Not intended to be insulting to a person's life here, but what happens in terms of the money Cardiff just spent on him, especially seeing as he hasn't kicked a ball in anger for them yet? Must be completely uncharted territory in that respect.
Fingers and toes crossed they find them alive, but you suspect it's already too late
I imagine he's insured by Cardiff. Horrible way to think but it crossed my mind as well.
Would be surprised if insurance didn’t have exclusions for the likes of flying in a highly risky two seater aeroplane (in the same way as they wouldn’t insure against injury/death from say winter sports etc.)
That plane is certainly NOT considered a highly risky aircraft....why do you think it is?
A typical travel insurance policy would not cover private small aircraft flights, only organised/chartered ones (and even then not as the pilot). I doubt a life insurance policy is any different unless specifically underwritten and paid for accordingly.
What are the relative death rates per passenger mile of commercial jet aircraft vs light aircraft? I can find data suggesting the latter has a 50x higher accident rate per mile flown (not even adjusted for relative passenger numbers).
Indeed in 2017 (albeit not 2018 sadly) there were ZERO deaths on commercial jet aircraft globally as the result of mechanical/pilot error.
Total rubbish. Having advised & sold hundreds of life assurance policies over a 28 year career I can categorically state that there are no exclusisions whatsoever to do with flights in light aircraft. Furthermore, even pilots of said aircraft can be insured without any problems as I've sold some. No special policy or underwriting required.
Not intended to be insulting to a person's life here, but what happens in terms of the money Cardiff just spent on him, especially seeing as he hasn't kicked a ball in anger for them yet? Must be completely uncharted territory in that respect.
Fingers and toes crossed they find them alive, but you suspect it's already too late
I imagine he's insured by Cardiff. Horrible way to think but it crossed my mind as well.
Would be surprised if insurance didn’t have exclusions for the likes of flying in a highly risky two seater aeroplane (in the same way as they wouldn’t insure against injury/death from say winter sports etc.)
That plane is certainly NOT considered a highly risky aircraft....why do you think it is?
A typical travel insurance policy would not cover private small aircraft flights, only organised/chartered ones (and even then not as the pilot). I doubt a life insurance policy is any different unless specifically underwritten and paid for accordingly.
What are the relative death rates per passenger mile of commercial jet aircraft vs light aircraft? I can find data suggesting the latter has a 50x higher accident rate per mile flown (not even adjusted for relative passenger numbers).
Indeed in 2017 (albeit not 2018 sadly) there were ZERO deaths on commercial jet aircraft globally as the result of mechanical/pilot error.
Total rubbish. Having advised & sold hundreds of life assurance policies over a 28 year career I can categorically state that there are no exclusisions whatsoever to do with flights in light aircraft. Furthermore, even pilots of said aircraft can be insured without any problems as I've sold some. No special policy or underwriting required.
Is auto-erotic asphyxiation excluded? Asking for a friend.
Argentine media has apparently released some whatsapp voice messages he sent to his friends.
"I’m here on a plane that looks like it’s about to fall apart, and I’m going to Cardiff, crazy, tomorrow we already start, and in the afternoon we start training, boys, in my new team."
A later message from the striker said: "How are you guys, all good? If you do not have any more news from in an hour and a half, I don’t know if they need to send someone to find me... I am getting scared!"
Not intended to be insulting to a person's life here, but what happens in terms of the money Cardiff just spent on him, especially seeing as he hasn't kicked a ball in anger for them yet? Must be completely uncharted territory in that respect.
Fingers and toes crossed they find them alive, but you suspect it's already too late
I imagine he's insured by Cardiff. Horrible way to think but it crossed my mind as well.
Would be surprised if insurance didn’t have exclusions for the likes of flying in a highly risky two seater aeroplane (in the same way as they wouldn’t insure against injury/death from say winter sports etc.)
That plane is certainly NOT considered a highly risky aircraft....why do you think it is?
A typical travel insurance policy would not cover private small aircraft flights, only organised/chartered ones (and even then not as the pilot). I doubt a life insurance policy is any different unless specifically underwritten and paid for accordingly.
What are the relative death rates per passenger mile of commercial jet aircraft vs light aircraft? I can find data suggesting the latter has a 50x higher accident rate per mile flown (not even adjusted for relative passenger numbers).
Indeed in 2017 (albeit not 2018 sadly) there were ZERO deaths on commercial jet aircraft globally as the result of mechanical/pilot error.
Total rubbish. Having advised & sold hundreds of life assurance policies over a 28 year career I can categorically state that there are no exclusisions whatsoever to do with flights in light aircraft. Furthermore, even pilots of said aircraft can be insured without any problems as I've sold some. No special policy or underwriting required.
Is auto-erotic asphyxiation excluded? Asking for a friend.
Not intended to be insulting to a person's life here, but what happens in terms of the money Cardiff just spent on him, especially seeing as he hasn't kicked a ball in anger for them yet? Must be completely uncharted territory in that respect.
Fingers and toes crossed they find them alive, but you suspect it's already too late
I imagine he's insured by Cardiff. Horrible way to think but it crossed my mind as well.
Would be surprised if insurance didn’t have exclusions for the likes of flying in a highly risky two seater aeroplane (in the same way as they wouldn’t insure against injury/death from say winter sports etc.)
That plane is certainly NOT considered a highly risky aircraft....why do you think it is?
A typical travel insurance policy would not cover private small aircraft flights, only organised/chartered ones (and even then not as the pilot). I doubt a life insurance policy is any different unless specifically underwritten and paid for accordingly.
What are the relative death rates per passenger mile of commercial jet aircraft vs light aircraft? I can find data suggesting the latter has a 50x higher accident rate per mile flown (not even adjusted for relative passenger numbers).
Indeed in 2017 (albeit not 2018 sadly) there were ZERO deaths on commercial jet aircraft globally as the result of mechanical/pilot error.
Total rubbish. Having advised & sold hundreds of life assurance policies over a 28 year career I can categorically state that there are no exclusisions whatsoever to do with flights in light aircraft. Furthermore, even pilots of said aircraft can be insured without any problems as I've sold some. No special policy or underwriting required.
Let’s hope they all filled out the applications truthfully and accurately then!
What is the safety record of these planes? Very sad story.
Frequent engine failure issues in the 80s till the stress issues were found on the engines then guidelines were put in place to avoid putting stress on them. Since then they have been mostly reliable
As WhatsApp stops working in a tunnel on a train would it work flying over the sea ?
Depends if he's got signal... A Piper wont go anywhere near as high as an Airbus or Boeing so will probably be within range
Only reason it stops working in a tunnel is because you effectively go underground
It would have some sort of WiFi, I have been fortunate to have flown in, and flown a lot of small single engine aircraft and all the pilots use iPads to navigate now relying on a signal like WiFi.
Of course they have the planes instrumentation at their disposal as well but nowadays this is more of a back up as an iPad offers so much more in modern technology than opposed to what an old plane has installed.
you can only fly direct from nantes to the uk into gatwick with easyjet - may be the reason why it was a small plane chosen, i have been in one of these light aircraft before and that was for 30 mins a neighbour used to have one in rochester airport did not like it at all, the only other smallish plane i have been on was last summer a flybe regional to derry airport 28 seats and that was pretty bumpy in the middle of summer
The professional pilots forum is, as always, grimly fascinating and very instructive, including on the life insurance question.
Not that I am pretending to understand half of it...
Some key points on there.
"Just put the fact that Mr Sala was a £15m signing to one side for a moment, I wonder who on this board would allow a loved one to fly across the channel in an unknown 35 year old single-engine piston a/c, in winter, at night with no mode c using the services of a part-time pilot?"
"However the big question is how a £15 million football star found himself being flown by from Nantes to Cardiff by a gas engineer and part time pilot in a single piston engined aircraft at night."
We have looked into this quite thoroughly and it is quite evident that Cardiff has the responsibility to offer the player to make arrangements [for travel], which will be commercial flights," Dalman told Sky Sports News.
"That would have meant taking the train from Nantes to Paris, then Paris to Heathrow, then drive down [to Cardiff].
"The player's reaction to that was that he wanted to make his own arrangements which would be much quicker."
I think this was just a tragic accident. Trying to put the blame on anyone is pointless
Not if it means preventing it happening again. If the certification/procédures/worthiness are at fault then someone/something needs to be blamed to ensure things are changed - if we all sit back and wipe our hands and say bad luck, then this type of thing will happen again.
I think this was just a tragic accident. Trying to put the blame on anyone is pointless
If there were a tragic fire incident I would pay special attention to your expertise in the matter.
Equally, it's always good in the case of tragic air accidents to pay attention to those whose livelihoods depend on minimising tragic accidents, which is done by establishing the facts and learning from them.
Many of the pilots themselves are making the general point that the facts are still to be established. However I regularly read them when such accidents occur, and I have rarely seen so many of them so openly angry as the facts emerge.
Well worth reading that thread, not least to learn what to ask yourself before making a journey in a light aircraft.
Pilot apparently said he was ‘a little rusty’ on FB. Said he wasn’t up to date with the landing procedure of the plane? Just sounds like little things have all come together to just make one big f**k up. Awful.
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"I’m here on a plane that looks like it’s about to fall apart, and I’m going to Cardiff, crazy, tomorrow we already start, and in the afternoon we start training, boys, in my new team."
A later message from the striker said: "How are you guys, all good? If you do not have any more news from in an hour and a half, I don’t know if they need to send someone to find me... I am getting scared!"
Only reason it stops working in a tunnel is because you effectively go underground
Of course they have the planes instrumentation at their disposal as well but nowadays this is more of a back up as an iPad offers so much more in modern technology than opposed to what an old plane has installed.
Not that I am pretending to understand half of it...
Hope he’s ok, terrible for his family and friends.
Personally don’t care about Cardiff.
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11704/11615379/emiliano-sala-plane-search-recovery-not-rescue-operation
That said, and I haven't looked at the pilots forum, this could be nothing to do with him. But still.
"Just put the fact that Mr Sala was a £15m signing to one side for a moment, I wonder who on this board would allow a loved one to fly across the channel in an unknown 35 year old single-engine piston a/c, in winter, at night with no mode c using the services of a part-time pilot?"
"However the big question is how a £15 million football star found himself being flown by from Nantes to Cardiff by a gas engineer and part time pilot in a single piston engined aircraft at night."
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11704/11615826/emiliano-sala-declined-cardiff-city-travel-offer-says-chairman-mehmet-dalman
We have looked into this quite thoroughly and it is quite evident that Cardiff has the responsibility to offer the player to make arrangements [for travel], which will be commercial flights," Dalman told Sky Sports News.
"That would have meant taking the train from Nantes to Paris, then Paris to Heathrow, then drive down [to Cardiff].
"The player's reaction to that was that he wanted to make his own arrangements which would be much quicker."
Trying to put the blame on anyone is pointless
If the certification/procédures/worthiness are at fault then someone/something needs to be blamed to ensure things are changed - if we all sit back and wipe our hands and say bad luck, then this type of thing will happen again.
Equally, it's always good in the case of tragic air accidents to pay attention to those whose livelihoods depend on minimising tragic accidents, which is done by establishing the facts and learning from them.
Many of the pilots themselves are making the general point that the facts are still to be established. However I regularly read them when such accidents occur, and I have rarely seen so many of them so openly angry as the facts emerge.
Well worth reading that thread, not least to learn what to ask yourself before making a journey in a light aircraft.
Said he wasn’t up to date with the landing procedure of the plane?
Just sounds like little things have all come together to just make one big f**k up.
Awful.