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Charlton v Sunderland final. Pros and Cons
Dave2l
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PROS;
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We finished 3rd this season. We won 4 more games. Scored more goals. We should be confident. Over 46 games....we were the better side!
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Doncaster.. .in my opinion, were more challenging play off opposition then Portsmouth. For a number of reasons.
We got through it and Doncaster really took us to the wire and did not make it easy!
That will play into our hands. It will remind us that we need to do better!
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We haven't beaten Sunderland this season....so we will want to sort that out. Our energy and work rate may increase due to emotional hunger of "revenge".
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Sunderland will still probably be the bookies favourite.
We like being the underdog. That will play into our hands too.
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We have much better supporters
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Aleady done it before.....in 1998 🙂
CONS;
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Sunderland have a good defensive record and only lost 5 games this season.
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They will be heavily reminded of 1998 and how much they need to change and put a positive spin on it.
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They have already played at Wembley this season. Even more of a reason to want to put things right. They lost that final.
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I'm going to leave it over to you if you would like to fill the rest.
Another pro is.....Taylor told Sunderland to do one....because he wanted to join us.
What a game this is going to be. It will be historic.
This time next week! 🙂
1)
We finished 3rd this season. We won 4 more games. Scored more goals. We should be confident. Over 46 games....we were the better side!
2)
Doncaster.. .in my opinion, were more challenging play off opposition then Portsmouth. For a number of reasons.
We got through it and Doncaster really took us to the wire and did not make it easy!
That will play into our hands. It will remind us that we need to do better!
3)
We haven't beaten Sunderland this season....so we will want to sort that out. Our energy and work rate may increase due to emotional hunger of "revenge".
4)
Sunderland will still probably be the bookies favourite.
We like being the underdog. That will play into our hands too.
5)
We have much better supporters
6)
Aleady done it before.....in 1998 🙂
CONS;
1)
Sunderland have a good defensive record and only lost 5 games this season.
2)
They will be heavily reminded of 1998 and how much they need to change and put a positive spin on it.
3)
They have already played at Wembley this season. Even more of a reason to want to put things right. They lost that final.
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I'm going to leave it over to you if you would like to fill the rest.
Another pro is.....Taylor told Sunderland to do one....because he wanted to join us.
What a game this is going to be. It will be historic.
This time next week! 🙂
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Their play off game at home was probably their lowest crowd of the season or close to it. That’s a telling indication of a team whose supporters are not convinced their team is particularly good.
They’ve drawn an extraordinary number of games this season. A sign of a team and manager that is too cautious or no winning instinct ?
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They lost their top goal scorer in January and replaced him with Will Grigg who ISN’T on fire.0
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Nothing to fear but fear itself.7
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Our fans are on a high, their fans had almost given up and are relying on the fact they took 4 points from us.
We’ve got Lee Bowyer.
Lyle is the best striker in this division.
Aribo will want to prove just how good he is.
Dillon will be our new goalkeeping hero.
Our club needs it more than they do.
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We lost one of our top scorers in January and didn't replace himDanny Addick said:They lost their top goal scorer in January and replaced him with Will Grigg who ISN’T on fire.3 -
Their current squad knows how to lose AND what it feels like to lose at Wembley.
They will be shitting bricks.
Massive advantage in my opinion.1 -
Our performance on Friday night says that it is anybody's game.I would fear for us if Blunderland were to score the first goal.1
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Bradford are the last team that I can remember who played twice at Wembley in a single EFL season, lost the first time but won the second
Shrewsbury played at Wembley twice last season and lost both times to Lincoln and Rotherham
Sunderland haven't won in their last three visits to Wembley (1990 and 1998 in the Play-Offs and 2019 in the EFL Trophy)0 -
You had to go and said it.Danny Addick said:They lost their top goal scorer in January and replaced him with Will Grigg who ISN’T on fire.7 -
Their smallest crowd of the season was bigger than our largest crowd of the season.
their average home attendance for the season will have been more than double ours
their average away following was 2,681ours was 984
they owe us for 1998 the greatest ever game and the footballing gods will repay them back , nothing will ever equal or better that .
we will lose , it’s only fair , don’t be greedy
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I actually think Friday and the way we got through in the end will refocus us
for me the big problem is the way we lined up against Doncaster with Taylor and Parker playing wider roles with Aribo tucked in behind. I’m sure that was to do with Bowyer tactically wanting to address their threat down the wings, but if we adopt that sort of 4-3-3 again, I wouldn’t be too happy. It just seemed to take the threat out of Taylor’s game and I’m just not convinced Parker is able to job further out. I want us to go back to our 4-4-2 diamond. I don’t mind Parker starting, because I don’t think it would be correct to put Taylor up top on his own with say Morgan and Williams out wide, similar to how we started at Oxford.
The big questions for me are whether Solly comes back in and if Williams starts.
for me I would go
Philips
Dijksteel Bauer Sarr Purrington
Bielik
Cullen Aribo
Williams
Parker Taylor
Subs
Maxwell, Solly, Pearce, Pratley, Morgan, Lapslie, Page or Forster Caskey
We’ve got a good week to work on it
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To be fair dont forget at the Valley that Taylor was absolutely terrorising the Sunderland defence when he drifted out into the wide areas
Unfortunately on those occasions we had Grant in the middle we could rely on (Although he did miss a couple of chances that day)1 -
It is a final and it will probably be down to which team plays the occasion best! looking at the betting odds - the bookies can't call it!2
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When he pulls out wide in the second half of games, certainly at the valley, he’s a real threat. It’s Parker I’m more worried about. Looked very out of sorts when over toward the touchline etcForeverAddickted said:To be fair dont forget at the Valley that Taylor was absolutely terrorising the Sunderland defence when he drifted out into the wide areas
Unfortunately on those occasions we had Grant in the middle we could rely on (Although he did miss a couple of chances that day)1 -
Parker has been so pony in front of goal that I’m almost certain if we are to somehow shit on the footballing gods he will be the man to net one or two ........
........hence we aren’t gonna win3 -
I heard a stat from a Sunderland supporter, that North East teams haven’t won in their last 37 attempts at Wembley (don’t know if this is correct or not) - stretching back to 1973 when Sunderland won the FA Cup final.
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What are your percentages saying? Consult those Godsoohaahmortimer said:Parker has been so pony in front of goal that I’m almost certain if we are to somehow shit on the footballing gods he will be the man to net one or two ........
........hence we aren’t gonna win
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Sorry cabbles it’s 38% success for me
I just actually can’t see it
Sunderland can’t have 3 hellish seasons on the spin1 -
This is the best post I’ve seen on our tactics Friday. I didn’t have much problem with us playing the 352, even if we aren’t brilliant in it, as it countered Donny well.cabbles said:I actually think Friday and the way we got through in the end will refocus us
for me the big problem is the way we lined up against Doncaster with Taylor and Parker playing wider roles with Aribo tucked in behind. I’m sure that was to do with Bowyer tactically wanting to address their threat down the wings, but if we adopt that sort of 4-3-3 again, I wouldn’t be too happy. It just seemed to take the threat out of Taylor’s game and I’m just not convinced Parker is able to job further out. I want us to go back to our 4-4-2 diamond. I don’t mind Parker starting, because I don’t think it would be correct to put Taylor up top on his own with say Morgan and Williams out wide, similar to how we started at Oxford.
The big questions for me are whether Solly comes back in and if Williams starts.
for me I would go
Philips
Dijksteel Bauer Sarr Purrington
Bielik
Cullen Aribo
Williams
Parker Taylor
Subs
Maxwell, Solly, Pearce, Pratley, Morgan, Lapslie, Page or Forster Caskey
We’ve got a good week to work on it
Bowyer must really rate Morgan because if we play him CM we sacrifice the effectiveness of Aribo and give Taylor double the workload alongside Parker.
Nothing against Morgan, I’ve very much liked what I’ve seen so far, but we have to drop Aribo back alongside Cullen if we want to win this game.1 -
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They have McGeady who can produce a bit of magic out of nothing. Could be the difference in what will be a nervy tight game.2
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Previous last time I moved house was in early 2011. The first full season was 11/12 League One winners.
I moved house Feb last year. This happens to be the first full season in my current house. Promotion to come again?0 -
Is it certain that they'll have McGeady?ValleyGary said:They have McGeady who can produce a bit of magic out of nothing. Could be the difference in what will be a nervy tight game.
Wasnt it a fractured foot that kept him out of the Semi-Finals0 -
Sunderland has had very recent experienced of playing at Wembley. Our lads could suffer from nerves on the day of such an occasion. Friday was an example of nerves getting to the team.4
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Isn't he injured?ValleyGary said:They have McGeady who can produce a bit of magic out of nothing. Could be the difference in what will be a nervy tight game.0 -
Pros... We potentially dont have to play in the Football League Trophy next season, should put a notice of that all over the dressing room
If that dont make the players come out attacking like Kamikaze warriors then I dont know what will4 -
For the record I want us to never get through the early stages of that comp .ForeverAddickted said:Pros... We potentially dont have to play in the Football League Trophy next season, should put a notice of that all over the dressing room
If that dont make the players come out attacking like Kamikaze warriors then I dont know what will
just imagine getting to a final and playing someone’s u-21 side ffs
and at least the we want a day out at Wembley crowd can get that out of their system next week .
just say no to the checkatrade guff
obviously its it’s great for our younger , outside the first team squad players but from a selfish snob football fans point of view , it makes me feel sick we are that far down the football pyramid that our “first team” is supposed to play against other clubs u-21s4 -
So apart from Non-League teams in the FA Vase (South Shields won @ Wembley in 2017), the below have lost on every occasion at Wembleyricky_otto said:I heard a stat from a Sunderland supporter, that North East teams haven’t won in their last 37 attempts at Wembley (don’t know if this is correct or not) - stretching back to 1973 when Sunderland won the FA Cup final.
Middlesbrough did win the 2004 League Cup but that was in Cardiff - Of course may have missed a team or two depending on what people class as being in the North-EastNewcastle: 1974 | 1976 | 1998 | 1999Sunderland: 1985 | 1990 | 1992 | 1997 | 1998 | 2014 | 2019Middlesbrough: 1998 | 1997 (both FA Cup and League Cup)Hartlepool United: 20051 -
They don't have players anywhere near as good as Taylor or Aribo, 5 minutes on that forum will tell you that.
Their best player is knocked apparently.
We already beat the best team in the play off semis. Do not let the table fool you, Portsmouth and Sunderland were serial chokers this season and their two games were awful to watch.
We can't play as bad as we did in our last game, them holding out looking for a tight win is their best weapon, their ridiculous amount of draws will tell you that.
They are far more likely to get on their teams back with their 'better than this league' mentality. We were crap against Donny and we still kept singing. They concede one and they're up in arms.
They don't better us anywhere on the pitch, at the very best they can match us.
Cons, there ain't any. Win one more game and we are up, you wouldn't mind that at the start of the season so why is it any different now. We play our best, they play their best and we will win this game. It is that simple.
3 nil Mackems16 -
Just looked on Sky Bet, latest odds are, Charlton 13/8, Draw 23/10, Sunderland 13/8 - looks as though the bookies cant call it either.1
