When I was a kid my folks regularly left us at night whilst they went out.
All we had was a bottle of squash and an order to behave.
There would be 5 kids in a chalet, the mahem, chaos and pillow fights are a cherished childhood memory.
My parents werent negligent and nether were the McCanns in the same situation.
I remember being left in our chalets in the Devon Coast Country Club as kids there would have been between 2&4 of us in our chalet and another couple of friends next door . Between 1 & 10 years old , parents on the lash in the clubhouse and popping back every so often if at all . Not sure if a baby monitor of some form existed in those days in the late 70s.
I can can recall leaving our youngest in the room on holiday with us eating 20-40 yards away and popping back in to rooom every 20 mins or so to check up on our baby . negligent, may be but the resort was closed off and security about but in all honesty if someone broke in and lifted the baby they prolly could have got away with them . nowadays sometimes we will leave the younger kids indoors with a babysitter on holiday rather than have tired irritable kids hanging around the table, I don’t wanna eat at 5-6pm with them and they get arsey as they get tired and hungry ! Sometimes the modern day dummy for older kids of an iPad is pulled out to get them to sit still if it’s not convenient for them to play around near by once all the top trumps and other little table games have worn thin .
Edit* i don’t know what the exact situation was with the McCanns because I’ve never wanted to look too far in to it , so don’t know how near/far they were away , was the room locked etc
A baby/child listening service was common practice in holiday camps years ago.
Monitors were wired up to the site office where persons unknown would monitor them. Not something my wife and I ever entrusted. Come to think of it, I can't remember how contact was made to the parents in an emergency situation as it was before mobile phones. Parents were advised to turn the monitors off when they returned home as the office staff were fed up with listening to tipsy couples making out.
I remember this in the 70's/80's at the holiday camp we went to every year in the IOW, it would come over the tannoy "baby crying in 2b, baby crying in 2b"
I don't buy the checking every 20mins either. They would have been up and down constantly. I reckon the Portuguese plod got that bit right. They went back to the block whenever they needed the toilet and popped their heads in.
I've always had the idea that the parents where involved somehow. I have seen this Netflix series and it hasn't really changed my mind. There are still questions as to why Kate McCann refused to answer questions in interviews and also changed some parts of her story. The "Tapas friends" also seem to have changed their stories along the way. There are also questions as to why the first choice lead investigator in Operation Grange was warned off taking on the job because he was going to be told that the "focus (of the investigation) would be away from any suspicion of wrongdoing on the part of the McCanns or the Tapas friends" (from 26:00 on the video below)
The question was asked above "Why do people assume that just because they are doctors, they carry drugs on them?". I initially had the opinion that the children were given some sort of sedative and Maddie maybe didn't wake up from it. Seeing as the parents are Doctors, maybe they have access to some sort of light sedative and used them routinely to help the kids sleep. So, in answer to the question, they may have carried drugs that they had prescribed and in the form of medicine for one of them, but for the purpose of sedating the children for the evenings during the holiday.
Re' the timeline, Maddie could have had the reaction earlier in the day and she may have been disposed of then, but the plan was to raise the alarm later in the evening, when they'd all been at the the tapas bar and so had an alibi.
Re' why do they still keep it in the media if they are involved? I don't think they have much choice with the momentum it gained and the international coverage it received and still does.
I've never gone along with the theory re' the parents being involved in orgainsed crime involving children, but I still think they and their friends have some sort on involvement
I haven't watched the Netflix documentry but have seen just about every other video on YouTube about the disappearance of Madeline.
Why was Gerry So dismissive of the two sniffer dogs which were used by the British Police when they were the best blood and cadaver dogs around and since had worked in American for hundreds of dollars a day and were also used in the bodies which were located at the Children's home in the channel islands. Was it because both dogs reacted in their apartment ?
Why did Kate after realising her daughter was missing then leave the twins alone to walk back to the tapas bar ?
Why would you leave the door unlocked if not only were your 3 children in the room but I assume your Passports and other valuables ?
Was it true they used money from the MM fund to pay of their Mortgage ?
Was it true that neither of the twins woke up despite all of the commotion after 10 o'clock ?
Two nights previous both Jerry and Kate admitted after questioning that Madeline stated, "where were you when I woke up." The woman in the upstairs apartment said that she heard crying for about an hour on that evening, two nights before the alleged abduction. What happened with the checking every 30 minutes ?
Back home in Leicestershire, Madeline was given a star if she stayed in bed all night. Were K+G ever asked if they gave Madeline or the twins Calpol or some other sleeping medicine.
Did the other Doctors leave their apartment doors unlocked with their Children inside ?
I feel the British police have given the McCanns and the tapas 7 an easy ride because yet again when Prime ministers backed Kate and Andy they stopped being discerning.
Were any of the above questions covered in the episodes so far ?
Genuinely hate topics like this (in life). Have never been able to bring myself to read about it properly and zero chance I will watch this documentary.
Social media has been full for years of absolute pond life who think they are funny using that poor girl and this story as a basis of humour. I will never ever understand what goes through some people’s heads in that respect.
I think dark humour does have a place in life. Not least because having that attitude can be a coping mechanism in difficult (if not similar to this, admittedly) moments in life. It can be healthy. It can also be unhealthy and spiteful.
I do think there is a fine line between dark humour and being a dick. And you've every right to think jokes such as those above go beyond that.
For what it's worth I'd never make a joke at Madeleine's expense directly, but I do think her parents are open to so much criticism that they are more 'fair game'.
As I’ve gotten older I’ve realised we never grow up as a society from taking the piss like we did in secondary school. I would’ve never assumed that when I was in year 10 art on the cussing table ripping the piss out of each other’s mums would follow through to being an adult and you get people still taking the piss about abducted kids, terrorism etc etc
I remember being at a stand up years back and the host did the old where you from routine etc. Someone said Portugal and he said ‘oh we used to like the Portuguese, until they took our Maddy’. I probably laughed at the time. You try not to with things like this and I’m amazed how quickly things like this go from tradegy to piss taking.
Agree with the majority of posters. Can’t get my head around just leaving her and the other two alone. Crazy
Am I the only one who thinks they weren't irresponsible? They thought they were in a safe place, with their kids 60m away and along with the other parents, checked in on them every 20/30 minutes, to see if they were OK - not abducted.
This is done by thousands of parents on holiday every year. Always has done and is still done to this day.
Am I the only one who thinks they weren't irresponsible? They thought they were in a safe place, with their kids 60m away and along with the other parents, checked in on them every 20/30 minutes, to see if they were OK - not abducted.
This is done by thousands of parents on holiday every year. Always has done and is still done to this day.
If you had a pub 60 odd meters up the road, would you and your Mrs be happy to go up there for the evening and leave the children in bed, going back to check every half hour?
On the other side, if somebody knew they left their kids alone at night, and they were dodgy and evil. It is not inconceivable they saw an opportunity to abduct a child. There isn't enough evidence to convict or exonerate and there probably will never be.
Am I the only one who thinks they weren't irresponsible? They thought they were in a safe place, with their kids 60m away and along with the other parents, checked in on them every 20/30 minutes, to see if they were OK - not abducted.
This is done by thousands of parents on holiday every year. Always has done and is still done to this day.
The twins should be asleep in buggies by 9pm, put 2 chairs together for the 3 year old.
Done this on everyone of our holidays and kids never left our side or went to toilet alone (since 98)
Their kids were in kids club all day aswell, may just not have taken them.
To me that’s absolutely mental. I wouldn’t dream of leaving my child unattended in a different building while they’re sleeping. You wouldn’t go to a party at the end of the street while the kids stayed asleep in your house would you? And if anything doing it on holiday, in another country, is even worse.
To me that’s absolutely mental. I wouldn’t dream of leaving my child unattended in a different building while they’re sleeping. You wouldn’t go to a party at the end of the street while the kids stayed asleep in your house would you? And if anything doing it on holiday, in another country, is even worse.
Anyone who believes the parents had anything to do with it probably believe Elvis is alive and Kennedy was killed by Lee Harvey Oswald. The very poor Portuguese police was a major factor. Very sad.
If they were babysitters or childminders and were found out to have left the kids in their care to go and have dinner and get on the piss 200yds away they'd have been absolutely vilified.
These people had more responsibility to them kids than a babysitter.
Anyone who believes the parents had anything to do with it probably believe Elvis is alive and Kennedy was killed by Lee Harvey Oswald. The very poor Portuguese police was a major factor. Very sad.
Am I the only one who thinks they weren't irresponsible? They thought they were in a safe place, with their kids 60m away and along with the other parents, checked in on them every 20/30 minutes, to see if they were OK - not abducted.
This is done by thousands of parents on holiday every year. Always has done and is still done to this day.
Maybe. But it's a huge risk.
As Charltonparklane said the kids were in the club all day. Wouldn't you want to see them in the evening? I suppose they were of the opinion it was their holiday as well. Kids around in short bursts and then off to enjoy themselves.
They are guilty to some because they are "middle class"
Enough money has been spent on this now.Close it down.
IMO they did it and as DRs this meant jail,end of their professional life,the other kids in care. Something has always came over not right about the wife.
The final clue to me is they are Guardian readers !!!! Bastards
Anyone who believes the parents had anything to do with it probably believe Elvis is alive and Kennedy was killed by Lee Harvey Oswald. The very poor Portuguese police was a major factor. Very sad.
Well their selfish shit parenting had something to do with it. They’re certainly guilty of that.
There were a few things which didn’t add up or seem plausible. The 20 minute checks for instance. Hard to believe they kept getting up and down from their food and drink every 20 minutes- it would have been easier not to bother. This clearly was an agreed story contrived after the event. Why did they come up with it though? Was it just because they knew it didn’t look good that they had left their children alone? Or was it for some other reason, to cover something up? Because everyone can see that at least this part of the story is not true, it then makes people suspicious about other parts of it.
To me that’s absolutely mental. I wouldn’t dream of leaving my child unattended in a different building while they’re sleeping. You wouldn’t go to a party at the end of the street while the kids stayed asleep in your house would you? And if anything doing it on holiday, in another country, is even worse.
From Portugal how easy would it be to get the child into Italy with zero border checks (?), for fake documents to be arranged before taking her over to Africa or into Asia - Of course its just as easy to bundle a kid into the boot and drive through the Border Security @ Dover or Folkestone but there is still the very slim chance of your car being pulled over to be checked
I've always had the idea that the parents where involved somehow. I have seen this Netflix series and it hasn't really changed my mind. There are still questions as to why Kate McCann refused to answer questions in interviews and also changed some parts of her story. The "Tapas friends" also seem to have changed their stories along the way. There are also questions as to why the first choice lead investigator in Operation Grange was warned off taking on the job because he was going to be told that the "focus (of the investigation) would be away from any suspicion of wrongdoing on the part of the McCanns or the Tapas friends" (from 26:00 on the video below)
The question was asked above "Why do people assume that just because they are doctors, they carry drugs on them?". I initially had the opinion that the children were given some sort of sedative and Maddie maybe didn't wake up from it. Seeing as the parents are Doctors, maybe they have access to some sort of light sedative and used them routinely to help the kids sleep. So, in answer to the question, they may have carried drugs that they had prescribed and in the form of medicine for one of them, but for the purpose of sedating the children for the evenings during the holiday.
Re' the timeline, Maddie could have had the reaction earlier in the day and she may have been disposed of then, but the plan was to raise the alarm later in the evening, when they'd all been at the the tapas bar and so had an alibi.
Re' why do they still keep it in the media if they are involved? I don't think they have much choice with the momentum it gained and the international coverage it received and still does.
I've never gone along with the theory re' the parents being involved in orgainsed crime involving children, but I still think they and their friends have some sort on involvement
But why get so much media involved in the first place? The huge media presence was largely down to the McCanns. Why would they do that when they are in a foreign country and they've accidently murdered one of their kids? What did they do with the body. Madeleine was in the kids club that day. It's a pretty short window to kill her and dispose of the body in a foreign land?
I don't buy it. The shiftiness from the parents and the rest of the group is down to shame and embarrassment of the situation they created. They are part of the medical profession. The pillar of responsibility and they were negligible on so many levels.
Am I the only one who thinks they weren't irresponsible? They thought they were in a safe place, with their kids 60m away and along with the other parents, checked in on them every 20/30 minutes, to see if they were OK - not abducted.
This is done by thousands of parents on holiday every year. Always has done and is still done to this day.
The twins should be asleep in buggies by 9pm, put 2 chairs together for the 3 year old.
Done this on everyone of our holidays and kids never left our side or went to toilet alone (since 98)
Their kids were in kids club all day aswell, may just not have taken them.
You still take your 21 year old kid to the toilet?
I think the sniffer dogs are what makes me think the McCanns have more to do with this than they claim above all. I didn't know this until recently, but when humans die, they give off a distinct aroma. I undertsand that these dogs detected it on the property and in the McCann's car. These dogs are trained specifically to detect this scent. The McCanns say the dogs are not reliable, although lots of people say they are.
My view is that when a dog is trained to smell a specific scent and it does it is quite compelling, even if it isn't enough in itself to convict in a court of law.
There are a large number of true crime television programmes, not that I am saying this case is one of a crime. In the main these programmes seem to focus on the perpetrators. Should we be worried about the rise in this, which could be seen to basically be victim porn?
I've always had the idea that the parents where involved somehow. I have seen this Netflix series and it hasn't really changed my mind. There are still questions as to why Kate McCann refused to answer questions in interviews and also changed some parts of her story. The "Tapas friends" also seem to have changed their stories along the way. There are also questions as to why the first choice lead investigator in Operation Grange was warned off taking on the job because he was going to be told that the "focus (of the investigation) would be away from any suspicion of wrongdoing on the part of the McCanns or the Tapas friends" (from 26:00 on the video below)
The question was asked above "Why do people assume that just because they are doctors, they carry drugs on them?". I initially had the opinion that the children were given some sort of sedative and Maddie maybe didn't wake up from it. Seeing as the parents are Doctors, maybe they have access to some sort of light sedative and used them routinely to help the kids sleep. So, in answer to the question, they may have carried drugs that they had prescribed and in the form of medicine for one of them, but for the purpose of sedating the children for the evenings during the holiday.
Re' the timeline, Maddie could have had the reaction earlier in the day and she may have been disposed of then, but the plan was to raise the alarm later in the evening, when they'd all been at the the tapas bar and so had an alibi.
Re' why do they still keep it in the media if they are involved? I don't think they have much choice with the momentum it gained and the international coverage it received and still does.
I've never gone along with the theory re' the parents being involved in orgainsed crime involving children, but I still think they and their friends have some sort on involvement
But why get so much media involved in the first place? The huge media presence was largely down to the McCanns. Why would they do that when they are in a foreign country and they've accidently murdered one of their kids? What did they do with the body. Madeleine was in the kids club that day. It's a pretty short window to kill her and dispose of the body in a foreign land?
I don't buy it. The shiftiness from the parents and the rest of the group is down to shame and embarrassment of the situation they created. They are part of the medical profession. The pillar of responsibility and they were negligible on so many levels.
It was from the McCanns and their family back in the UK. When they told their wider family that she was missing and they came back with something along the lines if "right we'll get this spread far and wide, we'll get the very best people involved and get her found" it wouldn't have looked right them saying back to not bother too much and to keep a low profile.
I'm just saying that I think more questions should be asked of them
Are we seriously still arguing about whether or not they were negligent in 2019? Of all the things to discuss that shouldn’t be one of them. Of course they were.
I don't think we'll ever know the full story, ! 100% believe the McCanns are culpable in some way - totally totally negligent for starters.
I literally wouldn't dream of doing what they did on holiday leaving their kids, I wouldn't be able to relax for 30 seconds let alone go back and check every 20 mins or so - we'd be sitting on the balcony or have them in a pushchair asleep next to us. Even in this country I wouldn't be any further away than my garden (and even then we pop in and check if their monitors lose signal!)
so much of the story doesn't add up and I just find myself having a real irrational dislike of both Kate and Gerry McCann - so much so that it probably clouds my judgement now.
Just feel so sorry for the poor little girl, she was the same age as my youngest daughter is now and it doesn't bare thinking about what she must've gone through and (if she was taken) how scared she must've been.
Am I the only one who thinks they weren't irresponsible? They thought they were in a safe place, with their kids 60m away and along with the other parents, checked in on them every 20/30 minutes, to see if they were OK - not abducted.
This is done by thousands of parents on holiday every year. Always has done and is still done to this day.
The twins should be asleep in buggies by 9pm, put 2 chairs together for the 3 year old.
Done this on everyone of our holidays and kids never left our side or went to toilet alone (since 98)
Their kids were in kids club all day aswell, may just not have taken them.
You still take your 21 year old kid to the toilet?
Course not but if my daughter is on holiday with us, even at 20 years of age I still make her tell us she is going to the toilet so we know where she is and when to expect her back. (a pissed up 20 yo girl can be a very clear target going to a toilet)
My sons also 23 Even when on holiday on their own they still check in via whattsapp morning, throughout the day and at night.
Might sound very mollycoddling but they are both doing well in life regardless.
It's not just toddlers who get abducted or assaulted. As a parent you never switch off, we'll, we don't anyway.
Anyone who believes the parents had anything to do with it probably believe Elvis is alive and Kennedy was killed by Lee Harvey Oswald. The very poor Portuguese police was a major factor. Very sad.
Well their selfish shit parenting had something to do with it. They’re certainly guilty of that.
this, the idea of leaving your kids in an unlocked apartment why you go off wining and dining, and it wasn't as if they were outside on the patio they were a distance away and on the side of a road not in the middle of a holiday complex like it is made out.
as others have said they are guilty of neglect and they are too partly blame for her disappearance.
an example i have used is would you leave 2 babies and a toddler indoors with the door unlocked and go in your next door neighbours for a cuppa for 20 minutes with the door unlocked ( less of a distance than the apartment to the tapas place ). i do not believe the timescales of the checks and what i find difficult is how the babies did not wake up, even stranger was the friend who couldn't remember seeing anything.
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They would have been up and down constantly.
I reckon the Portuguese plod got that bit right. They went back to the block whenever they needed the toilet and popped their heads in.
Worth watching all of this, if you're interested - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX3u2Hp42ic
The question was asked above "Why do people assume that just because they are doctors, they carry drugs on them?". I initially had the opinion that the children were given some sort of sedative and Maddie maybe didn't wake up from it. Seeing as the parents are Doctors, maybe they have access to some sort of light sedative and used them routinely to help the kids sleep. So, in answer to the question, they may have carried drugs that they had prescribed and in the form of medicine for one of them, but for the purpose of sedating the children for the evenings during the holiday.
Re' the timeline, Maddie could have had the reaction earlier in the day and she may have been disposed of then, but the plan was to raise the alarm later in the evening, when they'd all been at the the tapas bar and so had an alibi.
Re' why do they still keep it in the media if they are involved? I don't think they have much choice with the momentum it gained and the international coverage it received and still does.
I've never gone along with the theory re' the parents being involved in orgainsed crime involving children, but I still think they and their friends have some sort on involvement
Why was Gerry So dismissive of the two sniffer dogs which were used by the British Police when they were the best blood and cadaver dogs around and since had worked in American for hundreds of dollars a day and were also used in the bodies which were located at the Children's home in the channel islands. Was it because both dogs reacted in their apartment ?
Why did Kate after realising her daughter was missing then leave the twins alone to walk back to the tapas bar ?
Why would you leave the door unlocked if not only were your 3 children in the room but I assume your Passports and other valuables ?
Was it true they used money from the MM fund to pay of their Mortgage ?
Was it true that neither of the twins woke up despite all of the commotion after 10 o'clock ?
Two nights previous both Jerry and Kate admitted after questioning that Madeline stated, "where were you when I woke up."
The woman in the upstairs apartment said that she heard crying for about an hour on that evening, two nights before the alleged abduction. What happened with the checking every 30 minutes ?
Back home in Leicestershire, Madeline was given a star if she stayed in bed all night.
Were K+G ever asked if they gave Madeline or the twins Calpol or some other sleeping medicine.
Did the other Doctors leave their apartment doors unlocked with their Children inside ?
I feel the British police have given the McCanns and the tapas 7 an easy ride because yet again when Prime ministers backed Kate and Andy they stopped being discerning.
Were any of the above questions covered in the episodes so far ?
I remember being at a stand up years back and the host did the old where you from routine etc. Someone said Portugal and he said ‘oh we used to like the Portuguese, until they took our Maddy’. I probably laughed at the time. You try not to with things like this and I’m amazed how quickly things like this go from tradegy to piss taking.
Agree with the majority of posters. Can’t get my head around just leaving her and the other two alone. Crazy
This is done by thousands of parents on holiday every year. Always has done and is still done to this day.
The twins should be asleep in buggies by 9pm, put 2 chairs together for the 3 year old.
Done this on everyone of our holidays and kids never left our side or went to toilet alone (since 98)
Their kids were in kids club all day aswell, may just not have taken them.
The very poor Portuguese police was a major factor. Very sad.
These people had more responsibility to them kids than a babysitter.
Enough money has been spent on this now.Close it down.
IMO they did it and as DRs this meant jail,end of their professional life,the other kids in care. Something has always came over not right about the wife.
The final clue to me is they are Guardian readers !!!! Bastards
From Portugal how easy would it be to get the child into Italy with zero border checks (?), for fake documents to be arranged before taking her over to Africa or into Asia - Of course its just as easy to bundle a kid into the boot and drive through the Border Security @ Dover or Folkestone but there is still the very slim chance of your car being pulled over to be checked
Why would they do that when they are in a foreign country and they've accidently murdered one of their kids?
What did they do with the body. Madeleine was in the kids club that day. It's a pretty short window to kill her and dispose of the body in a foreign land?
I don't buy it. The shiftiness from the parents and the rest of the group is down to shame and embarrassment of the situation they created. They are part of the medical profession. The pillar of responsibility and they were negligible on so many levels.
My view is that when a dog is trained to smell a specific scent and it does it is quite compelling, even if it isn't enough in itself to convict in a court of law.
Should we be worried about the rise in this, which could be seen to basically be victim porn?
I'm just saying that I think more questions should be asked of them
I don't think we'll ever know the full story, ! 100% believe the McCanns are culpable in some way - totally totally negligent for starters.
I literally wouldn't dream of doing what they did on holiday leaving their kids, I wouldn't be able to relax for 30 seconds let alone go back and check every 20 mins or so - we'd be sitting on the balcony or have them in a pushchair asleep next to us. Even in this country I wouldn't be any further away than my garden (and even then we pop in and check if their monitors lose signal!)
so much of the story doesn't add up and I just find myself having a real irrational dislike of both Kate and Gerry McCann - so much so that it probably clouds my judgement now.
Just feel so sorry for the poor little girl, she was the same age as my youngest daughter is now and it doesn't bare thinking about what she must've gone through and (if she was taken) how scared she must've been.
Course not but if my daughter is on holiday with us, even at 20 years of age I still make her tell us she is going to the toilet so we know where she is and when to expect her back. (a pissed up 20 yo girl can be a very clear target going to a toilet)
My sons also 23 Even when on holiday on their own they still check in via whattsapp morning, throughout the day and at night.
Might sound very mollycoddling but they are both doing well in life regardless.
It's not just toddlers who get abducted or assaulted. As a parent you never switch off, we'll, we don't anyway.
as others have said they are guilty of neglect and they are too partly blame for her disappearance.
an example i have used is would you leave 2 babies and a toddler indoors with the door unlocked and go in your next door neighbours for a cuppa for 20 minutes with the door unlocked ( less of a distance than the apartment to the tapas place ). i do not believe the timescales of the checks and what i find difficult is how the babies did not wake up, even stranger was the friend who couldn't remember seeing anything.