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Try getting Kent police or fire service to respond if your London bus catches fire in Welling high street. Mind you, you can always complain to your Greater London Assembly member or the London mayor.1
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If it's not SE, SW, N, E, NW, W, WC or EC - it aint London!
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Better off waiting for Kent Fire Service to turn up mateAirman Brown said:Try getting Kent police or fire service to respond if your London bus catches fire in Welling high street. Mind you, you can always complain to your Greater London Assembly member or the London mayor.1 -
Airports? You can't beat London Ashford - Lydd, which like Manston is on the Kent coast.
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Southwark was in Surrey, as was Bermondsey (hence Surrey Docks). Deptford was in Kent. Most of Lewisham borough was historically in Kent; Tower Hamlets and Hackney were in Middlesex; Newham was mainly Essex until 1965, despite having E postcodes and was not part of London administratively for most things, even though it is closer to the City than most places west, because the local boroughs of West and East Ham resisted becoming part of London so they could pay lower rates.killerandflash said:
Southwark and Deptford too.Lordflashheart said:
It's mad to think that Kennington was once in Surreykillerandflash said:Surrey play cricket at The Oval but that doesn't mean that anyone would seriously suggest that modern day Kennington isn't part of London!
Looking at a map, the Isle of Dogs were once Middlesex!
So Charlton were a London team before West Ham.
And for all of you saying postcodes decide whether you're in London, what if you're from Sewardstone, E4 and live in the Essex district of Epping Forest?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sewardstone
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Not all of Southwark was in Surrey. The border between Kent and Surrey ran through Southwark at certain parts. Part of the border was actually Surrey docks itself, with Kent one side and Surrey on the other.rananegra said:
Southwark was in Surrey, as was Bermondsey (hence Surrey Docks). Deptford was in Kent. Most of Lewisham borough was historically in Kent; Tower Hamlets and Hackney were in Middlesex; Newham was mainly Essex until 1965, despite having E postcodes and was not part of London administratively for most things, even though it is closer to the City than most places west, because the local boroughs of West and East Ham resisted becoming part of London so they could pay lower rates.killerandflash said:
Southwark and Deptford too.Lordflashheart said:
It's mad to think that Kennington was once in Surreykillerandflash said:Surrey play cricket at The Oval but that doesn't mean that anyone would seriously suggest that modern day Kennington isn't part of London!
Looking at a map, the Isle of Dogs were once Middlesex!
So Charlton were a London team before West Ham.
And for all of you saying postcodes decide whether you're in London, what if you're from Sewardstone, E4 and live in the Essex district of Epping Forest?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sewardstone0 -
Isn't North of the river Scotland, and West of Camberwell Wales?1
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See - we have all learned something new over the last few days, and nobody has fallen out anyone else - must be a CL record ;-)0
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So are Millwall (as in the location of the old and new Den) Surrey or KentMillwallFan said:
Not all of Southwark was in Surrey. The border between Kent and Surrey ran through Southwark at certain parts. Part of the border was actually Surrey docks itself, with Kent one side and Surrey on the other.rananegra said:
Southwark was in Surrey, as was Bermondsey (hence Surrey Docks). Deptford was in Kent. Most of Lewisham borough was historically in Kent; Tower Hamlets and Hackney were in Middlesex; Newham was mainly Essex until 1965, despite having E postcodes and was not part of London administratively for most things, even though it is closer to the City than most places west, because the local boroughs of West and East Ham resisted becoming part of London so they could pay lower rates.killerandflash said:
Southwark and Deptford too.Lordflashheart said:
It's mad to think that Kennington was once in Surreykillerandflash said:Surrey play cricket at The Oval but that doesn't mean that anyone would seriously suggest that modern day Kennington isn't part of London!
Looking at a map, the Isle of Dogs were once Middlesex!
So Charlton were a London team before West Ham.
And for all of you saying postcodes decide whether you're in London, what if you're from Sewardstone, E4 and live in the Essex district of Epping Forest?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sewardstone
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Surrey. New Den is on Surrey Canal Road and is the Lewisham bit of the Rotherhithe postcode (SE16) so no argument there. Old Den it's a bit less clearcut but the old manor of Hatcham was originally under the Hundred of Brixton (Surrey) but the parish of St Pauls's Deptford (Kent). There are marker stones in Vesta Rd Telegraph Hill that put the west side in Surrey and the east in Kent so I'm going to say Millwall started off in Middlesex and ended up in Surrey though by the time they arrived there it was London.killerandflash said:
So are Millwall (as in the location of the old and new Den) Surrey or KentMillwallFan said:
Not all of Southwark was in Surrey. The border between Kent and Surrey ran through Southwark at certain parts. Part of the border was actually Surrey docks itself, with Kent one side and Surrey on the other.rananegra said:
Southwark was in Surrey, as was Bermondsey (hence Surrey Docks). Deptford was in Kent. Most of Lewisham borough was historically in Kent; Tower Hamlets and Hackney were in Middlesex; Newham was mainly Essex until 1965, despite having E postcodes and was not part of London administratively for most things, even though it is closer to the City than most places west, because the local boroughs of West and East Ham resisted becoming part of London so they could pay lower rates.killerandflash said:
Southwark and Deptford too.Lordflashheart said:
It's mad to think that Kennington was once in Surreykillerandflash said:Surrey play cricket at The Oval but that doesn't mean that anyone would seriously suggest that modern day Kennington isn't part of London!
Looking at a map, the Isle of Dogs were once Middlesex!
So Charlton were a London team before West Ham.
And for all of you saying postcodes decide whether you're in London, what if you're from Sewardstone, E4 and live in the Essex district of Epping Forest?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sewardstone2 -
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Thanks. Millwall should stick to hating Palace then, the Surrey derbyrananegra said:
Surrey. New Den is on Surrey Canal Road and is the Lewisham bit of the Rotherhithe postcode (SE16) so no argument there. Old Den it's a bit less clearcut but the old manor of Hatcham was originally under the Hundred of Brixton (Surrey) but the parish of St Pauls's Deptford (Kent). There are marker stones in Vesta Rd Telegraph Hill that put the west side in Surrey and the east in Kent so I'm going to say Millwall started off in Middlesex and ended up in Surrey though by the time they arrived there it was London.killerandflash said:
So are Millwall (as in the location of the old and new Den) Surrey or KentMillwallFan said:
Not all of Southwark was in Surrey. The border between Kent and Surrey ran through Southwark at certain parts. Part of the border was actually Surrey docks itself, with Kent one side and Surrey on the other.rananegra said:
Southwark was in Surrey, as was Bermondsey (hence Surrey Docks). Deptford was in Kent. Most of Lewisham borough was historically in Kent; Tower Hamlets and Hackney were in Middlesex; Newham was mainly Essex until 1965, despite having E postcodes and was not part of London administratively for most things, even though it is closer to the City than most places west, because the local boroughs of West and East Ham resisted becoming part of London so they could pay lower rates.killerandflash said:
Southwark and Deptford too.Lordflashheart said:
It's mad to think that Kennington was once in Surreykillerandflash said:Surrey play cricket at The Oval but that doesn't mean that anyone would seriously suggest that modern day Kennington isn't part of London!
Looking at a map, the Isle of Dogs were once Middlesex!
So Charlton were a London team before West Ham.
And for all of you saying postcodes decide whether you're in London, what if you're from Sewardstone, E4 and live in the Essex district of Epping Forest?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sewardstone
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My grandad used to say,
South Londons England,
North Londons Britain
and then theres the rest of the world3 -
When people ask me if I’m British or English, I say I’m from London.1
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Sink ya teeth into this - '
Where does London stop?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAusbJmRB0c&t=468s
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Eventually the M25 will become the natural border separating London from everywhere else.0
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So, Mottingham (with an M) is in Kent?
The other thing to note is this - Council bounderies break up towns and villages**, but post codes don't, which again suggest the postcode dictates where you are as, as far as I'm aware, county boundaries never go through a town or village, they go round it.
** Example. Depending on where you stand in Mottingham, you could be in either the London Borough of Greenwich, the London Borough of Lewisham or Bromley Borough (Kent), but it's all SE90 -
Postcodes divide places as well. You could be anywhere in Bexleyheath and your council will be the London Borough of Bexley but your postcode could be DA6 or DA7. Brixton is SW2, but central parts of it are also SW9 and SE24. All the same council though.i_b_b_o_r_g said:So, Mottingham (with an M) is in Kent?
The other thing to note is this - Council bounderies break up towns and villages**, but post codes don't, which again suggest the postcode dictates where you are as, as far as I'm aware, county boundaries never go through a town or village, they go round it.
** Example. Depending on where you stand in Mottingham, you could be in either the London Borough of Greenwich, the London Borough of Lewisham or Bromley Borough (Kent), but it's all SE90 -
But its still DA (Dartford) or SW (South West London)rananegra said:
Postcodes divide places as well. You could be anywhere in Bexleyheath and your council will be the London Borough of Bexley but your postcode could be DA6 or DA7. Brixton is SW2, but central parts of it are also SW9 and SE24. All the same council though.i_b_b_o_r_g said:So, Mottingham (with an M) is in Kent?
The other thing to note is this - Council bounderies break up towns and villages**, but post codes don't, which again suggest the postcode dictates where you are as, as far as I'm aware, county boundaries never go through a town or village, they go round it.
** Example. Depending on where you stand in Mottingham, you could be in either the London Borough of Greenwich, the London Borough of Lewisham or Bromley Borough (Kent), but it's all SE90 -
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I thought this was a thread about casinos. Carry on.0
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I opened it expecting to see a thread reminiscing about the good old days at The Cross, Bagley's and turnmills.Off_it said:I thought this was a thread about casinos. Carry on.0 -
SE8s weren't bad and if was in SE80
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London's growth was based on its global trade which was built on the docks and associated industries on the Thames to the east of London. Charlton's decline mirrored the decline of these docks and industries from the 50's onwards. Unfortunately all the money has always ended up in north and west London. With most football clubs now owned by foreigners its probably not so linked but you would think that the regeneration of the 'east thames corridor' can only be a good thing for Charlton in terms of support and in attracting wealthy owners. With Canary Wharf and the O2/peninsula development it could be argued that the centre of London has started to shift eastwards. Regardless, proximity to the Thames makes us far more of a London club than say a palace or a Watford in my book and its hard to pin down the true identity of clubs like millwall and arsenal who started off in one part of London and are now in another. The conclusion is therefore that Charlton is actually The London club - not that it matters really but i've spent a few minutes typing that so might as well post it!!!!!0
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Lyceum on a Friday or Saturday night...0
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People do realise that London has got bigger over the years, right?
The old Roman walls used to mark the boundary back in the day, so anything outside of them obviously isn't London. Or so some on here might have you believe!0 -
The only downside of following the 'Rey.blackpool72 said:
To late.Acab said:
Don’t mention Surrey you’ll wake Blackpool 72 up.killerandflash said:Surrey play cricket at The Oval but that doesn't mean that anyone would seriously suggest that modern day Kennington isn't part of London!
The oval home of South London's finest cricket club.
Charlton and Surrey for me.
Full of spanners and palice.0 -
Not many would agree that post codes are a significant marker of identity.
in Norfolk, for example, you can find Peterborough post codes. In Suffolk you can find Norwich post codes. Post codes are somewhat modern arbitrary lines of division, whereas counties are very very old.
There have been a few reorganizations of local government that have muddied the waters with counties - introduction of local authorities (taking Liverpool out of Lancashire), practical dissolution of some historical counties (Middlesex!) merging of others (Cumberland and Westmorland into Cumbria)
but the historical counties continue to exist.... county cricket being an example of how... local newspaper titles being another
in any case, London is a bit of an anomaly in that it has grown into these historical counties, hence causing discussions like the one in this thread
places like Charlton were historically in Kent, but are now part of London. Same with Palace and Surrey. I can see the temptation to use post codes as the new marker, but it doesn’t work if you look beyond London.
As a a side note, I set out to play cribbage in all 39 historical counties in a year when I moved back to the uk from China. I get into this discussion a bit I’m my write up. You can read about the whole shebang here:
https://cribbageinthecounties.wordpress.com/
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