Bowyer is always emphasising the crowd is like a 12th man . It obviously makes a difference to an extent.
To an extent, yes but as Leeds showed tonight a loud crowd doesn't win you a game on it's own.
I hope we sing the roof off but a lot of people obsessing over numbers and noise but crowds don't makes saves, put in tackles, slide in passes or score goals.
No need at all to slate Doncaster, and no justification either.
Pretty sure I was one of only 1,600 or so to see Dennis in the last minute at Selhurst. If we can't sell out a local derby in the Premier League against a bitter local rival on a Sunday afternoon, we've got a cheek knocking a smaller club for not selling out a third division match 200 miles away on a Friday night.
Our support for these two play off games is magnificent, but sadly history says the exception rather than the rule.
What was the allocation at Selhurst for that match? From recollection the adult price was £35 for a televised game and Charlton wouldn’t commit to paying for the extra tickets.
Didn't villa take 4000 to Sheffield Wednesday at £40 a pop this season
We’re not Villa, I’m afraid, and £35 15 years ago would be more extreme than £40 now.
No need at all to slate Doncaster, and no justification either.
Pretty sure I was one of only 1,600 or so to see Dennis in the last minute at Selhurst. If we can't sell out a local derby in the Premier League against a bitter local rival on a Sunday afternoon, we've got a cheek knocking a smaller club for not selling out a third division match 200 miles away on a Friday night.
Our support for these two play off games is magnificent, but sadly history says the exception rather than the rule.
What was the allocation at Selhurst for that match? From recollection the adult price was £35 for a televised game and Charlton wouldn’t commit to paying for the extra tickets.
Well we were in the Holmesdale end of the Arthur Waite stand, the bit that away supporters always got allocated up until our last couple of visits, when we've been at the other end of the same stand (putting aside when we got the whole stand for the 1-0 win in the title-winning season). If I recall correctly, the standard allocation (as in what we got in 95/96 in the league match and the play offs, and in 96/97) was just short of 3k. 2,883 is stuck in the "Entirely Useless Information" section of my brain for some reason.
You are definitely right concerning the £35, although at the time I was under the impression that it was some sort of unofficial supporter boycott rather than a club decision - you'd certainly know better than me on that though. The game was some way off being a sell out, maybe 21k, so we could definitely have taken more if we'd wanted to. Whilst the £35 price was undoubtedly a bit of a piss take, I still thought the turnout was pretty disappointing, particularly as we'd had about 8,000 there on our previous visit.
Yes, I’m not sure about the allocation. I do seem to remember that we didn’t sell out, but the price was outrageous at the time - as was Charlton’s pricing for certain non-televised big games at one time.
A loud crowd might not win a game on its own. However, I have not the slightest doubt that Millwall's relative success is down to the intimidating fans.
No need at all to slate Doncaster, and no justification either.
Pretty sure I was one of only 1,600 or so to see Dennis in the last minute at Selhurst. If we can't sell out a local derby in the Premier League against a bitter local rival on a Sunday afternoon, we've got a cheek knocking a smaller club for not selling out a third division match 200 miles away on a Friday night.
Our support for these two play off games is magnificent, but sadly history says the exception rather than the rule.
What was the allocation at Selhurst for that match? From recollection the adult price was £35 for a televised game and Charlton wouldn’t commit to paying for the extra tickets.
Well we were in the Holmesdale end of the Arthur Waite stand, the bit that away supporters always got allocated up until our last couple of visits, when we've been at the other end of the same stand (putting aside when we got the whole stand for the 1-0 win in the title-winning season). If I recall correctly, the standard allocation (as in what we got in 95/96 in the league match and the play offs, and in 96/97) was just short of 3k. 2,883 is stuck in the "Entirely Useless Information" section of my brain for some reason.
You are definitely right concerning the £35, although at the time I was under the impression that it was some sort of unofficial supporter boycott rather than a club decision - you'd certainly know better than me on that though. The game was some way off being a sell out, maybe 21k, so we could definitely have taken more if we'd wanted to. Whilst the £35 price was undoubtedly a bit of a piss take, I still thought the turnout was pretty disappointing, particularly as we'd had about 8,000 there on our previous visit.
Yes, I’m not sure about the allocation. I do seem to remember that we didn’t sell out, but the price was outrageous at the time - as was Charlton’s pricing for certain non-televised big games at one time.
Well quite. That same season in 2004/05 we charged £45 to away fans for some games. Certainly Arsenal as my Gooner pals moaned about it for ages.
No need at all to slate Doncaster, and no justification either.
Pretty sure I was one of only 1,600 or so to see Dennis in the last minute at Selhurst. If we can't sell out a local derby in the Premier League against a bitter local rival on a Sunday afternoon, we've got a cheek knocking a smaller club for not selling out a third division match 200 miles away on a Friday night.
Our support for these two play off games is magnificent, but sadly history says the exception rather than the rule.
What was the allocation at Selhurst for that match? From recollection the adult price was £35 for a televised game and Charlton wouldn’t commit to paying for the extra tickets.
Well we were in the Holmesdale end of the Arthur Waite stand, the bit that away supporters always got allocated up until our last couple of visits, when we've been at the other end of the same stand (putting aside when we got the whole stand for the 1-0 win in the title-winning season). If I recall correctly, the standard allocation (as in what we got in 95/96 in the league match and the play offs, and in 96/97) was just short of 3k. 2,883 is stuck in the "Entirely Useless Information" section of my brain for some reason.
You are definitely right concerning the £35, although at the time I was under the impression that it was some sort of unofficial supporter boycott rather than a club decision - you'd certainly know better than me on that though. The game was some way off being a sell out, maybe 21k, so we could definitely have taken more if we'd wanted to. Whilst the £35 price was undoubtedly a bit of a piss take, I still thought the turnout was pretty disappointing, particularly as we'd had about 8,000 there on our previous visit.
Yes, I’m not sure about the allocation. I do seem to remember that we didn’t sell out, but the price was outrageous at the time - as was Charlton’s pricing for certain non-televised big games at one time.
Well quite. That same season in 2004/05 we charged £45 to away fans for some games. Certainly Arsenal as my Gooner pals moaned about it for ages.
Result was we couldn’t sell all the home tickets to Charlton fans. It came from the board and didn’t have internal support because the business case didn’t stack up. Of course this was only proven by the unsold tickets, after which it was toned down.
No need at all to slate Doncaster, and no justification either.
Pretty sure I was one of only 1,600 or so to see Dennis in the last minute at Selhurst. If we can't sell out a local derby in the Premier League against a bitter local rival on a Sunday afternoon, we've got a cheek knocking a smaller club for not selling out a third division match 200 miles away on a Friday night.
Our support for these two play off games is magnificent, but sadly history says the exception rather than the rule.
What was the allocation at Selhurst for that match? From recollection the adult price was £35 for a televised game and Charlton wouldn’t commit to paying for the extra tickets.
Well we were in the Holmesdale end of the Arthur Waite stand, the bit that away supporters always got allocated up until our last couple of visits, when we've been at the other end of the same stand (putting aside when we got the whole stand for the 1-0 win in the title-winning season). If I recall correctly, the standard allocation (as in what we got in 95/96 in the league match and the play offs, and in 96/97) was just short of 3k. 2,883 is stuck in the "Entirely Useless Information" section of my brain for some reason.
You are definitely right concerning the £35, although at the time I was under the impression that it was some sort of unofficial supporter boycott rather than a club decision - you'd certainly know better than me on that though. The game was some way off being a sell out, maybe 21k, so we could definitely have taken more if we'd wanted to. Whilst the £35 price was undoubtedly a bit of a piss take, I still thought the turnout was pretty disappointing, particularly as we'd had about 8,000 there on our previous visit.
Yes, I’m not sure about the allocation. I do seem to remember that we didn’t sell out, but the price was outrageous at the time - as was Charlton’s pricing for certain non-televised big games at one time.
Yeah, if I recall correctly we were charging the likes of Man U, Arsenal and Chelsea £45 in the Jimmy Seed by the time we got relegated.
I'm the first to moan about ticket prices, and as a lad in his early 20s I was quite price sensitive at the time, but I still thought that turnout at Selhurst was disappointing. I didn't go to Stamford Bridge in 05/06 because they charged us £48. £35 at Selhurst seemed like stretching the current limits, £48 seemed like tearing up whatever had gone before and rewriting the rules, shame they got away with it.
This counting down the tickets reminded me of something and I've just twigged what. Aliens Directors Cut when they've set up the automatic machine guns and they count down how many bullets are left in A, B, C and D.
No need at all to slate Doncaster, and no justification either.
Pretty sure I was one of only 1,600 or so to see Dennis in the last minute at Selhurst. If we can't sell out a local derby in the Premier League against a bitter local rival on a Sunday afternoon, we've got a cheek knocking a smaller club for not selling out a third division match 200 miles away on a Friday night.
Our support for these two play off games is magnificent, but sadly history says the exception rather than the rule.
What was the allocation at Selhurst for that match? From recollection the adult price was £35 for a televised game and Charlton wouldn’t commit to paying for the extra tickets.
Well we were in the Holmesdale end of the Arthur Waite stand, the bit that away supporters always got allocated up until our last couple of visits, when we've been at the other end of the same stand (putting aside when we got the whole stand for the 1-0 win in the title-winning season). If I recall correctly, the standard allocation (as in what we got in 95/96 in the league match and the play offs, and in 96/97) was just short of 3k. 2,883 is stuck in the "Entirely Useless Information" section of my brain for some reason.
You are definitely right concerning the £35, although at the time I was under the impression that it was some sort of unofficial supporter boycott rather than a club decision - you'd certainly know better than me on that though. The game was some way off being a sell out, maybe 21k, so we could definitely have taken more if we'd wanted to. Whilst the £35 price was undoubtedly a bit of a piss take, I still thought the turnout was pretty disappointing, particularly as we'd had about 8,000 there on our previous visit.
Yes, I’m not sure about the allocation. I do seem to remember that we didn’t sell out, but the price was outrageous at the time - as was Charlton’s pricing for certain non-televised big games at one time.
Yeah, if I recall correctly we were charging the likes of Man U, Arsenal and Chelsea £45 in the Jimmy Seed by the time we got relegated.
I'm the first to moan about ticket prices, and as a lad in his early 20s I was quite price sensitive at the time, but I still thought that turnout at Selhurst was disappointing. I didn't go to Stamford Bridge in 05/06 because they charged us £48. £35 at Selhurst seemed like stretching the current limits, £48 seemed like tearing up whatever had gone before and rewriting the rules, shame they got away with it.
I wouldn’t go to Chelsea for the same reason. Think we only had one season of £45 at The Valley though. Went down to £35 after that.
It’s Doncaster. They are not a big club. Did you expect them to sell out the Jimmy Seed or something?
Yes, look at where and who they are playing. If I was a Donnie fan I’d be star struck. That there london and Charlton in a semifinal, (despite not having any real belief that we could win), would be all I’d need to be straight down the pawn shop to hock the wife and whippet and get a ticket.
What is happening with our support for this game is really quite incredible. That’s around 600-700 South Stand tickets sold since 5pm.
I’m convinced if our ground was bigger and better availability had been there over the last five days, we’d be looking at a crowd with 30k plus Charlton supporters in the ground. I’m not fully convinced we would have bettered this when in the Premier League.
Plus back then we obviously had some fans who just had tickets to watch cheap premier league football, now we can at least say the fans are there because they want to watch Charlton. Great effort.
Cue chant from the away end:
"Here for the Donny, You're only here for the Donny".
Seems a shame with many returnees like myself attending (1/2 season) that we dont use the media coverage to have a dig at Roland, without distracting from the important events on the pitch. How about everyone wearing a yellow ribbon to highlight that we have returned and could do so again?
I must admit, I don’t really want the season to end at the moment. I think a lot of what people might perceive as over confidence is more down to the fact that under Bowyer, it feels like we have a club again. I’ve mentioned it already, but he’s worked a minor miracle and the belief, the togetherness, the spirit within that team, has just rubbed off on some fans that were in desperate need to feel good about their club again.
I take nothing away from Donny. I’m as nervous as I am pumped. It’s cliched as hell, but anything can happen and had we even taken a 2 goal lead back to the valley, I still would be fearful. I just truly believe that after everything we’ve been through over the last few years, we’ve got some sort of energy pushing us forward. Might be complete bollocks to many, but I just have a feeling that will carry us through
I expect a very tough game on Friday, but I genuinely feel we have the talent, Bowyer would’ve primed them on the mentality and what it’s like to play in front of such a crowd.
Whatever happens I have pride in my team, my club and my fellow supporters at the moment and that’s a great feeling. It’s gonna be a long 48 hours, but I’m still 100% confident we can do it, and that’s no disrespect to Donny
I agree with this and although we are all naturally fearing the worst, deep down we think we have what it takes to win these play offs - i think that is behind not only our great ticket sales but also the relatively poor ticket sales of the other 3. What i also like about Bowyer is that he was a fundamental part of the last side that did the double over millwall and helped to send them down. Curbs was the manager but i just have a feeling he could be the new curbs and rid us of that gypo curse they seem to have resurrected over us - the future is bright, the future is red and white - COYR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No need at all to slate Doncaster, and no justification either.
Pretty sure I was one of only 1,600 or so to see Dennis in the last minute at Selhurst. If we can't sell out a local derby in the Premier League against a bitter local rival on a Sunday afternoon, we've got a cheek knocking a smaller club for not selling out a third division match 200 miles away on a Friday night.
Our support for these two play off games is magnificent, but sadly history says the exception rather than the rule.
What was the allocation at Selhurst for that match? From recollection the adult price was £35 for a televised game and Charlton wouldn’t commit to paying for the extra tickets.
Didn't villa take 4000 to Sheffield Wednesday at £40 a pop this season
Maybe, but you'd pay £40 just to get out of the West Midlands.
No need at all to slate Doncaster, and no justification either.
Pretty sure I was one of only 1,600 or so to see Dennis in the last minute at Selhurst. If we can't sell out a local derby in the Premier League against a bitter local rival on a Sunday afternoon, we've got a cheek knocking a smaller club for not selling out a third division match 200 miles away on a Friday night.
Our support for these two play off games is magnificent, but sadly history says the exception rather than the rule.
What was the allocation at Selhurst for that match? From recollection the adult price was £35 for a televised game and Charlton wouldn’t commit to paying for the extra tickets.
Didn't villa take 4000 to Sheffield Wednesday at £40 a pop this season
Maybe, but you'd pay £40 just to get out of the West Midlands.
I’ve dedicated my whole life to that having been born and grown up in a Coventry suburb.
I have respect for all the Donny supporters making the trip to the Valley.
I hate it when supporters of big clubs and commentators talk about passionate supporters as if it is exclusive and has anything to do with numbers.
I had a friend that supported Dartford home and away. To me that is harder than following (say) Liverpool with organised trains and coaches. I would also suggest that you would not get the same experience that travelling in numbers gives you.
Back to Donny. I see they got voted the best away experience in league 1.
It does not surprise me as I found the staff (and indeed the local people), very friendly and well organised. Also had enough beer in! The extra effort at coming onto our website to help was quite frankly outstanding.
Quite a contrast to our staff assaulting our own fans! Our club could learn a lot.
No need at all to slate Doncaster, and no justification either.
Pretty sure I was one of only 1,600 or so to see Dennis in the last minute at Selhurst. If we can't sell out a local derby in the Premier League against a bitter local rival on a Sunday afternoon, we've got a cheek knocking a smaller club for not selling out a third division match 200 miles away on a Friday night.
Our support for these two play off games is magnificent, but sadly history says the exception rather than the rule.
What was the allocation at Selhurst for that match? From recollection the adult price was £35 for a televised game and Charlton wouldn’t commit to paying for the extra tickets.
Didn't villa take 4000 to Sheffield Wednesday at £40 a pop this season
They can afford it Chris. Seen how cheap 3 bed semi is up there.
Bowyer is always emphasising the crowd is like a 12th man . It obviously makes a difference to an extent.
To an extent, yes but as Leeds showed tonight a loud crowd doesn't win you a game on it's own.
I hope we sing the roof off but a lot of people obsessing over numbers and noise but crowds don't makes saves, put in tackles, slide in passes or score goals.
I agree, it doesn't win games on its own. But if the crowd lift the players to do those things maybe 1% better then it has an effect. Adrenaline levels will be higher (even just a little) when players see and hear 25,000 fans urging them on rather than a quiet half empty stadium. Higher adrenaline levels equals increased blood flow to muscles, higher blood sugar levels - it does have a positive effect which may or may not be enough to actually turn a loss into a victory.
Bowyer is always emphasising the crowd is like a 12th man . It obviously makes a difference to an extent.
To an extent, yes but as Leeds showed tonight a loud crowd doesn't win you a game on it's own.
I hope we sing the roof off but a lot of people obsessing over numbers and noise but crowds don't makes saves, put in tackles, slide in passes or score goals.
I agree, it doesn't win games on its own. But if the crowd lift the players to do those things maybe 1% better then it has an effect. Adrenaline levels will be higher (even just a little) when players see and hear 25,000 fans urging them on rather than a quiet half empty stadium. Higher adrenaline levels equals increased blood flow to muscles, higher blood sugar levels - it does have a positive effect which may or may not be enough to actually turn a loss into a victory.
Absolutely, and would much rather our players have that 1% than not but it's still just 1%
Bowyer is always emphasising the crowd is like a 12th man . It obviously makes a difference to an extent.
To an extent, yes but as Leeds showed tonight a loud crowd doesn't win you a game on it's own.
I hope we sing the roof off but a lot of people obsessing over numbers and noise but crowds don't makes saves, put in tackles, slide in passes or score goals.
I agree, it doesn't win games on its own. But if the crowd lift the players to do those things maybe 1% better then it has an effect. Adrenaline levels will be higher (even just a little) when players see and hear 25,000 fans urging them on rather than a quiet half empty stadium. Higher adrenaline levels equals increased blood flow to muscles, higher blood sugar levels - it does have a positive effect which may or may not be enough to actually turn a loss into a victory.
Absolutely, and would much rather our players have that 1% than not but it's still just 1%
No need at all to slate Doncaster, and no justification either.
Pretty sure I was one of only 1,600 or so to see Dennis in the last minute at Selhurst. If we can't sell out a local derby in the Premier League against a bitter local rival on a Sunday afternoon, we've got a cheek knocking a smaller club for not selling out a third division match 200 miles away on a Friday night.
Our support for these two play off games is magnificent, but sadly history says the exception rather than the rule.
What was the allocation at Selhurst for that match? From recollection the adult price was £35 for a televised game and Charlton wouldn’t commit to paying for the extra tickets.
Didn't villa take 4000 to Sheffield Wednesday at £40 a pop this season
They can afford it Chris. Seen how cheap 3 bed semi is up there.
I'll get the (free)train tickets sorted for him for viewings.
Amongst all this I want to shout out for the very estimable, wise, quiet, man of the people Mick Everett for putting in a big shift leading up to the game, he undoubtedly will be very busy tomorrow. Thanks Mick, top quality.
Amongst all this I want to shout out for the very estimable, wise, quiet, man of the people Mick Everitt for putting in a big shift leading up to the game, he undoubtedly will be very busy tomorrow. Thanks Mick, top quality.
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I hope we sing the roof off but a lot of people obsessing over numbers and noise but crowds don't makes saves, put in tackles, slide in passes or score goals.
However, I have not the slightest doubt that Millwall's relative success is down to the intimidating fans.
I'm the first to moan about ticket prices, and as a lad in his early 20s I was quite price sensitive at the time, but I still thought that turnout at Selhurst was disappointing. I didn't go to Stamford Bridge in 05/06 because they charged us £48. £35 at Selhurst seemed like stretching the current limits, £48 seemed like tearing up whatever had gone before and rewriting the rules, shame they got away with it.
If I was a Donnie fan I’d be star struck. That there london and Charlton in a semifinal, (despite not having any real belief that we could win), would be all I’d need to be straight down the pawn shop to hock the wife and whippet and get a ticket.
"Here for the Donny,
You're only here for the Donny".
I hate it when supporters of big clubs and commentators talk about passionate supporters as if it is exclusive and has anything to do with numbers.
I had a friend that supported Dartford home and away. To me that is harder than following (say) Liverpool with organised trains and coaches. I would also suggest that you would not get the same experience that travelling in numbers gives you.
Back to Donny. I see they got voted the best away experience in league 1.
It does not surprise me as I found the staff (and indeed the local people), very friendly and well organised. Also had enough beer in! The extra effort at coming onto our website to help was quite frankly outstanding.
Quite a contrast to our staff assaulting our own fans! Our club could learn a lot.
Seen how cheap 3 bed semi is up there.
The players still need to deliver the other 99%
Thanks Mick, top quality.