Terrorist sympathising anti-semite Corbyn wants (amongst many other crazy things):
A united Ireland Disbandment of the British armed forces Open, uncontrolled borders Gibraltar to be given to Spain The British Falkland Islands to be handed over to Argentina To print £1 Trillion to give to people that can't be bothered to work
I'm not a fan of our current Government, but with him in charge there would be riots on the streets within 6 weeks.
Does he have a view on the Elgin Marbles do you know?
Terrorist sympathising anti-semite Corbyn wants (amongst many other crazy things):
A united Ireland Disbandment of the British armed forces Open, uncontrolled borders Gibraltar to be given to Spain The British Falkland Islands to be handed over to Argentina To print £1 Trillion to give to people that can't be bothered to work
I'm not a fan of our current Government, but with him in charge there would be riots on the streets within 6 weeks.
Does he have a view on the Elgin Marbles do you know?
Very good point. Forgot about that one. Yes, he'd like to send them to Greece.
Terrorist sympathising anti-semite Corbyn wants (amongst many other crazy things):
A united Ireland Disbandment of the British armed forces Open, uncontrolled borders Gibraltar to be given to Spain The British Falkland Islands to be handed over to Argentina To print £1 Trillion to give to people that can't be bothered to work
I'm not a fan of our current Government, but with him in charge there would be riots on the streets within 6 weeks.
In the words of Alan Sugar (as mush as I'm not a fan of his either) - "Letting Cornyn run the country would be like giving the Mother in law the keys to the new Ferrari"
Terrorist sympathising anti-semite Corbyn wants (amongst many other crazy things):
A united Ireland Disbandment of the British armed forces Open, uncontrolled borders Gibraltar to be given to Spain The British Falkland Islands to be handed over to Argentina To print £1 Trillion to give to people that can't be bothered to work
I'm not a fan of our current Government, but with him in charge there would be riots on the streets within 6 weeks.
Does he have a view on the Elgin Marbles do you know?
don't like him, believe a lot of his ideas are from the magic money tree and as for one of his parties senior politicians abbot could be anywhere near government really frightens me.
his ideas and party are just far too left wing and his ideas are not feasible, the labour party was a working mans party a lot of these voters have gone over to tories.
i don't hate may and do think she gets a of stick being a woman and her background, don't really like the Tories they are just the best of a bad bunch.
We can get on to the links with dictatorships and overseas terrorists later.
For a man who's only goal is to reach out in the name of peace it does seem that he's quite selective when it comes to the marches, campaigns, and organisations that he affiliates with.
Like most politicians, (with some, very few notable exceptions), a shower of shite, in it for themselves or some noble cause not shared by many others and not understood by most. I'd rather watch X Factor or Supermarket Dash repeats than listen to them
We can get on to the links with dictatorships and overseas terrorists later.
For a man who's only goal is to reach out in the name of peace it does seem that he's quite selective when it comes to the marches, campaigns, and organisations that he affiliates with.
If he'd hosted the IRA AND Loyalist terrorists or even Sein Fien and the DUP the "seeking peace so have to speak to the fighters" argument might hold water but as you rightly say it is very one sided.
Evidence 1. Corbyn hosts terrorist in the house of commons and is rebuked by his own party for doing so.
"Donald Dewar, the Labour Chief Whip, read the riot act individually to three Labour MPs - Ken Livingstone, Jeremy Corbyn, and Alan Simpson - in his room off the members' lobby.
The Chief Whip said it was a matter of some sensitivity. It had been drawn to his attention the MPs had put the House at some considerable and unacceptable risk.
A Labour source said: "He had been informed by the security services that people with Mitchell McLaughlin were directly involved with the IRA or connected with the IRA. He said this House had been the target in the past and could well be in the present and the future."
- What does "directly involved with the IRA or connected with the IRA" mean? This is pretty wishy-washy. The second caveat - "connected with" - is particularly useful as it covers all bases. I'm "connected" with the Pope, insofar as one side of my family is Catholic, and the Pope is the head of the Catholic religion.
- The security services took the precaution of denying that they'd contacted Labour! THIS IS MENTIONED IN THE ARTICLE. I understand selectively quoting to further your own agenda but come on, this is ham-fisted in the extreme. It's literally taken me one click to contextualise and therefore question the final paragraph you've quoted.
- This is within the context of the Irish peace process. You'd be going apoplectic if you knew that Martin McGuinness was ever involved, and to what extent. (Possibly a bad example as you may feel very strongly about that, which is of course very understandable.)
We can get on to the links with dictatorships and overseas terrorists later.
For a man who's only goal is to reach out in the name of peace it does seem that he's quite selective when it comes to the marches, campaigns, and organisations that he affiliates with.
If he'd hosted the IRA AND Loyalist terrorists or even Sein Fien and the DUP the "seeking peace so have to speak to the fighters" argument might hold water but as you rightly say it is very one sided.
His supporters paint him as an honest broker and a man of principle which is ridiculous. I'd have more respect for them (and Corbyn himself) if they/he just stated he was an anti-British, anti-American, anti-Israeli and anti-Capitalist ideologue who supports any organisation which aligns with his core beliefs.
Evidence 2. Corbyn takes part in a minute's silence for terrorists,
At an Irish Republican event in 1987, Corbyn took part in a minute's silence to commemorate eight IRA men shot dead by the SAS as they travelled to attack a police station in County Armagh. 'I'm happy to commemorate all those who died fighting for an independent Ireland,' he said.
- The Mail might just have an anti-Corbyn agenda. I say this before reading the article.
- This was thirty years ago. Change is possible in that time, surely?
- This article is too long for me to refute every single claim individually, but I find the following particularly egregious:
"Following the terror attacks in Paris in 2015, Corbyn said he opposed police being allowed to shoot terror suspects, saying he's 'not happy with the shoot-to-kill policy in general'."
Hang on. This is a bit of a false equivalence/straw man and recontextualises his words to fit the Mail's agenda.
"That this House is appalled that a North London synagogue has been daubed with racist graffiti; expresses its sympathy to the members; condemns any attacks on places of worship of any religion; and calls for respect and tolerance of all faiths."
"That this House condemns the terrorist, anti-Semitic attacks on the two Istanbul synagogues 'Oasis of Peace' and 'Beth Israel' killing 25 people and injuring over 300; also condemns the arson attack which destroyed a Jewish school near Paris on the same morning; notes that these attacks were preceded by deadly anti-Semitic terrorist attacks on synagogues and Jewish community centres in Casablanca and Tunisia; recalls the description of Jews by German MP Martin Hohman as 'guilty people' and a 'nation of perpetrators'; records the anti-Semitic speech of the outgoing Malaysian Prime Minister; recognises that the last three years have seen a dramatic increase in anti-Semitic incidents against the UK Jewish community and the rise in support for the BNP; notes that there is no conflict between Judaism, Islam and Christianity; rejects those who cynically exploit differences of opinion over Israel and Palestine to promote anti-semitism; and calls upon the Government to institute a zero tolerance policy to combat anti-Semitism, Islamophobia and racism in all its forms by raising the issue at the UN and in Europe and encouraging firm action by the police and the Crown Prosecution Service. "
"That this House is concerned that the small number of remaining Jews living in Yemen are facing ongoing religious persecution and systematic mistreatment which represents a critical threat to the health, safety and security of their community; notes that the United States administration has facilitated the resettlement of Yemeni Jews in the US for those with ties to that country; and urges the Government to follow this example and consider providing specific measures for those members of the group with ties to the UK who urgently need protection on humanitarian grounds."
(Diane Abbott was the primary signatory!)
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Don't get me wrong, I still think anti-Semitism is a MASSIVE problem in the Labour party, but there's nuance to this discussion, rather than a simple - to quote yourself, HI - "the anti-Semitism apologist and friend of terrorists can fuck off".
Terrorist sympathising anti-semite Corbyn wants (amongst many other crazy things):
A united Ireland Disbandment of the British armed forces Open, uncontrolled borders Gibraltar to be given to Spain The British Falkland Islands to be handed over to Argentina To print £1 Trillion to give to people that can't be bothered to work
I'm not a fan of our current Government, but with him in charge there would be riots on the streets within 6 weeks.
Evidence 2. Corbyn takes part in a minute's silence for terrorists,
At an Irish Republican event in 1987, Corbyn took part in a minute's silence to commemorate eight IRA men shot dead by the SAS as they travelled to attack a police station in County Armagh. 'I'm happy to commemorate all those who died fighting for an independent Ireland,' he said.
- The Mail might just have an anti-Corbyn agenda. I say this before reading the article. Yes, doesn't make what it say automatically untrue
- This was thirty years ago. Change is possible in that time, surely? Any evidence that Corbyn has changed his stance
- This article is too long for me to refute every single claim individually, but I find the following particularly egregious: Too long?
"Following the terror attacks in Paris in 2015, Corbyn said he opposed police being allowed to shoot terror suspects, saying he's 'not happy with the shoot-to-kill policy in general'."Separate bit of evidence against Corbyn but doesn't invalidate the evidence.
Hang on. This is a bit of a false equivalence/straw man and recontextualises his words to fit the Mail's agenda.
Well done for at least having a go rather than just dismissing it all by saying "you're obsessed".
@Henry Irving I would still like to point out that you have many completely valid concerns re Corbyn and general anti-Semitism in the Labour Party that I share (as I've said before, I'll be voting Green until a leadership change), and I absolutely respect your views.
It’s not so much him that gets my blood boiling, but more so his ardent supporters - particularly the vicious ones who will spit blood at anyone who dares to suggest the sun doesn’t shine out of his arse.
@Henry Irving I would still like to point out that you have many completely valid concerns re Corbyn and general anti-Semitism in the Labour Party that I share (as I've said before, I'll be voting Green until a leadership change), and I absolutely respect your views.
@Henry Irving I would still like to point out that you have many completely valid concerns re Corbyn and general anti-Semitism in the Labour Party that I share (as I've said before, I'll be voting Green until a leadership change), and I absolutely respect your views.
I'd say that he's an imperfect solution to an enormous problem, and that he's not quite the right man, but he is at the right time. I'm also a Green voter and if Queen Caroline was Labour leader they'd probably be in power right now
Adopts a spend spend spend mentality which is unsustainable.
5 years later, with the country on its knees, the tories come in
Everyone blames the tories for necessary cuts
It takes them 10 years to repair the damage.
It's the circle of political life.
Exactly my view if he were ever elected and pray it never happens. Despite the woes of the Tories he really struggles to land a meaningful punch on May during PM's questions.
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Adopts a spend spend spend mentality
which is unsustainable.
5 years later, with the country on its knees, the tories come in
Everyone blames the tories for necessary cuts
It takes them 10 years to repair the damage.
It's the circle of political life.
his ideas and party are just far too left wing and his ideas are not feasible, the labour party was a working mans party a lot of these voters have gone over to tories.
i don't hate may and do think she gets a of stick being a woman and her background, don't really like the Tories they are just the best of a bad bunch.
I'd rather watch X Factor or Supermarket Dash repeats than listen to them
- What does "directly involved with the IRA or connected with the IRA" mean? This is pretty wishy-washy. The second caveat - "connected with" - is particularly useful as it covers all bases. I'm "connected" with the Pope, insofar as one side of my family is Catholic, and the Pope is the head of the Catholic religion.
- The security services took the precaution of denying that they'd contacted Labour! THIS IS MENTIONED IN THE ARTICLE. I understand selectively quoting to further your own agenda but come on, this is ham-fisted in the extreme. It's literally taken me one click to contextualise and therefore question the final paragraph you've quoted.
- This is within the context of the Irish peace process. You'd be going apoplectic if you knew that Martin McGuinness was ever involved, and to what extent. (Possibly a bad example as you may feel very strongly about that, which is of course very understandable.)
- The Mail might just have an anti-Corbyn agenda. I say this before reading the article.
- This was thirty years ago. Change is possible in that time, surely?
- This article is too long for me to refute every single claim individually, but I find the following particularly egregious:
"Following the terror attacks in Paris in 2015, Corbyn said he opposed police being allowed to shoot terror suspects, saying he's 'not happy with the shoot-to-kill policy in general'."
Hang on. This is a bit of a false equivalence/straw man and recontextualises his words to fit the Mail's agenda.
- https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/20373
"That this House is appalled that a North London synagogue has been daubed with racist graffiti; expresses its sympathy to the members; condemns any attacks on places of worship of any religion; and calls for respect and tolerance of all faiths."
- https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/26545
"That this House condemns the terrorist, anti-Semitic attacks on the two Istanbul synagogues 'Oasis of Peace' and 'Beth Israel' killing 25 people and injuring over 300; also condemns the arson attack which destroyed a Jewish school near Paris on the same morning; notes that these attacks were preceded by deadly anti-Semitic terrorist attacks on synagogues and Jewish community centres in Casablanca and Tunisia; recalls the description of Jews by German MP Martin Hohman as 'guilty people' and a 'nation of perpetrators'; records the anti-Semitic speech of the outgoing Malaysian Prime Minister; recognises that the last three years have seen a dramatic increase in anti-Semitic incidents against the UK Jewish community and the rise in support for the BNP; notes that there is no conflict between Judaism, Islam and Christianity; rejects those who cynically exploit differences of opinion over Israel and Palestine to promote anti-semitism; and calls upon the Government to institute a zero tolerance policy to combat anti-Semitism, Islamophobia and racism in all its forms by raising the issue at the UN and in Europe and encouraging firm action by the police and the Crown Prosecution Service.
"
- https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/40500
"That this House is concerned that the small number of remaining Jews living in Yemen are facing ongoing religious persecution and systematic mistreatment which represents a critical threat to the health, safety and security of their community; notes that the United States administration has facilitated the resettlement of Yemeni Jews in the US for those with ties to that country; and urges the Government to follow this example and consider providing specific measures for those members of the group with ties to the UK who urgently need protection on humanitarian grounds."
(Diane Abbott was the primary signatory!)
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Don't get me wrong, I still think anti-Semitism is a MASSIVE problem in the Labour party, but there's nuance to this discussion, rather than a simple - to quote yourself, HI - "the anti-Semitism apologist and friend of terrorists can fuck off".