 Simon and Garfunkel Bridge over Troubled Water 4.91
The Bay City Rollers Bye Bye Baby 4.91
The Cocteau Twins Carolyn’s Fingers 4.91
Mozart Concerto for Flute and Harp KV 299 4.91
90 John Lennon Nobody told Me 4.88
91 Dinah Washington Mad about the Boy 4.85
92 The Rolling Stones Gimme Shelter 4.82
93 The Mamas and the Papas California Dreamin’ 4.73
94 Kate Bush A Woman’s Work 4.71
95 Morrissey Every Day is Like Sunday 4.62
96 The Cranberries Linger 4.58
Nina Simone Mr Bojangles 4.58
98 Herman’s Hermits Something Tells Me 4.55
The Osmonds Love me for a Reason 4.55
Marvin Gaye What’s Going On? 4.55
101 Suzanne Vega The Queen and the Soldier 4.52
102 Echo and the Bunnymen The Killing Moon 4.47
103 Bobby Womack Across 110th Street 4.46
104 Underworld Born Slippy 4.41
105 Motorhead Ace of Spades 4.38
106 Bananarama Cruel Summer 4.36
107 The Three Degrees When Will I See you Again 4.32
108 Puccini O Mio Babbino Caro 4.31
Kyu Sakamoto Sukiyaki 4.30
110 Cilla Black Anyone who had a Heart 4.20
111 The Jam Going Underground 4.17
112 Madonna Cherish 4.10
113 The Waterboys The Whole of the Moon 4.05
114 Led Zeppelin Babe I’m Gonna Leave you 3.81
115 Suede Trash 3,80
116 Yes Owner of a Lonely Heart 3.76
117 Tasmin Archer Sleeping Satellite 3.71
118 Henry Mancini Lujon 3.67
119 The Cult Love Removal Machine 3.58
120 Vanessa Paradis Joe Le Taxi 3.55
121 Prefab Sprout When Love Breaks Down 3.47
122 Peter Gabriel Solsbury Hill 3.42
123 Billy Idol Eyes Without a Face 3.12
124 U2 New Year’s Day 3.00
Haircut 100 Fantastic Day 3.00
126 Bjork Big Time Sensuality 2.85
The Sugarcubes Birthday 2.85
128 Lemon Jelly Nice Weather for Ducks 2.84
129 The Sex Pistols Anarchy in the UK 2.62
130 The Doors Light my Fire 2.55
Wonderfully eclectic list.
Good to see some soul music.
Really interesting project @captainbob well done.
I then joined in and he looks at me and says "oh, do you know this one Grandad"
Kids eh!
Ace of Spades 105 - no wonder we think today's kids are soft.
Great and interesting project, Bob.
As an aside. Light my Fire came on the car radio a few weeks back & Golfie Jnr (who takes a keen interest in all my favourite bands/music) didn't rate it. I told him that it was because he was listening to it on the wrong medium & wrong circumstances. And I told him to wash his mouth out too.
http://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/78334/cover-to-cover-light-my-fire/p1
But people often forget, or just overlook, the context of the times when the original was released.
Some originals were cutting edge of their time; new, exciting - stuff that was groundbreaking.
They were truly original and made their impact because of that.
How the kids react will instantly weed out the troublemakers
Train Kept a Rollin' - Johnny Burnette & the Rock n Roll Trio
Domino - Roy Orbison
Blue Moon of Kentucky - Elvis Presley
Maybe try a bit of British Rock n Roll on them too?
Growl - Johnny Kidd & the Pirates
Turn my back on you - Billy Fury
Brand New Cadillac - Vince Taylor & the Playboys
1 Wham Last Christmas 9.1
2 Wizzard I Wish it Could be Christmas Every Day 7.8
3 Slade Merry Christmas Everybody 7.6
4 Brenda Lee Rocking Around the Christmas Tree 7.4
5 Mariah Carey All I Want For Christmas 7.3
The Pogues Fairytale of New York 7.3
Jose Feliciano Feliz Navidad 7.3
Nat King Cole Christmas Song 7.3
9 Band Aid Do They Know it’s Christmas 7.1
10 Darlene Love Christmas (Baby Please Come Home) 6.5
Andy Williams It’s the Most Wonderful Time of the Year 6.5
12 Elton John Step into Christmas 6.4
13 Dean Martin Let it Snow, Let it Snow, Let it Snow 6.3
14 Peter Auty Walking in the Air 5.4
Paul McCartney Wonderful Christmastime 5.4
16 John Lennon and Yoko Ono Happy Christmas (War is Over) 4.5
17 Jonah Lewie Stop the Cavalry 3.7
18 Greg Lake I Believe in Father Christmas 3.6
19 The Ronettes Frosty the Snowman 3.4
20 Bing Crosby White Christmas 2.7
21 The Pretenders 2000 Miles 2.5
The top song maybe had an advantage as I had played it on the last day of the Christmas term every year before they headed off on their holidays although with teenagers that may also have prejudiced them against it...as you can see, it did not harm its score.
Virginia Plain (Roxy Music)
We gotta get out of this place (Animals)
Paint it black (Rolling Stones)
The Actor (Moody Blues)
You're not alone any more (Travelling Wilburys)
All or nothing (Small Faces)
never seen this thread before