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VAR - are you a fan?
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Can't wait to see the top 4 get even more help thanks to large crowds and referees too scared to give a decision against them.
The 90s and 00s were a glorious time of referee incompetence.0 -
Hawkeye have a record when they automate it works better and quicker, see Goal-line technology, which no sensible human would be against now.
Same with this I would expect, if you can with tech speed up the decision making, and remove the human error of someone trying to draw a line pixel perfect as is done now, then it just fades into the background0 -
I am waiting for just one ref to be asked to look at the video monitor and then stick with his original decision.
The Liverpool penalty the other week would have been perfect opportunity for the ref to go 'what are you talking about, my decision is fine, stop wasting our time'1 -
Rothko said:Hawkeye have a record when they automate it works better and quicker, see Goal-line technology, which no sensible human would be against now.
Same with this I would expect, if you can with tech speed up the decision making, and remove the human error of someone trying to draw a line pixel perfect as is done now, then it just fades into the background0 -
MrOneLung said:I am waiting for just one ref to be asked to look at the video monitor and then stick with his original decision.
The Liverpool penalty the other week would have been perfect opportunity for the ref to go 'what are you talking about, my decision is fine, stop wasting our time'Was a pleasant surprise to see the ref review his decision and decided he made the right call to begin with. One game (a quarter final I think) the ref went to the monitor 3 times and kept his on field decision all 3 times - all good calls too1 -
addick1956 said:Being offside by a nipple or an elbow seems wrong. I think it should be where the feet are too.
Rule- The hands and arms of all players, including the goalkeepers, are not considered. For the purposes of determining offside, the upper boundary of the arm is in line with the bottom of the armpit.
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Think VAR has been far better this season. But refs continue to be poor. Make a decision and stand by it even if you review on the screen. Too many have changed their minds influenced by the whisper in their ear.
The offside VAR calls have I think, much improved BUT they have to change that rule about when the linno's flag goes up. Somebody is going to get seriously injured in a player on keeper clash and then everybody looks around to see the linno sheepishly sticking up his flag. So you can get badly injured in scoring or attempting to score a goal and your efforts don't count. Ridiculous.
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I am in favour of VAR.
VAR is good for checking the ball crossing the goal line, defining suspect penalties, dodgy offside decisions, bad tackles and cheating.
It falls down when REFs get it wrong after viewing the evidence.0 -
SELR_addicks said:The worst part of football has always been the referees. People actually complaining about technology helping us have more correct decisions in the future in a shorter time frame.
Isn't that what you wanted from VAR in the first place?Refereeing decisions have always been part of the talking points of the game.I’m not sure how 29 viewing angles equates to clear and obvious?!?
Goal line tech only for me. The rest is just nonsense.9 -
stackitsteve said:MrOneLung said:I am waiting for just one ref to be asked to look at the video monitor and then stick with his original decision.
The Liverpool penalty the other week would have been perfect opportunity for the ref to go 'what are you talking about, my decision is fine, stop wasting our time'Was a pleasant surprise to see the ref review his decision and decided he made the right call to begin with. One game (a quarter final I think) the ref went to the monitor 3 times and kept his on field decision all 3 times - all good calls too0 - Sponsored links:
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Tunwellsaddick said:I am in favour of VAR.
VAR is good for checking the ball crossing the goal line, defining suspect penalties, dodgy offside decisions, bad tackles and cheating.
It falls down when REFs get it wrong after viewing the evidence.1 -
Stu_of_Kunming said:Tunwellsaddick said:I am in favour of VAR.
VAR is good for checking the ball crossing the goal line, defining suspect penalties, dodgy offside decisions, bad tackles and cheating.
It falls down when REFs get it wrong after viewing the evidence.1 -
Stu_of_Kunming said:Tunwellsaddick said:I am in favour of VAR.
VAR is good for checking the ball crossing the goal line, defining suspect penalties, dodgy offside decisions, bad tackles and cheating.
It falls down when REFs get it wrong after viewing the evidence.
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I’m a little confused.
I’ve got the Burnley v Liverpool game on and Burnley just had an attack, but the linesman flagged and so the ref whistled before the move had played out. A replay was then shown and the offside call was dubious and certainly borderline (it would definitely need those VAR line things they use)
I was under the impression that the linos were told not to flag until the move has ended - and that’s why there are so many very late flags these days. That’s right isn’t it? Or has that changed?0 -
They're playing Liverpool, rules go out the window.3
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lordromford said:I’m a little confused.
I’ve got the Burnley v Liverpool game on and Burnley just had an attack, but the linesman flagged and so the ref whistled before the move had played out. A replay was then shown and the offside call was dubious and certainly borderline (it would definitely need those VAR line things they use)
I was under the impression that the linos were told not to flag until the move has ended - and that’s why there are so many very late flags these days. That’s right isn’t it? Or has that changed?
The moment they raise their flag... the decision stands1 -
ForeverAddickted said:lordromford said:I’m a little confused.
I’ve got the Burnley v Liverpool game on and Burnley just had an attack, but the linesman flagged and so the ref whistled before the move had played out. A replay was then shown and the offside call was dubious and certainly borderline (it would definitely need those VAR line things they use)
I was under the impression that the linos were told not to flag until the move has ended - and that’s why there are so many very late flags these days. That’s right isn’t it? Or has that changed?
The moment they raise their flag... the decision standsI guess that also reinforces what @SELR_addicks posted before you! 😂0 -
lordromford said:ForeverAddickted said:lordromford said:I’m a little confused.
I’ve got the Burnley v Liverpool game on and Burnley just had an attack, but the linesman flagged and so the ref whistled before the move had played out. A replay was then shown and the offside call was dubious and certainly borderline (it would definitely need those VAR line things they use)
I was under the impression that the linos were told not to flag until the move has ended - and that’s why there are so many very late flags these days. That’s right isn’t it? Or has that changed?
The moment they raise their flag... the decision standsI guess that also reinforces what @SELR_addicks posted before you! 😂0 -
I don’t know whether it’s just me but sometimes I think the var lines are done in a dodgy way. There’s no way to the naked eye that looked offside.0
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Andyessgee90 said:I don’t know whether it’s just me but sometimes I think the var lines are done in a dodgy way. There’s no way to the naked eye that looked offside.0
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ForeverAddickted said:lordromford said:I’m a little confused.
I’ve got the Burnley v Liverpool game on and Burnley just had an attack, but the linesman flagged and so the ref whistled before the move had played out. A replay was then shown and the offside call was dubious and certainly borderline (it would definitely need those VAR line things they use)
I was under the impression that the linos were told not to flag until the move has ended - and that’s why there are so many very late flags these days. That’s right isn’t it? Or has that changed?
The moment they raise their flag... the decision stands2 -
Technology can do what the human eye generally cant do. Referees cant be watching in four directions at once, even with assistants. Particularly behind play , issues can be missed Why do they have a photo finish in horse racing and Hawkeye in tennis etc etc. V A R is a tool to ASSIST, the officials. It should be used mostly for .''off side' decisions and the ball crossing a line, and, possibly for, 'red card'. But that's it. The game should n't be held up for more than 2-3 mins. It creates tension while one waits for a V A R decision, but in the tension ridden game of football 2-3 mins is nothing. It works quite well in the Australian ,A League, here0
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2 - 3 minutes in a game based on players having to keep going and apply pressure without stop for 45 minutes is a long time. This is not rugby or American football. Football is different. 15 seconds max keeps VAR within the spirit of the game.0
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Most decisions are made pretty quickly But it mat take a ref about 20 odd, seconds to get to the bye line ,to look at the screen, and then about another 20- -30 seconds to judge .I feel that this time ,is worth the wait, to get the correct result ==I don't know the rule on how often this will (or can ) happen in a match, but it is rarely more than once in a game ,if at all
V A R would have picked up the' shirt pull'' in the Charlton penalty area, against Wigan .It works--I agree it is not R L or American football ,Thank Christ0 -
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VAR will be introduced for the 2021-22 Championship play-off final at Wembley for the first time, the English Football League has confirmed.
Meanwhile, the league say "discussions remain ongoing" over the use of VAR in the League One and League Two finals.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61429573
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