Where are we getting these knobs from Chucking a bottle into your own fans Needs a good hiding
I’ve been back lately after Roland and it seems that our fan base is changing rapidly. Maybe it’s just a ‘new guard’ growing up and moving in but Jesus some of our fans are absolutely vile. I said some. Absolutely no respect for fellow supporters of the same team. Yesterday’s episode included some muppet a few rows down from us just behind bowyer shouting ‘sit down fu¥$ing idiots’ when people stood up for the penalty.
Have to agree with this, seems to be a growing number of idiots following the team now. Guy sitting near me said some borderline racist comments during the game about our own players.
I have to say though I don't think this is a problem only for us. There does seem to be a rise in popularity for a certain type of person and going to football again. It's probably an interesting discussion to have for another time though.
What did the guy say
Called Oshilaja a "black c***“ and said something along the lines of Oztumer should go back to his kebab shop.
Where are we getting these knobs from Chucking a bottle into your own fans Needs a good hiding
I’ve been back lately after Roland and it seems that our fan base is changing rapidly. Maybe it’s just a ‘new guard’ growing up and moving in but Jesus some of our fans are absolutely vile. I said some. Absolutely no respect for fellow supporters of the same team. Yesterday’s episode included some muppet a few rows down from us just behind bowyer shouting ‘sit down fu¥$ing idiots’ when people stood up for the penalty.
Have to agree with this, seems to be a growing number of idiots following the team now. Guy sitting near me said some borderline racist comments during the game about our own players.
I have to say though I don't think this is a problem only for us. There does seem to be a rise in popularity for a certain type of person and going to football again. It's probably an interesting discussion to have for another time though.
What did the guy say
Called Oshilaja a "black c***“ and said something along the lines of Oztumer should go back to his kebab shop.
Where are we getting these knobs from Chucking a bottle into your own fans Needs a good hiding
I’ve been back lately after Roland and it seems that our fan base is changing rapidly. Maybe it’s just a ‘new guard’ growing up and moving in but Jesus some of our fans are absolutely vile. I said some. Absolutely no respect for fellow supporters of the same team. Yesterday’s episode included some muppet a few rows down from us just behind bowyer shouting ‘sit down fu¥$ing idiots’ when people stood up for the penalty.
Have to agree with this, seems to be a growing number of idiots following the team now. Guy sitting near me said some borderline racist comments during the game about our own players.
I have to say though I don't think this is a problem only for us. There does seem to be a rise in popularity for a certain type of person and going to football again. It's probably an interesting discussion to have for another time though.
What did the guy say
Called Oshilaja a "black c***“ and said something along the lines of Oztumer should go back to his kebab shop.
Nothing borderline about either
Well I guess if we're being technical the second could be seen as xenophobic but I'd agree with you. I just didn't want to get into another argument on here about the nuances of what can and can't be a racist comment. Whatever label you put on it I think we can all agree it is disgusting and towards our own players as well just baffling.
Where are we getting these knobs from Chucking a bottle into your own fans Needs a good hiding
I’ve been back lately after Roland and it seems that our fan base is changing rapidly. Maybe it’s just a ‘new guard’ growing up and moving in but Jesus some of our fans are absolutely vile. I said some. Absolutely no respect for fellow supporters of the same team. Yesterday’s episode included some muppet a few rows down from us just behind bowyer shouting ‘sit down fu¥$ing idiots’ when people stood up for the penalty.
Have to agree with this, seems to be a growing number of idiots following the team now. Guy sitting near me said some borderline racist comments during the game about our own players.
I have to say though I don't think this is a problem only for us. There does seem to be a rise in popularity for a certain type of person and going to football again. It's probably an interesting discussion to have for another time though.
What did the guy say
Called Oshilaja a "black c***“ and said something along the lines of Oztumer should go back to his kebab shop.
Nothing borderline about either
Well I guess if we're being technical the second could be seen as xenophobic but I'd agree with you. I just didn't want to get into another argument on here about the nuances of what can and can't be a racist comment. Whatever label you put on it I think we can all agree it is disgusting and towards our own players as well just baffling.
Where are we getting these knobs from Chucking a bottle into your own fans Needs a good hiding
I’ve been back lately after Roland and it seems that our fan base is changing rapidly. Maybe it’s just a ‘new guard’ growing up and moving in but Jesus some of our fans are absolutely vile. I said some. Absolutely no respect for fellow supporters of the same team. Yesterday’s episode included some muppet a few rows down from us just behind bowyer shouting ‘sit down fu¥$ing idiots’ when people stood up for the penalty.
Have to agree with this, seems to be a growing number of idiots following the team now. Guy sitting near me said some borderline racist comments during the game about our own players.
I have to say though I don't think this is a problem only for us. There does seem to be a rise in popularity for a certain type of person and going to football again. It's probably an interesting discussion to have for another time though.
What did the guy say
Called Oshilaja a "black c***“ and said something along the lines of Oztumer should go back to his kebab shop.
FFS I thought we’d left that back in the 80s. How do you deal with this sort of comment though? Saying nothing feels like ‘accepting’ it. Challenging it..... hmmm.. I know I’d be too worried about the reaction to do it
Where are we getting these knobs from Chucking a bottle into your own fans Needs a good hiding
I’ve been back lately after Roland and it seems that our fan base is changing rapidly. Maybe it’s just a ‘new guard’ growing up and moving in but Jesus some of our fans are absolutely vile. I said some. Absolutely no respect for fellow supporters of the same team. Yesterday’s episode included some muppet a few rows down from us just behind bowyer shouting ‘sit down fu¥$ing idiots’ when people stood up for the penalty.
Have to agree with this, seems to be a growing number of idiots following the team now. Guy sitting near me said some borderline racist comments during the game about our own players.
I have to say though I don't think this is a problem only for us. There does seem to be a rise in popularity for a certain type of person and going to football again. It's probably an interesting discussion to have for another time though.
What did the guy say
Called Oshilaja a "black c***“ and said something along the lines of Oztumer should go back to his kebab shop.
FFS I thought we’d left that back in the 80s. How do you deal with this sort of comment though? Saying nothing feels like ‘accepting’ it. Challenging it..... hmmm.. I know I’d be too worried about the reaction to do it
Any reason you shouldn't note the seat number and report it to the club? And if this reply elicits the response from anyone that it's grassing, then you're part of the problem.
Where are we getting these knobs from Chucking a bottle into your own fans Needs a good hiding
I’ve been back lately after Roland and it seems that our fan base is changing rapidly. Maybe it’s just a ‘new guard’ growing up and moving in but Jesus some of our fans are absolutely vile. I said some. Absolutely no respect for fellow supporters of the same team. Yesterday’s episode included some muppet a few rows down from us just behind bowyer shouting ‘sit down fu¥$ing idiots’ when people stood up for the penalty.
Have to agree with this, seems to be a growing number of idiots following the team now. Guy sitting near me said some borderline racist comments during the game about our own players.
I have to say though I don't think this is a problem only for us. There does seem to be a rise in popularity for a certain type of person and going to football again. It's probably an interesting discussion to have for another time though.
What did the guy say
Called Oshilaja a "black c***“ and said something along the lines of Oztumer should go back to his kebab shop.
FFS I thought we’d left that back in the 80s. How do you deal with this sort of comment though? Saying nothing feels like ‘accepting’ it. Challenging it..... hmmm.. I know I’d be too worried about the reaction to do it
Yeah have to admit I feel a bit of shame for not saying something but then like you say I was worried about the reaction as I was on my own and he had 3 or 4 mates with him. I guess I could have said something to a steward but not sure they can throw someone out just on something someone else has told them and it's not like they can watch them the whole game just in case they say something else.
Where are we getting these knobs from Chucking a bottle into your own fans Needs a good hiding
I’ve been back lately after Roland and it seems that our fan base is changing rapidly. Maybe it’s just a ‘new guard’ growing up and moving in but Jesus some of our fans are absolutely vile. I said some. Absolutely no respect for fellow supporters of the same team. Yesterday’s episode included some muppet a few rows down from us just behind bowyer shouting ‘sit down fu¥$ing idiots’ when people stood up for the penalty.
Have to agree with this, seems to be a growing number of idiots following the team now. Guy sitting near me said some borderline racist comments during the game about our own players.
I have to say though I don't think this is a problem only for us. There does seem to be a rise in popularity for a certain type of person and going to football again. It's probably an interesting discussion to have for another time though.
What did the guy say
Called Oshilaja a "black c***“ and said something along the lines of Oztumer should go back to his kebab shop.
FFS I thought we’d left that back in the 80s. How do you deal with this sort of comment though? Saying nothing feels like ‘accepting’ it. Challenging it..... hmmm.. I know I’d be too worried about the reaction to do it
Yeah have to admit I feel a bit of shame for not saying something but then like you say I was worried about the reaction as I was on my own and he had 3 or 4 mates with him. I guess I could have said something to a steward but not sure they can throw someone out just on something someone else has told them and it's not like they can watch them the whole game just in case they say something else.
Dont think you can reproach yourself in those circumstances. At best you'll likely get a shedload of abuse from the pinhead and his mates.
Where are we getting these knobs from Chucking a bottle into your own fans Needs a good hiding
I’ve been back lately after Roland and it seems that our fan base is changing rapidly. Maybe it’s just a ‘new guard’ growing up and moving in but Jesus some of our fans are absolutely vile. I said some. Absolutely no respect for fellow supporters of the same team. Yesterday’s episode included some muppet a few rows down from us just behind bowyer shouting ‘sit down fu¥$ing idiots’ when people stood up for the penalty.
Have to agree with this, seems to be a growing number of idiots following the team now. Guy sitting near me said some borderline racist comments during the game about our own players.
I have to say though I don't think this is a problem only for us. There does seem to be a rise in popularity for a certain type of person and going to football again. It's probably an interesting discussion to have for another time though.
What did the guy say
Called Oshilaja a "black c***“ and said something along the lines of Oztumer should go back to his kebab shop.
FFS I thought we’d left that back in the 80s. How do you deal with this sort of comment though? Saying nothing feels like ‘accepting’ it. Challenging it..... hmmm.. I know I’d be too worried about the reaction to do it
Any reason you shouldn't note the seat number and report it to the club? And if this reply elicits the response from anyone that it's grassing, then you're part of the problem.
I visited the gents around that time and the stewards had some youngster of about 18 restrained at the top of the steps that lead to the fans bar. He was pretty mouthy and aggressive. Must have been him?
Where are we getting these knobs from Chucking a bottle into your own fans Needs a good hiding
I’ve been back lately after Roland and it seems that our fan base is changing rapidly. Maybe it’s just a ‘new guard’ growing up and moving in but Jesus some of our fans are absolutely vile. I said some. Absolutely no respect for fellow supporters of the same team. Yesterday’s episode included some muppet a few rows down from us just behind bowyer shouting ‘sit down fu¥$ing idiots’ when people stood up for the penalty.
Have to agree with this, seems to be a growing number of idiots following the team now. Guy sitting near me said some borderline racist comments during the game about our own players.
I have to say though I don't think this is a problem only for us. There does seem to be a rise in popularity for a certain type of person and going to football again. It's probably an interesting discussion to have for another time though.
What did the guy say
Called Oshilaja a "black c***“ and said something along the lines of Oztumer should go back to his kebab shop.
FFS I thought we’d left that back in the 80s. How do you deal with this sort of comment though? Saying nothing feels like ‘accepting’ it. Challenging it..... hmmm.. I know I’d be too worried about the reaction to do it
When you have the leader of the country referring to “water melon smiles” and “letterboxes” .... yes it’s on it’s way back . Only us fans can do something about it . I would like to think that if you challenged the moron/morons other fans would back you up. But maybe not . As the saying goes ...... for evil to triumph , it just needs good men and women to do nothing
Where are we getting these knobs from Chucking a bottle into your own fans Needs a good hiding
I’ve been back lately after Roland and it seems that our fan base is changing rapidly. Maybe it’s just a ‘new guard’ growing up and moving in but Jesus some of our fans are absolutely vile. I said some. Absolutely no respect for fellow supporters of the same team. Yesterday’s episode included some muppet a few rows down from us just behind bowyer shouting ‘sit down fu¥$ing idiots’ when people stood up for the penalty.
Have to agree with this, seems to be a growing number of idiots following the team now. Guy sitting near me said some borderline racist comments during the game about our own players.
I have to say though I don't think this is a problem only for us. There does seem to be a rise in popularity for a certain type of person and going to football again. It's probably an interesting discussion to have for another time though.
What did the guy say
Called Oshilaja a "black c***“ and said something along the lines of Oztumer should go back to his kebab shop.
FFS I thought we’d left that back in the 80s. How do you deal with this sort of comment though? Saying nothing feels like ‘accepting’ it. Challenging it..... hmmm.. I know I’d be too worried about the reaction to do it
Yeah have to admit I feel a bit of shame for not saying something but then like you say I was worried about the reaction as I was on my own and he had 3 or 4 mates with him. I guess I could have said something to a steward but not sure they can throw someone out just on something someone else has told them and it's not like they can watch them the whole game just in case they say something else.
You’re right, I’m sure the stewards wouldn’t do anything on the say so of one person.
Where are we getting these knobs from Chucking a bottle into your own fans Needs a good hiding
I’ve been back lately after Roland and it seems that our fan base is changing rapidly. Maybe it’s just a ‘new guard’ growing up and moving in but Jesus some of our fans are absolutely vile. I said some. Absolutely no respect for fellow supporters of the same team. Yesterday’s episode included some muppet a few rows down from us just behind bowyer shouting ‘sit down fu¥$ing idiots’ when people stood up for the penalty.
Have to agree with this, seems to be a growing number of idiots following the team now. Guy sitting near me said some borderline racist comments during the game about our own players.
I have to say though I don't think this is a problem only for us. There does seem to be a rise in popularity for a certain type of person and going to football again. It's probably an interesting discussion to have for another time though.
What did the guy say
Called Oshilaja a "black c***“ and said something along the lines of Oztumer should go back to his kebab shop.
FFS I thought we’d left that back in the 80s. How do you deal with this sort of comment though? Saying nothing feels like ‘accepting’ it. Challenging it..... hmmm.. I know I’d be too worried about the reaction to do it
Any reason you shouldn't note the seat number and report it to the club? And if this reply elicits the response from anyone that it's grassing, then you're part of the problem.
Years ago my Dad wrote down the seat number and row of a bloke who regularly shouted out racist comments and who was also abusive to people around where he sat - this was after my Dad complained to a steward who wasn’t interested - Dad wrote to the club, and the bloke was never seen again - turned out other people had written complaining around the same time
So if you write to the club they will (or at least they did years ago) take action - I think in these more enlightened times you are likely to get a result if you do write in - at the very least I would expect the person committing the offence to be called in for a talking to and a warning
Brian Cole said at least 3 times that there is a zero tolerance policy on any anti social behaviour so if the row, seat number is written down and given to the club I'm pretty sure they will do something about it.
Didn't there used to be a number you could text the block, row and seat number during the game to report and racial/offensive behaviour?
Does the club provide a text number for reporting stuff like this? Here in Boston all the teams announce one so you can report behavior without you risking reprisals from the perpetrators.
Brian Cole said at least 3 times that there is a zero tolerance policy on any anti social behaviour so if the row, seat number is written down and given to the club I'm pretty sure they will do something about it.
Didn't there used to be a number you could text the block, row and seat number during the game to report and racial/offensive behaviour?
A text number as described sounds an excellent idea, but will be effective only if well publicised - on the official site, in the matchday programme, and on the big screen. Maybe even on an info flyer on every seat one match? It really is something which needs to be nipped in the bud before the problem grows.
It would also help if texts could be monitored during matches so that, if appropriate, stewards could be alerted to discretely monitor potential offenders, rather than just following up days later.
Maybe something for CASTrust and the Fans Forum to suggest to the club?
They say their role is to 'raise the complaint with the club, governing body or legal authority concerned and monitor the case to ensure appropriate action is taken.' So that seems a good way to go.
Just copied this from the club's website, policies section.
REPORTING AN INCIDENT
If you hear or see any racist abuse at The Valley, then you can report this in a number of ways. You can contact your nearest steward in confidence at the time of the incident, or should you wish, you can contact the club to report an incident via email: fans@cafc.co.uk. Alternatively, you may contact Kick It Out on 0800 169 9414 or email info@kickitout.org.
I think a number to text would be a great additional resource and provide the anonymity which speaking to a steward might not.
Just copied this from the club's website, policies section.
REPORTING AN INCIDENT
If you hear or see any racist abuse at The Valley, then you can report this in a number of ways. You can contact your nearest steward in confidence at the time of the incident, or should you wish, you can contact the club to report an incident via email: fans@cafc.co.uk. Alternatively, you may contact Kick It Out on 0800 169 9414 or email info@kickitout.org.
I think a number to text would be a great additional resource and provide the anonymity which speaking to a steward might not.
It seems like a truly sensible suggestion to take to the club at a fans forum
Like @Chef_addick I also seem to remember a phone number that people could use at the ground.
thing is with say that text number where you can report any anti social behavior, you know full well morons will use it to wind up their mates or others will use it on anyone they don't like or agree with.
Just copied this from the club's website, policies section.
REPORTING AN INCIDENT
If you hear or see any racist abuse at The Valley, then you can report this in a number of ways. You can contact your nearest steward in confidence at the time of the incident, or should you wish, you can contact the club to report an incident via email: fans@cafc.co.uk. Alternatively, you may contact Kick It Out on 0800 169 9414 or email info@kickitout.org.
I think a number to text would be a great additional resource and provide the anonymity which speaking to a steward might not.
It seems like a truly sensible suggestion to take to the club at a fans forum
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How do you deal with this sort of comment though? Saying nothing feels like ‘accepting’ it. Challenging it..... hmmm.. I know I’d be too worried about the reaction to do it
And if this reply elicits the response from anyone that it's grassing, then you're part of the problem.
So if you write to the club they will (or at least they did years ago) take action - I think in these more enlightened times you are likely to get a result if you do write in - at the very least I would expect the person committing the offence to be called in for a talking to and a warning
Didn't there used to be a number you could text the block, row and seat number during the game to report and racial/offensive behaviour?
I've looked on the official site's Contacts section https://www.cafc.co.uk/contacts and cannot see anything relevant.
A text number as described sounds an excellent idea, but will be effective only if well publicised - on the official site, in the matchday programme, and on the big screen. Maybe even on an info flyer on every seat one match? It really is something which needs to be nipped in the bud before the problem grows.
It would also help if texts could be monitored during matches so that, if appropriate, stewards could be alerted to discretely monitor potential offenders, rather than just following up days later.
Maybe something for CASTrust and the Fans Forum to suggest to the club?
https://www.kickitout.org/
They say their role is to 'raise the complaint with the club, governing body or legal authority concerned and monitor the case to ensure appropriate action is taken.' So that seems a good way to go.
thing is with say that text number where you can report any anti social behavior, you know full well morons will use it to wind up their mates or others will use it on anyone they don't like or agree with.