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England Cricket Team Summer 2019 -ICC World Cup and Ashes etc

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  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    killerandflash said:
    MrOneLung said:
    MrOneLung said:
    So, Joffra Archer

    yes or no ?
    Woakes says No - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/47946381

    But, then again he would wouldn't he.
    To me it's questionable whether he ought to play for England at all, as I don't like people swapping countries in this way

    However, if he is eligible to play for England it's silly to say that he should wait until after the WC as it would be unfair on the player left out.  
    Agreed, but at least he hasn't played for the Windies. It's not like Dirk Nannes who changes nationality every time he changes his socks 
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,314
    Yeah but it's a World Cup. The bookies may have it one way but if I were a betting man I'd stick the lot on those bastards 
  • Riviera
    Riviera Posts: 8,167
    Australia will win the World Cup.
  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,145
    Australia won’t win the World Cup 
  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,145
    Although they can have the World Cup if we win The Ashes !
  • Johnnysummers5
    Johnnysummers5 Posts: 8,469
    Archer in, I think you pick your best players available to you
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,842
    oohaahmortimer said:
    Although they can have the World Cup if we win The Ashes !
    I'd prefer the World Cup

    Much less bothered about white ball cricket but the lack of a 50 over World Cup is a major blot on out cricket history, whereas in recent years we've won the Ashes several times, especially at home (2005, 2009, 2013, 2015)
  • moutuakilla
    moutuakilla Posts: 7,568
    Just took 3-15 and 2 catches in the IPL
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,668
    Riviera said:
    Australia will win the World Cup.
    Anyone but them  please 
  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 26,846
    Oz have got my shillings on them. 
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  • Addickted2TheReds
    Addickted2TheReds Posts: 7,735
    Ashes over the World Cup all day everyday. 

    Each to their own but that seems ludicrous to me - nothing better than sticking it to Aus in the format that is the pinnacle of the game.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,763
    Why not both? :-)
  • Addickted2TheReds
    Addickted2TheReds Posts: 7,735
    Callumcafc said:
    Why not both? :-)
    Well yes, that! 
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,949
    Riviera said:
    There are still tickets available for the last day at Lords. They are non-refundable but at just £20 well worth a gamble. 
    Bit cheeky making them non refundable, with so few games reaching the 5th day now.  
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,989
    Covered End said:
    I got 2 for day 3.
    Just arrived by post.
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,989
    North Lower Neil said:
    Riviera said:
    There are still tickets available for the last day at Lords. They are non-refundable but at just £20 well worth a gamble. 
    Bit cheeky making them non refundable, with so few games reaching the 5th day now.  
    I can't remember where, but the money goes to charidee or the like.
  • Riviera
    Riviera Posts: 8,167
    North Lower Neil said:
    Riviera said:
    There are still tickets available for the last day at Lords. They are non-refundable but at just £20 well worth a gamble. 
    Bit cheeky making them non refundable, with so few games reaching the 5th day now.  
    Not at £20, as @Covered End said if there is no play due to weather or result the monies go to charity. Refunding money costs money. It's a gamble that you do not have to take and I applaud the MCC for this and making it clear. Other days cost £150! I bought 6 tickets on spec for the last day of the 2009 Ashes Lords Test and what a couple of hours that turned out to be and our first win at Lords v Aussie for 75 years. 
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,949
    Covered End said:
    North Lower Neil said:
    Riviera said:
    There are still tickets available for the last day at Lords. They are non-refundable but at just £20 well worth a gamble. 
    Bit cheeky making them non refundable, with so few games reaching the 5th day now.  
    I can't remember where, but the money goes to charidee or the like.
    Hadn't seen that, makes it better to be fair.  I thought it was a case of "there's no play, we keep your money as it's too much hassle to refund", which seeing as they'll make a mint the first few days, felt.a bit off.
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,989
    We've got tickets for day 3 and day 5, so I'm hoping for rain on day 4 :smile:
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,842
    Provisional squad announced, no Archer

    Morgan
    Ali
    Bairstow
    Buttler
    T Curran
    Denly
    Hales
    Plunkett
    Rashid
    Root
    Roy
    Stokes
    Willey
    Woakes
    Wood

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  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,842
    https://www.ecb.co.uk/news/1183091?utm_campaign=1463062_170419_SquadAnnouncement&utm_medium=email&utm_source=ECB%20Supporters&dm_i=2SX2,VCWM,NR4M2,39AEQ,1
  • Riviera
    Riviera Posts: 8,167

    Commenting on the selection of the squads, National Selector Ed Smith, said: 

    “In line with ICC regulations, we have to name a preliminary squad of 15 for the ICC Men’s Cricket World Cup before April 23. However, all 17 players named in the Royal London ODIs against Pakistan can stake a claim to be in the final 15-man squad, finalised at the end of that series. 

    “The selection panel has been impressed with Jofra Archer’s performances in domestic and franchise cricket. He is a very talented and exciting cricketer.

     The clues are there, clearer than Line of Duty! 

  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    killerandflash said:
    Provisional squad announced, no Archer

    Morgan
    Ali
    Bairstow
    Buttler
    T Curran
    Denly
    Hales
    Plunkett
    Rashid
    Root
    Roy
    Stokes
    Willey
    Woakes
    Wood

    Not surprised, thought that would be the case. Personally think Archer could end up replacing Curran. Not sure we need Denly in the squad, but guess he could replace Ali if he were injured and share some bowling with Root. 
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 16,912
    edited April 2019
    Pretty much the squad we all expected. Suspect it was between Dawson and Denly for the back up spinner role. The beauty of this squad is we actually have options in ever role and some bloody good players are gonna miss out. 

    I posted the below on the Surrey thread.

    "well the rumours from the last England white ball tour that Plunkett had suddenly 'Lost it' seem correct. I would prefer Dernbach in the side right now.

    Unless something changes he should not be in the final world cup squad. And this is coming from soemoene who is a big fan of Liam and was delighted when we signed him. I also felt he should have gone on the last ashes tour.

    But at 34 now and reportedly having lost a yard and a half of pace it may be that he simply isn't the bowler he was a year ago."

    Plunkett has been huge in turning around England's white ball bowling unit and that 6 he hit off the last ball to tie the match was a great moment. But their is no room for sentiment when it comes to the world cup. He just cannot be in the squad. Archer in for him and then the question is Jordan or Tom Curran depending on who performs in the ODI's. 

    Willey is least likely to play but most likely to make the squad as they will want a left arm option.

  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 16,912
    Let's compare it to the last England world cup squad.

    Moeen Ali, James Anderson, Gary Ballance, Ian Bell, Ravi Bopara, Stuart Broad, Jos Buttler (wk), Steven Finn, Alex Hales, Chris Jordan, Eoin Morgan (capt), Joe Root, James Taylor, James Tredwell, Chris Woakes.
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 16,912
    Bairstow.     Hales
    Roy               Billings
    Root.            Denly
    Morgan.       Malan
    Buttler.         Vince
    Stokes.        Dawson
    Moeen.        Sam Curran
    Woakes.      Willey
    Archer          Tom Curran 
    Rashid.        Jordan
    Wood           Plunkett

    2 good sides there.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,842
    cantersaddick said:
    Bairstow.     Hales
    Roy               Billings
    Root.            Denly
    Morgan.       Malan
    Buttler.         Vince
    Stokes.        Dawson
    Moeen.        Sam Curran
    Woakes.      Willey
    Archer          Tom Curran 
    Rashid.        Jordan
    Wood           Plunkett

    2 good sides there.
    I'd pay to watch that match!
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,842
    cantersaddick said:
    Let's compare it to the last England world cup squad.

    Moeen Ali, James Anderson, Gary Ballance, Ian Bell, Ravi Bopara, Stuart Broad, Jos Buttler (wk), Steven Finn, Alex Hales, Chris Jordan, Eoin Morgan (capt), Joe Root, James Taylor, James Tredwell, Chris Woakes.
    The team isn't that different, but it's the mindset which has massively changed
  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,881
    killerandflash said:
    cantersaddick said:
    Let's compare it to the last England world cup squad.

    Moeen Ali, James Anderson, Gary Ballance, Ian Bell, Ravi Bopara, Stuart Broad, Jos Buttler (wk), Steven Finn, Alex Hales, Chris Jordan, Eoin Morgan (capt), Joe Root, James Taylor, James Tredwell, Chris Woakes.
    The team isn't that different, but it's the mindset which has massively changed
    9 out of 15 not included, that’s quite different
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    killerandflash said:
    cantersaddick said:
    Let's compare it to the last England world cup squad.

    Moeen Ali, James Anderson, Gary Ballance, Ian Bell, Ravi Bopara, Stuart Broad, Jos Buttler (wk), Steven Finn, Alex Hales, Chris Jordan, Eoin Morgan (capt), Joe Root, James Taylor, James Tredwell, Chris Woakes.
    The team isn't that different, but it's the mindset which has massively changed
    Mindset has changed but that’s also in part because of the personnel. Likes of Roy and Bairstow in for Ballance and Bell. Lack of all rounders in that squad too, we are blessed with them this time around. 

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