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Is Thomas Driesen Gone? - he popped in on p16, and back out on p26
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Even if Driesen could spot good players, our recruitment in the summer of 2015 was disastrous because there were far too many players signed because they looked good as individuals, without thinking about whether they would fit into the team or whether they could play in the Championship THAT SEASON. Big clubs can sign talented players for the future, the sort of players who will come good in a year or two, but we needed players who could slot in the first team straight away
Naby Sarr is a classic example. Yes he has talent, which he eventually proved towards the end of his 5 year contract, but he was hopeless when we signed him, and one of the reasons we got relegated. The players we needed were battle hardened centre backs like Michael Morrison and Richard Wood, both dumped by the club7 -
In Chris Powell's words:
“I’d be in my office and there’s a player turning up downstairs with his suitcase, saying he’s come to play. Who is it? It’s Loic Nego, it’s Anil Koç. I don’t even know who they are. ‘We’ve been told you need a winger’ – yeah, but I need a winger who’s used to the Championship, and you’ve got a young boy who’s played three games for Standard off the bench. I mean, that’s not for Charlton. Charlton deserve a player who’s going to improve them.”
I'd Tweet as a reply to Driesen but he's blocked me.26 -
Distasteful? Solly didn't want to play for us, Bows came out and said that.Weegie Addick said:That's very distasteful.
What TD has said is highly probable.0 -
Not sureSimonsen said:
Scott Parker took the worst corner in Charlton history. Went about 1 yard before going out of play. Away to Bradford in Div 2, Championship or whatever the fuck it was called. Hilarious.PopIcon said:
The only memory I have of him was of him taking the worst corner in CAFC history.Oggy Red said:Ceballos got seriously injured early on. And once recovered, sold on to STVV to get his high wages off the books after relegation.
Harsh to judge him a failure, more never really got a fair chance to prove himself.
Cant even remember the match, I know it was away fixture and right in front of us.
I want to say Reading or Derby....
We lost 1-0 (I think).0 -
So all the managers said the same thing about Driesen, but he says they're all lying. Hilarious.
Someone ask him if he's ever found another job in football? Should tell him how good of a job he did here.
Maybe he could put this one on top of his CV, "I discovered Loic Nego"4 -
Nego & Solly at different stages of their career, who would have thought it Tommy boy?4
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I saw Seb Coe run at Crystal Palace before he rose to fame. I said at the time he looked good, an absolute thoroughbred. He rose to Olympic stardom, but I never received the recognition I deserved for spotting him.13
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MattF said:Can't help himself
Steve Gallen overseeing the successful recruitment at Charlton Athletic as director of football while Thomas Driesen is looking for a job. Who would have thought 🤷🏻♂️31 -
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For a bloke whose whole thing is supposed to be good use of statistics and data to make a judgment that's an absolutely criminal comparison. I still think that if not for his injuries Solly could have had a decent few years in the Premier League in the right team. He probably would have followed a similar sort of career path to someone like Simon Francis or Angel Rangel, where if you can go up with a team where you fit in you can play in the Prem for as long as your club can survive there. His injuries reduced his effectiveness, but even then if he'd been able to switch his national allegiance to Hungary he would have been a full international way ahead of Nego. Nego plays in a poor quality league, and the reason he's been able to represent Hungary is because despite his 'tons of potential' no-one has considered taking him out of there since 2014. Hardly a good comparison with a player who was a Championship player last season before injuries seem to have really cut his career off.I think the thing that gets me and everyone else about Driesen is that if he was just a bad bit of judgment by Roland then we wouldn't really think about him anymore - I'd jump at the chance to scout for Charlton and I'm not qualified to do it - but the issue is that he's just such a prick. He only ever pipes up to remind people that a player he 'scouted' nearly 7 years ago just scored a goal, so he's definitely right about everything. What a bell.15
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To be fair to Tommy, they're both the same age (born within 5 days of each other!)cafc999 said:Nego & Solly at different stages of their career, who would have thought it Tommy boy?0 -
Perhaps Elliotttttt will no reinstall him and they can run a pretend football club.Trot on Tommy you Tosser.0
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Nego is no more Hungarian than Solly. Live in a country long enough and you can play for them...In a couple of years Patrick Bauer would probably be eligible to play for England for example!Dazzler21 said:
Well Hungary are probably the equivalent to a League 1 or 2 side at best... so there's that...MattF said:Can't help himself
Also Solly couldn't exactly play for Hungary given his nationality.0 -
BFE Doesn't sound as good though!killerandflash said:
Nego is no more Hungarian than Solly. Live in a country long enough and you can play for them...In a couple of years Patrick Bauer would probably be eligible to play for England for example!Dazzler21 said:
Well Hungary are probably the equivalent to a League 1 or 2 side at best... so there's that...MattF said:Can't help himself
Also Solly couldn't exactly play for Hungary given his nationality.10 -
I've seen Nego a couple of times on the box in European cup games and he looks a good player at right-midfield. He had a couple of good games for Videoton v Chelsea a couple of years back and scored a brilliant volley in the game in Hungary. Given the way we try to play possession football now, he would actually be quite a good fit.0
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That maybe true but when he turned up how many championship games did he have under his belt?killerandflash said:
To be fair to Tommy, they're both the same age (born within 5 days of each other!)cafc999 said:Nego & Solly at different stages of their career, who would have thought it Tommy boy?0 -
Pah, what does Powell know about football?Weegie Addick said:In Chris Powell's words:
“I’d be in my office and there’s a player turning up downstairs with his suitcase, saying he’s come to play. Who is it? It’s Loic Nego, it’s Anil Koç. I don’t even know who they are. ‘We’ve been told you need a winger’ – yeah, but I need a winger who’s used to the Championship, and you’ve got a young boy who’s played three games for Standard off the bench. I mean, that’s not for Charlton. Charlton deserve a player who’s going to improve them.”
I'd Tweet as a reply to Driesen but he's blocked me.1 -
Nego obviously had some talent, he played for France at every youth level from U16 to U20.
Has seemingly carved out a decent career for himself in Hungary, is an international and they're not as bad as some people are saying. In the past year Hungary have beaten Croatia, Serbia, Turkey, Wales and Iceland. It's not like he's playing for San Marino or the Faroes.
He actually might not be a bad signing for us now. But absolutely back then he wasn't right.4 -
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I think Nego like some of the others from the era probably was good enough in terms of ability etc but there's a lot more to fitting in and improving the team than that - personality, experience, leadership.Chris_from_Sidcup said:Nego obviously had some talent, he played for France at every youth level from U16 to U20.
Has seemingly carved out a decent career for himself in Hungary, is an international and they're not as bad as some people are saying. In the past year Hungary have beaten Croatia, Serbia, Turkey, Wales and Iceland. It's not like he's playing for San Marino or the Faroes.
He actually might not be a bad signing for us now. But absolutely back then he wasn't right.
These also happen to be things you can't really quantity with stats. Players like Andy Hughes or Darren Pratley would fail Tommy's quota but were much more important than the number of goals scored or key passes they made.3 -
Steve Gallen married with kids while Driesen still a virgin. Who would have thought.CL_Phantom said:MattF said:Can't help himself
Steve Gallen overseeing the successful recruitment at Charlton Athletic as director of football while Thomas Driesen is looking for a job. Who would have thought 🤷🏻♂️8 -
Looking at Nego these days, I think we'd have to be back in The Championship for him to consider coming to us. If you're doing well in European Cups, International and domestic football, then Championship probably has to be your minimum (albeit Covid has skewed that a bit for now). He has definitely improved with regular football and could still get better.
Nego wasn't ready for 1st XI action when he was with us but he definitely would be now!1 -
Has Tommy ended up working at Dortmund, or is that only on football manager?Ferryman said:
Steve Gallen married with kids while Driesen still a virgin. Who would have thought.CL_Phantom said:MattF said:Can't help himself
Steve Gallen overseeing the successful recruitment at Charlton Athletic as director of football while Thomas Driesen is looking for a job. Who would have thought 🤷🏻♂️0 -
Agreed. A good player, but not what we needed at the timeChris_from_Sidcup said:Nego obviously had some talent, he played for France at every youth level from U16 to U20.
Has seemingly carved out a decent career for himself in Hungary, is an international and they're not as bad as some people are saying. In the past year Hungary have beaten Croatia, Serbia, Turkey, Wales and Iceland. It's not like he's playing for San Marino or the Faroes.
He actually might not be a bad signing for us now. But absolutely back then he wasn't right.
OR we needed the owners/management to be more patient with overseas players, and allow them time to settle in to the English game. It was crazy for example to bring in Tucadean in the summer then dump him 6 months later1 -
Agreed......he should have been dumped after a week!killerandflash said:
Agreed. A good player, but not what we needed at the timeChris_from_Sidcup said:Nego obviously had some talent, he played for France at every youth level from U16 to U20.
Has seemingly carved out a decent career for himself in Hungary, is an international and they're not as bad as some people are saying. In the past year Hungary have beaten Croatia, Serbia, Turkey, Wales and Iceland. It's not like he's playing for San Marino or the Faroes.
He actually might not be a bad signing for us now. But absolutely back then he wasn't right.
OR we needed the owners/management to be more patient with overseas players, and allow them time to settle in to the English game. It was crazy for example to bring in Tucadean in the summer then dump him 6 months later0 -
he’s not he’s got no job in football and is dining out on decisions he made years ago. We need to stop engaging with him and making him relevant.5
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I like Tommy lad.
i think we should bring him back1 -
Started early today with the drinking have we @a@AFKABartram ?AFKABartram said:I like Tommy lad.
i think we should bring him back
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:-) Probably the opposite, Think I’ve only had a drink once in three weeksMiserableoldgit said:
Started early today with the drinking have we @a@AFKABartram ?AFKABartram said:I like Tommy lad.
i think we should bring him back
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