On form Woods was rightly picked. He also seems more humble this time around. However he is an individual and not a team player. Also not a leader. Michelson was a wasted pick and totally out of form.
On form Woods was rightly picked. He also seems more humble this time around. However he is an individual and not a team player. Also not a leader. Michelson was a wasted pick and totally out of form.
Yes, you’re right about Woods. It would’ve been hard for Furyk to justify not picking him, but his Ryder Cup record speaks for itself.
On form Woods was rightly picked. He also seems more humble this time around. However he is an individual and not a team player. Also not a leader. Michelson was a wasted pick and totally out of form.
Yes, you’re right about Woods. It would’ve been hard for Furyk to justify not picking him, but his Ryder Cup record speaks for itself.
I think it's an issue with the American mentality. They hear the word 'team' and say they understand it, but they haven't a clue what it really means. The European team are basically a family.
On form Woods was rightly picked. He also seems more humble this time around. However he is an individual and not a team player. Also not a leader. Michelson was a wasted pick and totally out of form.
Yes, you’re right about Woods. It would’ve been hard for Furyk to justify not picking him, but his Ryder Cup record speaks for itself.
I think it's an issue with the American mentality. They hear the word 'team' and say they understand it, but they haven't a clue what it really means. The European team are basically a family.
I wonder if we might see a shift in this respect in the next few years - American TV has made quite a big deal about how important the Ryder Cup is to the European players and they’ve attributed a lot of the success to that. I think there might be a movement in American golf to raise the importance of it in American minds.
On form Woods was rightly picked. He also seems more humble this time around. However he is an individual and not a team player. Also not a leader. Michelson was a wasted pick and totally out of form.
Yes, you’re right about Woods. It would’ve been hard for Furyk to justify not picking him, but his Ryder Cup record speaks for itself.
I think it's an issue with the American mentality. They hear the word 'team' and say they understand it, but they haven't a clue what it really means. The European team are basically a family.
I wonder if we might see a shift in this respect in the next few years - American TV has made quite a big deal about how important the Ryder Cup is to the European players and they’ve attributed a lot of the success to that. I think there might be a movement in American golf to raise the importance of it in American minds.
Is it decause of the career path being so different? The US is still university based, 11 of their players went to uni.
Also our top players play quite a bit in America, I assume when you first start going there you travel with people you know, presumably other Europeans?
Outside the ryder cup how much time do the Americans ever spend time together off the course?
What a performance from Europe. However, it was as much lost by he USA as it was won by us.
The Americans are a bunch of individuals brought together with too many are driven by their egos. It must be hard for some of them to appreciate it when his partner makes him play from the rough! The fact that, over the years, their respective captains have had to keep certain individuals apart in pairings rather says it all.
The other aspect is that the Americans didn't prepare. Only one of their players played the course this year prior to arriving here and you can't be competitive if you haven't grasped when it is the right time is to play the percentages.
That said, I thought that some of the Americans handled themselves well in defeat. Seeing Jordan Spieth mixing with the European players and laughing at the reaction to Noren sinking that final putt shows that he does appreciate a fellow golfer's success - and still be a winner himself even if it doesn't happen to be today.
I don't think USA have to be THAT concerned, like 2016 Whistling Straits will be long and open and suit all their bombers. Rahm and Rory were similarly not quite themselves this week. The course (rightly) tested players in different ways to a standard PGA Tour stop.
The British Masters is pretty local in 11 days, Walton Heath in Surrey. Molinari, Fleetwood, Rose & Oleson will be there, should be a good day out for anyone interested.
Great performance from the team. Hopefully though that's the last we'll see of the European flag till the next Ryder Cup.
How many GB and NI players will there be in the next Ryder Cup? Maybe Theresa disMay will be able to negotiate their entry, unless the EU will feel they’re stronger without us?
I didn't realise that David Livingstone is retiring - Butch Harman and Nick Dougherty were both quite emotional when they talked about broadcasting with him and how how would be missed.
I don't think USA have to be THAT concerned, like 2016 Whistling Straits will be long and open and suit all their bombers. Rahm and Rory were similarly not quite themselves this week. The course (rightly) tested players in different ways to a standard PGA Tour stop.
The British Masters is pretty local in 11 days, Walton Heath in Surrey. Molinari, Fleetwood, Rose & Oleson will be there, should be a good day out for anyone interested.
Great course(s). I've played the both.The Old is obviously the better one......just keep out of the heather.
What a performance from Europe. However, it was as much lost by he USA as it was won by us.
The Americans are a bunch of individuals brought together with too many are driven by their egos. It must be hard for some of them to appreciate it when his partner makes him play from the rough! The fact that, over the years, their respective captains have had to keep certain individuals apart in pairings rather says it all.
The other aspect is that the Americans didn't prepare. Only one of their players played the course this year prior to arriving here and you can't be competitive if you haven't grasped when it is the right time is to play the percentages.
That said, I thought that some of the Americans handled themselves well in defeat. Seeing Jordan Spieth mixing with the European players and laughing at the reaction to Noren sinking that final putt shows that he does appreciate a fellow golfer's success - and still be a winner himself even if it doesn't happen to be today.
Yeah that has long been the perception of the US team here as well. And growing up playing golf (don't play anymore), and knowing the type of kid who gets good at golf in this country--including my brother who was offered golf scholarships at uni but turned them down, it doesn't surprise me. It requires a very cutthroat, blinkered level of individualism, which a lot of sports do, particularly individual sports. But golf is something else. And I think that's just hard to turn off.
Contrast that with the European team, some of whom I've been watching for two decades now (I feel old), and they always give off the impression of being decent, down to earth human beings who genuinely enjoy each others company.
Last point, to an earlier discussion, I've never been able to stand Phil. Always thought he came across as a petulant shit.
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I think there might be a movement in American golf to raise the importance of it in American minds.
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17.5-10.5
Also our top players play quite a bit in America, I assume when you first start going there you travel with people you know, presumably other Europeans?
Outside the ryder cup how much time do the Americans ever spend time together off the course?
I wouldnt worry about after Brexit we will all have died of starvation apparently
The Americans are a bunch of individuals brought together with too many are driven by their egos. It must be hard for some of them to appreciate it when his partner makes him play from the rough! The fact that, over the years, their respective captains have had to keep certain individuals apart in pairings rather says it all.
The other aspect is that the Americans didn't prepare. Only one of their players played the course this year prior to arriving here and you can't be competitive if you haven't grasped when it is the right time is to play the percentages.
That said, I thought that some of the Americans handled themselves well in defeat. Seeing Jordan Spieth mixing with the European players and laughing at the reaction to Noren sinking that final putt shows that he does appreciate a fellow golfer's success - and still be a winner himself even if it doesn't happen to be today.
Then we can spank them again
The British Masters is pretty local in 11 days, Walton Heath in Surrey. Molinari, Fleetwood, Rose & Oleson will be there, should be a good day out for anyone interested.
Contrast that with the European team, some of whom I've been watching for two decades now (I feel old), and they always give off the impression of being decent, down to earth human beings who genuinely enjoy each others company.
Last point, to an earlier discussion, I've never been able to stand Phil. Always thought he came across as a petulant shit.
His biggest problem was being paired with Woods.