Jamie Vardy was offered 120k to go to Arsenal a couple of seasons ago. Leicester then offered him 100k to stay.
Jamie was playing every week at Leicester and getting his adrenaline rush. If he moved to Arsenal he would rotate with the other forwards. 100k to 120k doesn't change your affulence life style plus he had already won the Premier title and they want to make a Hollywood film about his rise from the non League to title winner, more dosh.
Say Grant was on 3k, the ITK folk said 6K was on offer at Cafc. Grant was offered 20K with a 3 and a half year contract and a chance to tell his grand children he played games in the Premiership. (Before playing in the Championship for the rest of his career most likely)
Loyalty doesn't come into it for a 21 year old like Grant. Vardy was all ready set up for life at Leicester so his decision also wasn't to do with loyalty but where he felt he would get more games time. (29 or 30 when he turned Arsenal down)
I agree. Huddersfield might have been stuffed on Saturday but I think almost anyone would rather play at Stamford Bridge in the Premier League in front of 40,000 people than away at Fleetwood in League One in front of 3,000.
Grant worked his socks off this season, a Premier League team made an offer, and Charlton accepted it. He didn't say a word in the press in the meantime, neither refused to train nor play and spoke positively about Charlton after his move despite the fact it's currently a psycho den and has been the whole time he's been playing in the first team. If anything, not sticking the knife in and calling almost everyone he worked with at the club a bunch of idiots is an example of loyalty. Could have dug out Peeters for throwing him in to soon, Luzon for not using him well, Fraeye for existing, Robinson for telling him he wasn't a striker, and Roland for overseeing the whole show, but he didn't, just thanked the club. There's your loyalty.
If you played for a club in League One that had so much ambition that they would let you leave and replace you with somebody on a 6 month contract from Gillingham then why wouldn't you leave?
Plus, he just played against Higuain and Hazard at Stramford Bridge instead of against Fleetwood and he's just quadrupled his salary.
It is the biggest no-brainer in history from his perspective.
Shit for us, but that's what you get for not tying down your young players with potential.
Anyone begrudging KG this move is quite simply sour grapes. Good luck to him - it's not his fault.
Jamie Vardy was offered 120k to go to Arsenal a couple of seasons ago. Leicester then offered him 100k to stay.
Jamie was playing every week at Leicester and getting his adrenaline rush. If he moved to Arsenal he would rotate with the other forwards. 100k to 120k doesn't change your affulence life style plus he had already won the Premier title and they want to make a Hollywood film about his rise from the non League to title winner, more dosh.
Say Grant was on 3k, the ITK folk said 6K was on offer at Cafc. Grant was offered 20K with a 3 and a half year contract and a chance to tell his grand children he played games in the Premiership. (Before playing in the Championship for the rest of his career most likely)
Loyalty doesn't come into it for a 21 year old like Grant. Vardy was all ready set up for life at Leicester so his decision also wasn't to do with loyalty but where he felt he would get more games time. (29 or 30 when he turned Arsenal down)
So he showed loyalty by staying for more money than he was on? What would have happened if Leicester hadn’t have offered him the £100k?
Football fans wanting loyalty seems a bizarre concept to me as it is completely one way.
if we played huddersfield tomorrow i reckon some would want him to score a hat trick against us, cheers for the goals and all that dont blame him but not going to fawn over him - he has gone and we move on
Has anyone even hinted at that?
just likening it to when we played powells southend and a few posters would of "liked" to of seen a draw.
leaving at the 1st offer you get is a bit childish as i think end of season he may of got more money etc.
So no one said it or hinted at it.
So he's childish for going now but all those saying he's shit, greedy, will get splinterswill disappear in a few seasons, etc etc are acting like adults.
He made a tough choice, he might have got more in the summer or he might have got less.
yeah the petulant piss taking of him is also childish, he isn't the best striker we have so makes no odds - i just expected him to at least stay till end of season ( bit of loyalty - after all we are in the playoffs and he could of helped us get up ) always leaves a bad taste in mouth as my last memory of him will be taking a shit penalty then up to yorkshire the next day to film a video for his new club, that are going to be a champiobship side next season.
as it is an forum and this is a charlton subject i am entitled to an opinion.
My current work contract runs until August, if another school came to me willing to quadruple my salary, I'd be off in a shot.
I like my current school, I like the owner of the school and I get on with most of my co-workers, none of that is relevant when it comes to doing what's best for my family.
even if that meant your current school would take a plummet?.
suppose we are never going to be over the moon, whats more gutting is that no money was re-invested.
Clubs and fans don't give a monkey's when players are let go or moved on even if it is detrimental to the player.
Don't understand the double standards when a player does it. At least when a player does it all concerned parties are in agreement.
It's only because we're lumbered with an owner who chooses not to adequately reinvest the transfer fee that there's a gaping hole in our squad and substantial dent in our promotion prospects whilst our rivals for autos and playoffs have pretty much all strengthened in the window.
Bowyer agreed to sell, Grant agreed to sign, owner chooses the funds available to cover the deficit.
Some amazing "loyalty" shown to KG in June 2018 by @golfaddick on the "2 footballers arrested in Ibiza" thread:
"They might be innocent but I would still "sack" them (pay up the contracts / never play them again) as they obviously have no scruples. May be harsh but they get well paid, even at their age, and "fame" comes with a price. I do not want the 2 already named players involved with our club at all from now on & if they ever set foot on a football pitch when I'm in attendance they will get dogs abuse from the first to the last minute."
Jamie Vardy was offered 120k to go to Arsenal a couple of seasons ago. Leicester then offered him 100k to stay.
Jamie was playing every week at Leicester and getting his adrenaline rush. If he moved to Arsenal he would rotate with the other forwards. 100k to 120k doesn't change your affulence life style plus he had already won the Premier title and they want to make a Hollywood film about his rise from the non League to title winner, more dosh.
Say Grant was on 3k, the ITK folk said 6K was on offer at Cafc. Grant was offered 20K with a 3 and a half year contract and a chance to tell his grand children he played games in the Premiership. (Before playing in the Championship for the rest of his career most likely)
Loyalty doesn't come into it for a 21 year old like Grant. Vardy was all ready set up for life at Leicester so his decision also wasn't to do with loyalty but where he felt he would get more games time. (29 or 30 when he turned Arsenal down)
So he showed loyalty by staying for more money than he was on? What would have happened if Leicester hadn’t have offered him the £100k?
Football fans wanting loyalty seems a bizarre concept to me as it is completely one way.
I was thinking that, its not the best example from @soapboxsam
If you are on 100k already an extra 20k isnt much in the grand scheme of things.
Now had Leicester offered 40k or 50k woulf we then have seen loyalty, I doubt it
If Charlton offered him £6K and Huddersfield are at £20k then he has not quadrupled his salary. 😀.
If you’re being super pedantic surely you would measure the salary he was actually on rather against what he moved to to accurately measure how much it has increased by - which I would imagine is not too far off quadruple.
The arguments one way and the other about whether KG should have stayed now done to death. So I will simply add this.
If KG had stayed, he would now be having a bit of lunch in a nice wine bar down in Greenwich. Probably later he would have gone up to the West End, first for a bit of shopping for some of the latest fashions, then onto a club where he might have met a couple of Swedish girls over here on holiday who were keen to get to know a professional footballer. Then back to his flat overlooking the Thames.
As it happens, KG has just finished training and his new mates have asked him to go down the local Working Mens Club for a pint and a game of dominos. There he meets the ex-local miners who tell him about the pit strike in the 80s and how it decimated the area. Still its quiz night in the local and its somewhere to go while he gets to know the area.
KG has also just realised Huddersfield is a long way away from London and is beginning to wonder whether he should have waited until the end of the season and see what other offers came in for him.
The year is 1956. It is a bright summer’s afternoon in the Italian port city of Genoa and a man is driving his brand new sports car along an immaculate palm-lined avenue. A quick glance to his right reveals a marina packed with expensive-looking speed boats moored alongside rickety, sun-bleached fishing vessels, somehow preserved by decades of exposure to salt. Beyond the marina, the sunlight shimmers soothingly on the Ligurian Sea. The driver of the car takes a deep breath of seaside air through his open car window and dons a satisfied smile. Life is good.
The man parks his car outside of the entrance to a block where his plush six-bedroomed, marble-floored apartment is located. As he steps out the car, he draws glances from a few passers-by – after all, he is impeccably dressed: black shoes made from the finest leather; olive chinos with perfect single pleats; crisp-white, sea-island cotton shirt; grey silk tie; dark cashmere sweater; and a hand-cut, double-pocket blazer – with just the top button fastened – to complete the look.
Despite looking like a well-to-do Italian gentleman, the man was in fact born in South Africa and he has just returned from a trip to his local bank where he had deposited a cheque for 250,000 lire (about £140). The cheque was a statutory bonus payment from the Italian football club U.C. Sampdoria, made to all players after the team finished sixth in the league. The man’s name is Eddie Firmani and he is one of the most prolific strikers in European football.
Five years earlier, in 1950, 17-year-old Firmani had stepped off a boat in Southampton to begin his professional football career in England with Charlton Athletic. By the age of 22 – and after scoring more than 50 goals for the first team – he was regarded as one of the brightest prospects in the game. His exotic-sounding surname meant little to those on the terraces, but it certainly caught the attention of onlookers in Italy.
The first team to scout the South African were Torino, whose representatives watched the player in several games including an Inter-Cities Fairs Cup appearance for a London XI against Basle, in which he scored twice in a 5-0 win. Negotiations began soon after but were cut short when Giuseppe Ravano, the son of Sampdoria’s President, arrived with a more persuasive deal. In July 1955, Eddie Firmani arrived at Claridges Hotel in London and signed a two-year contract with the team from Genoa.
Firmani had become disillusioned with what he described as the “slavedom” of English football. Players were tied to fixed contracts and bound by prohibitive regulations and wage restrictions. In the meantime, Italian players were treated like royalty and paid huge sums of money,
The basic wage for a player in Italy was about the same as in England, at around £15 per week, but rather than a £2 win bonus, an Italian player could expect to earn up to £36 for an away win or £25 for a home victory. Even a draw on home soil attracted a £12 bonus and all players received an end of season pay-out that varied according to their league position.
However, the biggest temptation of all, was the signing-on fee. In England, players did not receive a single penny of any transfer fee agreed between the clubs, and their contracts had no expiry date, meaning they could not leave until the club chose to sell them.
In contrast, Sampdoria handed Firmani a £5,000 bonus when they finally agreed a deal to buy him from Charlton for £35,000 (a British record). He was given a two-year contract after which he would be free to leave and agree his own terms with another club. Alternatively, he could agree a new deal with Sampdoria should they wish to retain his services.
Firmani had been inspired by former Charlton teammate and Swedish international Hans Jepson, who had left for Italy four years earlier. By the time Firmani and his family arrived in Genoa, the Swede had already accumulated more than £25,000 in signing on fees and become the world’s most expensive player after signing for Napoli for over 100m Lire (£60,000).
After eight years in Italy, in which he scored 125 goals in 207 appearances for three different teams (Sampdoria, Inter and Genoa), Firmani eventually returned to Charlton Athletic in 1963. The abolition of the maximum wage for British players in 1961, led by PFA Chairman Jimmy Hill, had finally put a halt to the foreign exodus of British players. In 1969, Gerry Hitchens was the last exile to return from Italy when he left Cagliari to join Worcester City.
For Firmani, it was just the beginning of his foreign adventures. After moving into management in 1967, he went on to coach 12 teams in six different countries including Iraq, Oman, Kuwait and the USA where he coached the likes of Pele, Franz Beckenbauer, Giorgio Chinaglia and Carlos Alberto at the New York Cosmos. He eventually retired from management in 1996 and remained in the USA.
When Grant left, Charlton* had £1.5 million to spend on, say, two £500.000 players and their wages to help with the promotion push. They had to time to do that as his departure was signalled in advance. Charlton* decided not to do that. Can’t blame Grant for that.
Jamie Vardy was offered 120k to go to Arsenal a couple of seasons ago. Leicester then offered him 100k to stay.
Jamie was playing every week at Leicester and getting his adrenaline rush. If he moved to Arsenal he would rotate with the other forwards. 100k to 120k doesn't change your affulence life style plus he had already won the Premier title and they want to make a Hollywood film about his rise from the non League to title winner, more dosh.
Say Grant was on 3k, the ITK folk said 6K was on offer at Cafc. Grant was offered 20K with a 3 and a half year contract and a chance to tell his grand children he played games in the Premiership. (Before playing in the Championship for the rest of his career most likely)
Loyalty doesn't come into it for a 21 year old like Grant. Vardy was all ready set up for life at Leicester so his decision also wasn't to do with loyalty but where he felt he would get more games time. (29 or 30 when he turned Arsenal down)
So he showed loyalty by staying for more money than he was on? What would have happened if Leicester hadn’t have offered him the £100k?
Football fans wanting loyalty seems a bizarre concept to me as it is completely one way.
I was thinking that, its not the best example from @soapboxsam
If you are on 100k already an extra 20k isnt much in the grand scheme of things.
Now had Leicester offered 40k or 50k woulf we then have seen loyalty, I doubt it
That was the reason I put Loyalty in speech marks, even for Vardy, Leicester increased his basic wage and I gave the reasons why he didn't need to move, nothing to do with loyalty when you have it so good where you are.
Jamie Vardy was offered 120k to go to Arsenal a couple of seasons ago. Leicester then offered him 100k to stay.
Jamie was playing every week at Leicester and getting his adrenaline rush. If he moved to Arsenal he would rotate with the other forwards. 100k to 120k doesn't change your affulence life style plus he had already won the Premier title and they want to make a Hollywood film about his rise from the non League to title winner, more dosh.
Say Grant was on 3k, the ITK folk said 6K was on offer at Cafc. Grant was offered 20K with a 3 and a half year contract and a chance to tell his grand children he played games in the Premiership. (Before playing in the Championship for the rest of his career most likely)
Loyalty doesn't come into it for a 21 year old like Grant. Vardy was all ready set up for life at Leicester so his decision also wasn't to do with loyalty but where he felt he would get more games time. (29 or 30 when he turned Arsenal down)
Some amazing "loyalty" shown to KG in June 2018 by @golfaddick on the "2 footballers arrested in Ibiza" thread:
"They might be innocent but I would still "sack" them (pay up the contracts / never play them again) as they obviously have no scruples. May be harsh but they get well paid, even at their age, and "fame" comes with a price. I do not want the 2 already named players involved with our club at all from now on & if they ever set foot on a football pitch when I'm in attendance they will get dogs abuse from the first to the last minute."
Some amazing "loyalty" shown to KG in June 2018 by @golfaddick on the "2 footballers arrested in Ibiza" thread:
"They might be innocent but I would still "sack" them (pay up the contracts / never play them again) as they obviously have no scruples. May be harsh but they get well paid, even at their age, and "fame" comes with a price. I do not want the 2 already named players involved with our club at all from now on & if they ever set foot on a football pitch when I'm in attendance they will get dogs abuse from the first to the last minute."
How many people would stay loyal to their company/place of work if a competitor came along and offered to quadruple their wages?
Me, my company have invested a lot in me and I have repaid that loyalty by staying when I could have gone elsewhere for a lot more money (ok it helps as her indoors has a great job at Barclays). Money isn't everything.
Its a sad state of affairs that this is the be all and end all of everything.
You seem to be judged by what you earn rather than the person you are these days.
Some amazing "loyalty" shown to KG in June 2018 by @golfaddick on the "2 footballers arrested in Ibiza" thread:
"They might be innocent but I would still "sack" them (pay up the contracts / never play them again) as they obviously have no scruples. May be harsh but they get well paid, even at their age, and "fame" comes with a price. I do not want the 2 already named players involved with our club at all from now on & if they ever set foot on a football pitch when I'm in attendance they will get dogs abuse from the first to the last minute."
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Grant worked his socks off this season, a Premier League team made an offer, and Charlton accepted it. He didn't say a word in the press in the meantime, neither refused to train nor play and spoke positively about Charlton after his move despite the fact it's currently a psycho den and has been the whole time he's been playing in the first team. If anything, not sticking the knife in and calling almost everyone he worked with at the club a bunch of idiots is an example of loyalty. Could have dug out Peeters for throwing him in to soon, Luzon for not using him well, Fraeye for existing, Robinson for telling him he wasn't a striker, and Roland for overseeing the whole show, but he didn't, just thanked the club. There's your loyalty.
Plus, he just played against Higuain and Hazard at Stramford Bridge instead of against Fleetwood and he's just quadrupled his salary.
It is the biggest no-brainer in history from his perspective.
Shit for us, but that's what you get for not tying down your young players with potential.
Anyone begrudging KG this move is quite simply sour grapes. Good luck to him - it's not his fault.
Football fans wanting loyalty seems a bizarre concept to me as it is completely one way.
Don't understand the double standards when a player does it. At least when a player does it all concerned parties are in agreement.
It's only because we're lumbered with an owner who chooses not to adequately reinvest the transfer fee that there's a gaping hole in our squad and substantial dent in our promotion prospects whilst our rivals for autos and playoffs have pretty much all strengthened in the window.
Bowyer agreed to sell, Grant agreed to sign, owner chooses the funds available to cover the deficit.
"They might be innocent but I would still "sack" them (pay up the contracts / never play them again) as they obviously have no scruples. May be harsh but they get well paid, even at their age, and "fame" comes with a price. I do not want the 2 already named players involved with our club at all from now on & if they ever set foot on a football pitch when I'm in attendance they will get dogs abuse from the first to the last minute."
LOL!
If you are on 100k already an extra 20k isnt much in the grand scheme of things.
Now had Leicester offered 40k or 50k woulf we then have seen loyalty, I doubt it
If Charlton offered him £6K and Huddersfield are at £20k then he has not quadrupled his salary. 😀.
They made him a star after a non league career, let his contact run down so they got no fee and left for a club in the same division.
But we didn't slag Lyle off?
Why not or does this "loyalty" only apply when leaving but not joining Charlton?
For the record I don't think Taylor did anything wrong
If KG had stayed, he would now be having a bit of lunch in a nice wine bar down in Greenwich. Probably later he would have gone up to the West End, first for a bit of shopping for some of the latest fashions, then onto a club where he might have met a couple of Swedish girls over here on holiday who were keen to get to know a professional footballer. Then back to his flat overlooking the Thames.
As it happens, KG has just finished training and his new mates have asked him to go down the local Working Mens Club for a pint and a game of dominos. There he meets the ex-local miners who tell him about the pit strike in the 80s and how it decimated the area. Still its quiz night in the local and its somewhere to go while he gets to know the area.
KG has also just realised Huddersfield is a long way away from London and is beginning to wonder whether he should have waited until the end of the season and see what other offers came in for him.
how many have joined in with various scott parker songs over the years?
The year is 1956. It is a bright summer’s afternoon in the Italian port city of Genoa and a man is driving his brand new sports car along an immaculate palm-lined avenue. A quick glance to his right reveals a marina packed with expensive-looking speed boats moored alongside rickety, sun-bleached fishing vessels, somehow preserved by decades of exposure to salt. Beyond the marina, the sunlight shimmers soothingly on the Ligurian Sea. The driver of the car takes a deep breath of seaside air through his open car window and dons a satisfied smile. Life is good.
The man parks his car outside of the entrance to a block where his plush six-bedroomed, marble-floored apartment is located. As he steps out the car, he draws glances from a few passers-by – after all, he is impeccably dressed: black shoes made from the finest leather; olive chinos with perfect single pleats; crisp-white, sea-island cotton shirt; grey silk tie; dark cashmere sweater; and a hand-cut, double-pocket blazer – with just the top button fastened – to complete the look.
Despite looking like a well-to-do Italian gentleman, the man was in fact born in South Africa and he has just returned from a trip to his local bank where he had deposited a cheque for 250,000 lire (about £140). The cheque was a statutory bonus payment from the Italian football club U.C. Sampdoria, made to all players after the team finished sixth in the league. The man’s name is Eddie Firmani and he is one of the most prolific strikers in European football.
Five years earlier, in 1950, 17-year-old Firmani had stepped off a boat in Southampton to begin his professional football career in England with Charlton Athletic. By the age of 22 – and after scoring more than 50 goals for the first team – he was regarded as one of the brightest prospects in the game. His exotic-sounding surname meant little to those on the terraces, but it certainly caught the attention of onlookers in Italy.
The first team to scout the South African were Torino, whose representatives watched the player in several games including an Inter-Cities Fairs Cup appearance for a London XI against Basle, in which he scored twice in a 5-0 win. Negotiations began soon after but were cut short when Giuseppe Ravano, the son of Sampdoria’s President, arrived with a more persuasive deal. In July 1955, Eddie Firmani arrived at Claridges Hotel in London and signed a two-year contract with the team from Genoa.
Firmani had become disillusioned with what he described as the “slavedom” of English football. Players were tied to fixed contracts and bound by prohibitive regulations and wage restrictions. In the meantime, Italian players were treated like royalty and paid huge sums of money,
The basic wage for a player in Italy was about the same as in England, at around £15 per week, but rather than a £2 win bonus, an Italian player could expect to earn up to £36 for an away win or £25 for a home victory. Even a draw on home soil attracted a £12 bonus and all players received an end of season pay-out that varied according to their league position.
However, the biggest temptation of all, was the signing-on fee. In England, players did not receive a single penny of any transfer fee agreed between the clubs, and their contracts had no expiry date, meaning they could not leave until the club chose to sell them.
In contrast, Sampdoria handed Firmani a £5,000 bonus when they finally agreed a deal to buy him from Charlton for £35,000 (a British record). He was given a two-year contract after which he would be free to leave and agree his own terms with another club. Alternatively, he could agree a new deal with Sampdoria should they wish to retain his services.
Firmani had been inspired by former Charlton teammate and Swedish international Hans Jepson, who had left for Italy four years earlier. By the time Firmani and his family arrived in Genoa, the Swede had already accumulated more than £25,000 in signing on fees and become the world’s most expensive player after signing for Napoli for over 100m Lire (£60,000).
After eight years in Italy, in which he scored 125 goals in 207 appearances for three different teams (Sampdoria, Inter and Genoa), Firmani eventually returned to Charlton Athletic in 1963. The abolition of the maximum wage for British players in 1961, led by PFA Chairman Jimmy Hill, had finally put a halt to the foreign exodus of British players. In 1969, Gerry Hitchens was the last exile to return from Italy when he left Cagliari to join Worcester City.
For Firmani, it was just the beginning of his foreign adventures. After moving into management in 1967, he went on to coach 12 teams in six different countries including Iraq, Oman, Kuwait and the USA where he coached the likes of Pele, Franz Beckenbauer, Giorgio Chinaglia and Carlos Alberto at the New York Cosmos. He eventually retired from management in 1996 and remained in the USA.
I liked Karlan, his hard work was admirable and the outcome was the clear improvement in his displays.
He was approached as a L1 player by a premier league team and has gone straight into their match day squad.
Not sure what that really says about us, them or the level we find ourselves.
Biggest problem isn't Karlan's fault.
We sold all bar one of our *fit* first team forwards and brought in 1/2 of one with Parker primarily being an attacking mid.
* For Charlton read Roland.
Its a sad state of affairs that this is the be all and end all of everything.
You seem to be judged by what you earn rather than the person you are these days.