VAR - are you a fan?

SELR_addicks

Can't wait to see the top 4 get even more help thanks to large crowds and referees too scared to give a decision against them. 

The 90s and 00s were a glorious time of referee incompetence. 

Rothko

Hawkeye have a record when they automate it works better and quicker, see Goal-line technology, which no sensible human would be against now. 

Same with this I would expect, if you can with tech speed up the decision making, and remove the human error of someone trying to draw a line pixel perfect as is done now, then it just fades into the background

MrOneLung

I am waiting for just one ref to be asked to look at the video monitor and then stick with his original decision.

The Liverpool penalty the other week would have been perfect opportunity for the ref to go 'what are you talking about, my decision is fine, stop wasting our time'

Stig

Rothko said:

Hawkeye have a record when they automate it works better and quicker, see Goal-line technology, which no sensible human would be against now. 

Same with this I would expect, if you can with tech speed up the decision making, and remove the human error of someone trying to draw a line pixel perfect as is done now, then it just fades into the background

This is an assumption too far.

stackitsteve

MrOneLung said:

I am waiting for just one ref to be asked to look at the video monitor and then stick with his original decision.

The Liverpool penalty the other week would have been perfect opportunity for the ref to go 'what are you talking about, my decision is fine, stop wasting our time'

It happened a fair amount during the African Cup of Nations. 

Was a pleasant surprise to see the ref review his decision and decided he made the right call to begin with. One game (a quarter final I think) the ref went to the monitor 3 times and kept his on field decision all 3 times - all good calls too

johnnybev1987

addick1956 said:

Being offside by a nipple or an elbow seems wrong.  I think it should be where the feet are too.

I think you cant be in the ones above, firstly the nipple is never going to happen but i get the example. The second one you cannot be offside with your hands/arms:

Rule- The hands and arms of all players, including the goalkeepers, are not considered. For the purposes of determining offside, the upper boundary of the arm is in line with the bottom of the armpit.

Dugdaleclass

Think VAR has been far better this season. But refs continue to be poor. Make a decision and stand by it even if you review on the screen. Too many have changed their minds influenced by the whisper in their ear.

The offside VAR calls have I think, much improved BUT they have to change that rule about when the linno's flag goes up. Somebody is going to get seriously injured in a player on keeper clash and then everybody looks around to see the linno sheepishly sticking up his flag. So you can get badly injured in scoring or attempting to score a goal and your efforts don't count. Ridiculous.



 

Tunwellsaddick

I am in favour of VAR.
VAR is good for checking the ball crossing the goal line, defining suspect penalties, dodgy offside decisions, bad tackles and cheating.
It falls down when REFs get it wrong after viewing the evidence. 

SuedeAdidas

SELR_addicks said:

The worst part of football has always been the referees. People actually complaining about technology helping us have more correct decisions in the future in a shorter time frame. 

Isn't that what you wanted from VAR in the first place?

I disagree. The worst part of football has always been how shit your own team can be. 

Refereeing decisions have always been part of the talking points of the game. 

I’m not sure how 29 viewing angles equates to clear and obvious?!?

Goal line tech only for me. The rest is just nonsense. 

Chizz

stackitsteve said:

MrOneLung said:

I am waiting for just one ref to be asked to look at the video monitor and then stick with his original decision.

The Liverpool penalty the other week would have been perfect opportunity for the ref to go 'what are you talking about, my decision is fine, stop wasting our time'

It happened a fair amount during the African Cup of Nations. 

Was a pleasant surprise to see the ref review his decision and decided he made the right call to begin with. One game (a quarter final I think) the ref went to the monitor 3 times and kept his on field decision all 3 times - all good calls too

They weren't showing replays on his screen though. He was checking the in-play odds.

Stu_of_Kunming

Tunwellsaddick said:

I am in favour of VAR.
VAR is good for checking the ball crossing the goal line, defining suspect penalties, dodgy offside decisions, bad tackles and cheating.
It falls down when REFs get it wrong after viewing the evidence. 

What does VAR stand for, if they are not part of it? 

Chizz

Stu_of_Kunming said:

Tunwellsaddick said:

I am in favour of VAR.
VAR is good for checking the ball crossing the goal line, defining suspect penalties, dodgy offside decisions, bad tackles and cheating.
It falls down when REFs get it wrong after viewing the evidence. 

What does VAR stand for, if they are not part of it? 

Variably Accurate Refereeing

Off_it

Stu_of_Kunming said:

Tunwellsaddick said:

I am in favour of VAR.
VAR is good for checking the ball crossing the goal line, defining suspect penalties, dodgy offside decisions, bad tackles and cheating.
It falls down when REFs get it wrong after viewing the evidence. 

What does VAR stand for, if they are not part of it? 

Exactly right. People saying the technology is not to blame are totally missing the point. Of course the technology isnt to blame, it's just a video after all. The whole system is the problem and its not been doing what it was promised to do - to identify and rectify clear and obvious errors. If it's not doing that then what really is the point of it?

lordromford

I’m a little confused.
I’ve got the Burnley v Liverpool game on and Burnley just had an attack, but the linesman flagged and so the ref whistled before the move had played out. A replay was then shown and the offside call was dubious and certainly borderline (it would definitely need those VAR line things they use)

I was under the impression that the linos were told not to flag until the move has ended - and that’s why there are so many very late flags these days. That’s right isn’t it? Or has that changed?

SELR_addicks

They're playing Liverpool, rules go out the window. 

ForeverAddickted

lordromford said:

I’m a little confused.
I’ve got the Burnley v Liverpool game on and Burnley just had an attack, but the linesman flagged and so the ref whistled before the move had played out. A replay was then shown and the offside call was dubious and certainly borderline (it would definitely need those VAR line things they use)

I was under the impression that the linos were told not to flag until the move has ended - and that’s why there are so many very late flags these days. That’s right isn’t it? Or has that changed?

Its what Linesman are advised to do, but they can still make the call themselves

The moment they raise their flag... the decision stands

lordromford

ForeverAddickted said:

lordromford said:

I’m a little confused.
I’ve got the Burnley v Liverpool game on and Burnley just had an attack, but the linesman flagged and so the ref whistled before the move had played out. A replay was then shown and the offside call was dubious and certainly borderline (it would definitely need those VAR line things they use)

I was under the impression that the linos were told not to flag until the move has ended - and that’s why there are so many very late flags these days. That’s right isn’t it? Or has that changed?

Its what Linesman are advised to do, but they can still make the call themselves

The moment they raise their flag... the decision stands

Ah, right. That explains it. Seems a bit unfair though, as a Burnley player was about to shoot and the decision may well have been wrong.

I guess that also reinforces what @SELR_addicks posted before you! 😂

ForeverAddickted

lordromford said:

ForeverAddickted said:

lordromford said:

I’m a little confused.
I’ve got the Burnley v Liverpool game on and Burnley just had an attack, but the linesman flagged and so the ref whistled before the move had played out. A replay was then shown and the offside call was dubious and certainly borderline (it would definitely need those VAR line things they use)

I was under the impression that the linos were told not to flag until the move has ended - and that’s why there are so many very late flags these days. That’s right isn’t it? Or has that changed?

Its what Linesman are advised to do, but they can still make the call themselves

The moment they raise their flag... the decision stands

Ah, right. That explains it. Seems a bit unfair though, as a Burnley player was about to shoot and the decision may well have been wrong.

I guess that also reinforces what @SELR_addicks posted before you! 😂

He provided the rule in example terms, I went for the rule book approach

Andyessgee90

I don’t know whether it’s just me but sometimes I think the var lines are done in a dodgy way. There’s no way to the naked eye that looked offside. 

ForeverAddickted

Andyessgee90 said:

I don’t know whether it’s just me but sometimes I think the var lines are done in a dodgy way. There’s no way to the naked eye that looked offside. 

I thought it was offside the moment I saw it... Presume you meant the Aston Villa goal

Off_it

ForeverAddickted said:

lordromford said:

I’m a little confused.
I’ve got the Burnley v Liverpool game on and Burnley just had an attack, but the linesman flagged and so the ref whistled before the move had played out. A replay was then shown and the offside call was dubious and certainly borderline (it would definitely need those VAR line things they use)

I was under the impression that the linos were told not to flag until the move has ended - and that’s why there are so many very late flags these days. That’s right isn’t it? Or has that changed?

Its what Linesman are advised to do, but they can still make the call themselves

The moment they raise their flag... the decision stands

Not strictly true - the ref still needs to blow his whistle and make the decision. The lino just indicates that he thinks it's offside for the ref to make the decision, same as they always did. However, refs ain't gonna ignore the flag, particular as it gives them a personal get out of jail card.

paulg1947

Technology can do what the human eye generally cant do. Referees cant be watching in four directions at once, even with assistants. Particularly behind play , issues can be missed Why do they have a photo finish in horse racing and Hawkeye in tennis etc etc. V A R is a tool to ASSIST, the officials. It should be used mostly for .''off side' decisions and the ball crossing a line, and, possibly for, 'red card'. But that's it. The game should n't be held up for more than 2-3 mins. It creates tension while one waits for a V A R decision, but in the tension ridden game of football 2-3 mins is nothing. It works quite well in the Australian ,A League, here

stevexreeve

2 - 3 minutes in a game based on players having to keep going and apply pressure without stop for 45 minutes is a long time. This is not rugby or American football. Football is different. 15 seconds max keeps VAR within the spirit of the game.

paulg1947

 Most decisions are made pretty quickly But it mat take a ref about 20 odd, seconds to get to the bye line ,to look at the screen, and then about another 20- -30 seconds to judge .I feel that this time ,is worth the wait, to get the correct result ==I don't know the rule on how often this will (or can ) happen in a match, but it is rarely more  than once in a game ,if at all
 V A R would have picked up the' shirt pull'' in the Charlton penalty area, against Wigan .It works--I agree it is not R L or American football ,Thank Christ

Callumcafc

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Callumcafc

Tifo Football - Could this technology solve offsides forever?

https://youtu.be/dlDHJxzb7nE

clive

VAR will be introduced for the 2021-22 Championship play-off final at Wembley for the first time, the English Football League has confirmed.
Meanwhile, the league say "discussions remain ongoing" over the use of VAR in the League One and League Two finals.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61429573

masicat

Yes

Callumcafc

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Callumcafc

https://twitter.com/dalejohnsonespn/status/1542780196692058118?s=21&t=JdEzU12j0_RqOUjfmqAy8w