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Bowyer on Talksport 10:20 Today
Dazzler21
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Highlights:
- Joe Aribo is Going to Rangers.
- Rangers is the wrong move right now.
- In footballing terms, Joe will not progress playing against the other Scottish PL sides.
- Joe wasn't made aware of an approach by Brentford by his agent.
- Financially the Agent gets a big deal by going to Rangers.
- A move to Europe or the Premier league will have made more sense.
- Bowyer was never leaving, he always wanted to sign.
Section featuring Bowyer can be found here. The call starts from about 00:19:30 minutes.
https://talksport.com/radio/listen-again/1561626000/1561626000/ & continues https://talksport.com/radio/listen-again/1561626000/1561627800/
- Joe Aribo is Going to Rangers.
- Rangers is the wrong move right now.
- In footballing terms, Joe will not progress playing against the other Scottish PL sides.
- Joe wasn't made aware of an approach by Brentford by his agent.
- Financially the Agent gets a big deal by going to Rangers.
- A move to Europe or the Premier league will have made more sense.
- Bowyer was never leaving, he always wanted to sign.
Section featuring Bowyer can be found here. The call starts from about 00:19:30 minutes.
https://talksport.com/radio/listen-again/1561626000/1561626000/ & continues https://talksport.com/radio/listen-again/1561626000/1561627800/
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So basically Joe is a puppy for his Agent
Certainly not a case of the Agent working on behalf of Joe7 -
Surely that's in breach of rules that?Dazzler21 said:Highlights:
- Joe Aribo is Going to Rangers.
- Rangers is the wrong move right now.
- In footballing terms, Joe will not progress playing against the other Scottish PL sides.
- Joe wasn't made aware of an approach by Brentford by his agent.
- Financially the Agent gets a big deal by going to Rangers.
- A move to Europe or the Premier league will have made more sense.
- He was never leaving, he always wanted to sign.1 -
last line makes no sense
Agents always an easy excuse3 -
Not sure what that interview achieves tbh.
He’s gone, I am sure Bowyer/Gallen did their best to persuade him to stay but the above sounds a little bitter that
a) he did not stay and
b) we get hardly any compo which is what i think has stalled our ‘5’ in more than any sale.2 -
Assumed that was Bowyer talking about himself?Henry Irving said:last line makes no sense
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Bowyer getting panned on Twitter right now by the Ranger Weegies for daring to say Brentford was a better move for Joe.3
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Brentford would storm the Scotch Prem
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I suppose it comes down to football progression and money. 20k a week is a lot for a young lad to turn down but I do think he has a talent that could take him all the way. He has taken a backwards step so either doesn't back himself or puts money above progression. I think he has increased his chances of earning less money over his career with this decision.2
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Bow did say, we knew 100% that he was leaving.Athletico Charlton said:Not sure what that interview achieves tbh.
He’s gone, I am sure Bowyer/Gallen did their best to persuade him to stay but the above sounds a little bitter that
a) he did not stay and
b) we get hardly any compo which is what i think has stalled our ‘5’ in more than any sale.
I agree it did sound bitter that we only get £300k-ish for Joe to go to Rangers, whilst his agent gets a large sum.
Bow did mention that Konsa made a smart move going to Brentford as they're so good at developing players.
No mention however of Shelvey's or Gomez's moves to Liverpool though... IMO a similar move to Rangers but with fewer competitive sides in the SPL.0 -
It is a sad day when Brentford are considered a better bet than us. However, I do see that it would have been a better move for Joe. I think extending his contract by a year with us with a get out clause would have been his best call and he could have played his way to a good Premier League contract. Seems I might have more faith in his ability than he does!6
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This happened 5 years ago mate, where you been?MuttleyCAFC said:It is a sad day when Brentford are considered a better bet than us. However, I do see that it would have been a better move for Joe. I think extending his contract by a year with us with a get out clause would have been his best call and he could have played his way to a good Premier League contract. Seems I might have more faith in his ability than he does!0 -
We would probably come third in it.i_b_b_o_r_g said:Brentford would storm the Scotch Prem
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I am not sure whether I am with Bow or not on this.
I can see the point he is making, but I can understand Joe going to play under one of the two best English midfielders England have produced in many years.
If Gerard goes to Newcastle though, it'd seem a very, very poor move for Joe.
Maybe the delay is that he is waiting to see what happens there?1 -
Aribo's agent sounds like a right bandit!3
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Derby may also be looking for a new manager imminently. Gerard says he is aware of the link being made between him and Derby but is (in the time honoured manner) fully focused on the forthcoming season with Rangers.
Doubts about Gerard’s future could delay Aribo’s transfer but, in truth, I am clutching at straws.
The reference to Brentford’s approach does rather suggest that there was a dearth of other concrete offers to Joe, which I find surprising.0 -
the portfolio of players the agency joe aribo is on is very interesting. josh maja who got a big move to Bordeaux one of the many players1
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Aribo's agent was, I believe, in hot water over something he did in Germany recently. Sounds like a thoroughly unpleasant chap.
His company's client list has some talent on it but I believe he is one of those more motivated by money than the welfare of his players
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/elite-project-group-limited/beraterfirma/berater/5620
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Imagine seeing Joe at The Valley in a Brentford shirt! Agony...2
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Bet Sunderland fans agreeMissed It said:Aribo's agent sounds like a right bandit!
Same agent as Josh Maja who turned down all offers to move outside England too - Makes you wonder what deal Bordeaux paid the Agent in that case too4 - Sponsored links:
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Simon Jordan just said something like Lee Bowyer is angry that Aribo was only allowed to develop because Lee brought him in from being a bit part player under Robinson and focused on developing him and Bowyer is clearly offended because Aribo is ignoring his advice and how he has helped him so far.
Rangers fans only have the UEFA/Europe card as an argument against Bow's points.
A lot think we in England don't respect their league enough.
I'd love to see where Celtic and Rangers would actually end up after 3 years in the English League.2 -
People will say it’s an easy excuse to blame the agent and yes we didn’t offer Aribo much at all in comparison to other clubs, but for a long, long time now both Gallen and Bowyer have said they have spoke to Aribo and he wants to stay, the problem is his agent.
I don’t believe his agent was ever interested in him staying here and done all he can to get as much money for him in a deal as possible. People might argue that is what his job is, but to me it is not. His job is to ensure the best possible career for his client, moving to Rangers just is not that. It’s money motivated and I can see exactly why Bowyer is pissed off.
Bowyer came in and worked on the midfield, took over as manager eventually and look at the difference in Aribo in that time, so he has every right to be disappointed that the hard work put in was for him to leave to a league which the quality is absolutely shocking and I don’t care what others say, you have League Two players moving to the Scottish league, you have had players do well in Scotland but can’t cut it in England. The Championship is far more challenging and if he wants to move to the Premier League eventually, going to Rangers is not going to aid that. The pull of Gerrard I can understand but he isn’t going to be there in a year or so. Signing Aribo is a statement of intent, that is what Gerrard has said. Most likely because he can’t believe it either, a player of his quality going to Scotland.
It’s the wrong move for us financially, it’s the wrong move for Aribo in his progression and development, but it’s an absolute blinding move for his agent.
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I would suggest it's also a blinding move for Aribo's bank accounts.2
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Vague Teams to qualify to play in UEFA in 18/19 season...
Rangers
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Stjarnan
Nomme Kalju
KI Klaksvik
Zalgiris
Fola Esch
Prishtina
Glenavon
Siroki Brijeg
To the Rangers fans using Europe as a reason it will be a good move...
Nice one.3 -
I hate all agents one of the worst things, that has happened in football, they are just blood suckers
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Dont the players have an option to use the PFA as their Agent rather than a third party like what we're seeing here
If so would love to know how many times clubs have been screwed around when its the PFA acting on behalf of the player as in those cases they'll surely have less personal gain out of a deal?
i.e. Remember Garry Nelson saying in his book that he was PFA Chairman and had a young Kim Grant approach him outside the Valley about a new deal we'd offered him, Nelson said that he told Grant to accept it as was in his best interests to stay with us at the time0 -
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As far as I know, the PFA tried to establish a principle where agents would earn fees only from clubs ( like normal search agents) while the PFA would look after the players' interests. I believe it failed to take off because club chairmen didn't support it. Some club chairmen have suspiciously close relationships with some agents. Indeed, see the "scourge of agents", RD and his relationship with Duhan.ForeverAddickted said:Dont the players have an option to use the PFA as their Agent rather than a third party like what we're seeing here
If so would love to know how many times clubs have been screwed around when its the PFA acting on behalf of the player as in those cases they'll surely have less personal gain out of a deal?
i.e. Remember Garry Nelson saying in his book that he was PFA Chairman and had a young Kim Grant approach him outside the Valley about a new deal we'd offered him, Nelson said that he told Grant to accept it as was in his best interests to stay with us at the time
As it stands, agents will always engineer moves, always, and they will push players towards the move that earns the agent the most revenue. That is not an emotional statement. It is a simple description of the business model. No agent furthers his business by endorsing a stay put recommendation to someone like Aribo, when there is interest from other clubs. It stinks, and needs to change fundamentally.
which agency is it, btw? I will try to call them out on Twitter.4 -
PragueAddick said:
As far as I know, the PFA tried to establish a principle where agents would earn fees only from clubs ( like normal search agents) while the PFA would look after the players' interests. I believe it failed to take off because club chairmen didn't support it. Some club chairmen have suspiciously close relationships with some agents. Indeed, see the "scourge of agents", RD and his relationship with Duhan.ForeverAddickted said:Dont the players have an option to use the PFA as their Agent rather than a third party like what we're seeing here
If so would love to know how many times clubs have been screwed around when its the PFA acting on behalf of the player as in those cases they'll surely have less personal gain out of a deal?
i.e. Remember Garry Nelson saying in his book that he was PFA Chairman and had a young Kim Grant approach him outside the Valley about a new deal we'd offered him, Nelson said that he told Grant to accept it as was in his best interests to stay with us at the time
As it stands, agents will always engineer moves, always, and they will push players towards the move that earns the agent the most revenue. That is not an emotional statement. It is a simple description of the business model. No agent furthers his business by endorsing a stay put recommendation to someone like Aribo, when there is interest from other clubs. It stinks, and needs to change fundamentally.
which agency is it, btw? I will try to call them out on Twitter.
Not strictly true, Richard. Some (they are in the minority) will advise against a move in the player's interests and manage their careers to maximise the player (and the agent's) whole career income.2 -
Also another Rangers fan called Bowyer an average player at his best?
Bowyer played 527 career games and scored 79 career goals got 23 career assists and 397 of those games were in the Premier League. 57 goals and 11 assists in the Prem.
5 of his goals were in the Champions League and 10 in the UEFA Cup.
Bowyer played 15 Seasons in the Premier League and the clubs he played for finished:
Season- Leeds 11th
- Leeds 5th
- Leeds 4th
- Leeds 3rd
- Leeds 4th
- Leeds 5th
- Leeds 15th/West Ham18th (Loaned to West Ham for 10 games)
- Leeds 19th
- Newcastle 14th
- Newcastle 7th
- West Ham 15th
- West Ham 10th
- West Ham 9th
- Birmingham 9th
- Birmingham 18th
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