I just hope the policeman that did shoot him doesn’t get dragged through investigations and has his career effected. He should be commended not vilified.
This can’t happen as the instruction to shoot came through the radio, it wasn’t the officer’s call. So basically a free shot.
I think you're wrong there mate. The police were reacting to a threat and I don't think there would have been time to get any orders.
Okay, you obviously have some sort of knowledge, but if what you're saying is correct, what is the point in training these people to react to this kind of incident if they have to wait for the command, in the heat of the moment, to neutralise the threat? The scenario just looked like a text book exercise to me, blokes got a bomb strapped to him in a built up area, one outcome
Okay, you obviously have some sort of knowledge, but if what you're saying is correct, what is the point in training these people to react to this kind of incident if they have to wait for the command, in the heat of the moment, to neutralise the threat? The scenario just looked like a text book exercise to me, blokes got a bomb strapped to him in a built up area, one outcome
They may want to know why the terrorist was’nt killed instantly. He could have detonated the belt after he’d been shot.
Okay, you obviously have some sort of knowledge, but if what you're saying is correct, what is the point in training these people to react to this kind of incident if they have to wait for the command, in the heat of the moment, to neutralise the threat? The scenario just looked like a text book exercise to me, blokes got a bomb strapped to him in a built up area, one outcome
They may want to know why the terrorist was’nt killed instantly. He could have detonated the belt after he’d been shot.
Well this is what I have said in the past (Stockwell), that even an injured person can still detonate a bomb, so shoot to kill must be their policy for this kind of scenario. I'm just asking why they'd need to wait for an order from someone else, not at the scene? Maybe in a hostage type scenario, but in a reactive one such as yesterday?
Although it wasn't reported, I think this bloke was shot dead and died almost instantly at the scene
Okay, you obviously have some sort of knowledge, but if what you're saying is correct, what is the point in training these people to react to this kind of incident if they have to wait for the command, in the heat of the moment, to neutralise the threat? The scenario just looked like a text book exercise to me, blokes got a bomb strapped to him in a built up area, one outcome
They may want to know why the terrorist was’nt killed instantly. He could have detonated the belt after he’d been shot.
Well this is what I have said in the past (Stockwell), that even an injured person can still detonate a bomb, so shoot to kill must be their policy for this kind of scenario. I'm just asking why they'd need to wait for an order from someone else, not at the scene? Maybe in a hostage type scenario, but in a reactive one such as yesterday?
Although it wasn't reported, I think this bloke was shot dead and died almost instantly at the scene
Sure yesterday there were people saying they heard 10/12 shots which was suggest killed instantly but not seen any confirmation of that. Maybe just their minds playing tricks in a panicked situation ?
Okay, you obviously have some sort of knowledge, but if what you're saying is correct, what is the point in training these people to react to this kind of incident if they have to wait for the command, in the heat of the moment, to neutralise the threat? The scenario just looked like a text book exercise to me, blokes got a bomb strapped to him in a built up area, one outcome
They may want to know why the terrorist was’nt killed instantly. He could have detonated the belt after he’d been shot.
Well this is what I have said in the past (Stockwell), that even an injured person can still detonate a bomb, so shoot to kill must be their policy for this kind of scenario. I'm just asking why they'd need to wait for an order from someone else, not at the scene? Maybe in a hostage type scenario, but in a reactive one such as yesterday?
Although it wasn't reported, I think this bloke was shot dead and died almost instantly at the scene
Sure yesterday there were people saying they heard 10/12 shots which was suggest killed instantly but not seen any confirmation of that. Maybe just their minds playing tricks in a panicked situation ?
Yeah maybe, remember the police first said there was one in custody, but they may have put that out there as they thought there were more people involved?
Seems like one of the (4?) people that got involved was a convicted murderer on day release. Crazy how one person being released too soon has led to this attack, whereas another not serving his whole sentence in jail has helped put it to an end.
Seems like one of the (4?) people that got involved was a convicted murderer on day release. Crazy how one person being released too soon has led to this attack, whereas another not serving his whole sentence in jail has helped put it to an end.
Yup. 2 people involved that should have been locked up.
Seems like one of the (4?) people that got involved was a convicted murderer on day release. Crazy how one person being released too soon has led to this attack, whereas another not serving his whole sentence in jail has helped put it to an end.
Ironically the murderer guy was probably breaking day release terms by being there in the first place
Seems like one of the (4?) people that got involved was a convicted murderer on day release. Crazy how one person being released too soon has led to this attack, whereas another not serving his whole sentence in jail has helped put it to an end.
Ironically the murderer guy was probably breaking day release terms by being there in the first place
Seems like one of the (4?) people that got involved was a convicted murderer on day release. Crazy how one person being released too soon has led to this attack, whereas another not serving his whole sentence in jail has helped put it to an end.
Ironically the murderer guy was probably breaking day release terms by being there in the first place
What, being at an offenders convention?
Was that not the terrorist at the convention where he stabbed someone ?
I'm talking about the guy on day release that tackled him on the bridge.
Seems like one of the (4?) people that got involved was a convicted murderer on day release. Crazy how one person being released too soon has led to this attack, whereas another not serving his whole sentence in jail has helped put it to an end.
Ironically the murderer guy was probably breaking day release terms by being there in the first place
What, being at an offenders convention?
Was that not the terrorist at the convention where he stabbed someone ?
I'm talking about the guy on day release that tackled him on the bridge.
Got a feeling they were probably all there mate. There were around 4 or 5 blokes just out of shot who all had the same ID visitor type cards round their necks, so I reckon it started in Fishmongers Hall and they got him out, ending up on the north side of the bridge. Unless it was by sheer coincidence that a murderer, out on day release, was in the vicinity of that particular convention, in which case I stand corrected
Grabbing a fire extinguisher is extremely practical, grabbing a whale tusk is extremely badass. People that run towards these things for a job are heroes, members of the public that do it, when all the advice is to run away, are something beyond that. A lot of people are probably waking up this morning thanks to these guys.
Grabbing a fire extinguisher is extremely practical, grabbing a whale tusk is extremely badass. People that run towards these things for a job are heroes, members of the public that do it, when all the advice is to run away, are something beyond that. A lot of people are probably waking up this morning thanks to these guys.
Yeah proper heroes, not sure I'd have the courage to react the same way under the same circumstances.
Just going over London bridge by train. You can still see the police in attendance on the bridge itself. Brings it home just how close to home it was . RIP the two who died and a speedy recovery to those injured
Looks like he tried to stab the guy with the extinguisher and the third bloke came in and knocked him off balance. Not sure I would have only hit him once with the extinguisher when he was on the ground if he'd had tried to stab me.
Looks like he tried to stab the guy with the extinguisher and the third bloke came in and knocked him off balance. Not sure I would have only hit him once with the extinguisher when he was on the ground if he'd had tried to stab me.
In a similar situation (and I've given it thought, I don't have kids, I'm nearly 90kg and I'm late twenties, I would intervene), if it was a case of a potential suicide bomber I'd cave their head in with whatever I could get my hands on (fire extinguisher seems like a fantastic implement for it), after all, the police will be doing exactly that when they get there.
Im sure like many others, ive walked along London Bridge many many times and will do again. I remember the last incident at Borough Market/London Bridge and there were a few members of the public that bravely fought attackers that night as well or it could of been worse. RIP to those that were sadly killed, so horrible to think that they were probably just there like any other day and will never return home. And well done to those that tackled the scum and stopped anyone else from being killed.
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Although it wasn't reported, I think this bloke was shot dead and died almost instantly at the scene
Crazy how one person being released too soon has led to this attack, whereas another not serving his whole sentence in jail has helped put it to an end.
I'm talking about the guy on day release that tackled him on the bridge.
People that run towards these things for a job are heroes, members of the public that do it, when all the advice is to run away, are something beyond that.
A lot of people are probably waking up this morning thanks to these guys.
You can still see the police in attendance on the bridge itself.
Brings it home just how close to home it was .
RIP the two who died and a speedy recovery to those injured
RIP to the two victims
Not sure I would have only hit him once with the extinguisher when he was on the ground if he'd had tried to stab me.
RIP to those that were sadly killed, so horrible to think that they were probably just there like any other day and will never return home.
And well done to those that tackled the scum and stopped anyone else from being killed.