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Washington Redskins to change their name
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change that name AT ONCE ((:>)Redskin said:Er...
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Who is offended? The people that people think should be offended, or the people offended on their behalf?
Have a debate and do the right thing. The process of discussion and review would result in the right outcome. Instead, it seems like a response to virtue signalling multinational purse string holders. Changing stuff like this without a considered process simply creates more division.
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the multiple organisations representing Native Americans ?SporadicAddick said:Who is offended? The people that people think should be offended, or the people offended on their behalf?
Have a debate and do the right thing. The process of discussion and review would result in the right outcome. Instead, it seems like a response to virtue signalling multinational purse string holders. Changing stuff like this without a considered process simply creates more division.9 -
Far too reasoned a comment for the hysteria thirsty masses that encompass these sorts of 'issues'.SporadicAddick said:Who is offended? The people that people think should be offended, or the people offended on their behalf?
Have a debate and do the right thing. The process of discussion and review would result in the right outcome. Instead, it seems like a response to virtue signalling multinational purse string holders. Changing stuff like this without a considered process simply creates more division.
I'm just waiting for the usual overly emotive post to be added that rules out any reason and tells everyone exactly how they should be thinking on such topics. It will also seek to demonise anyone that doesn't jump straight behind the message.6 -
Minnesota glorifying a murderous, slave owning civilisation is probably a little higher on the activists agenda. Maybe the Vikings will be the NFL's next sop.Bilko said:What’s next? Are they going rename the The dog pound at the Browns because cats don’t like it and also stop fans wearing cheeseheads at the Packers because it offends vegans.
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who gives a crap about baseball anyway11
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New York Giants name under review after a complaint from one of CL's mods.
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Would be a constant reminder of when we gave the White House a makeover during the War of 1812!Cordoban Addick said:How about Washington Redcoats?2 -
and the vegans object to the cowboys, rams, tigers and the dolphins, the catholics to the cardinals, and the Indians to the bengalsSantaClaus said:
Minnesota glorifying a murderous, slave owning civilisation is probably a little higher on the activists agenda. Maybe the Vikings will be the NFL's next sop.Bilko said:What’s next? Are they going rename the The dog pound at the Browns because cats don’t like it and also stop fans wearing cheeseheads at the Packers because it offends vegans.
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Big_Bad_World said:
Far too reasoned a comment for the hysteria thirsty masses that encompass these sorts of 'issues'.SporadicAddick said:Who is offended? The people that people think should be offended, or the people offended on their behalf?
Have a debate and do the right thing. The process of discussion and review would result in the right outcome. Instead, it seems like a response to virtue signalling multinational purse string holders. Changing stuff like this without a considered process simply creates more division.
I'm just waiting for the usual overly emotive post to be added that rules out any reason and tells everyone exactly how they should be thinking on such topics. It will also seek to demonise anyone that doesn't jump straight behind the message.I feel deeply offended that you are not offended. Moreover, I am deeply offended that you should consider a poster on CL capable of demonising anyone who didn't feel offended (oh hang on a minute - allow me the opportunity to reconsider that last point).Having considered the last point I will now retire to the naughty step to await the justified criticism for the offence I may have inadvertently (or otherwise) have caused.Please accept my abject apologies.3 - Sponsored links:
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Snyder is a crap owner and Fedex Field is a crap stadium. When I first came to the Washington area there was a ten-year wait for season tickets, and the only way to go to a game was to get lucky by being offered some spares. Leaving aside the issues of "The Offended Industry" that we have over here, the NFL is becoming more and more irrelevant and are desperate to keep "bums in seats", as half-empty stadiums don't make good television, and as with the Prem, that is what's most important.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2015/12/18/how-u-s-marshals-used-redskins-tickets-to-bust-fugitives-in-1985-sting/
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Snyder in 2013: “We’ll never change the name. It’s that simple. NEVER — you can use caps.”SporadicAddick said:Who is offended? The people that people think should be offended, or the people offended on their behalf?
Have a debate and do the right thing. The process of discussion and review would result in the right outcome. Instead, it seems like a response to virtue signalling multinational purse string holders. Changing stuff like this without a considered process simply creates more division.
So it has been debated since at least 2013. Personally I think that is plenty of time, though you are entitled to disagree, of course.3 -
Longer than that. A Native American council had been calling for change in the seventies. Literally the only thing left to debate on this matter is how long it took for change and how that change came about. Rather than doing what was right long ago it seems the ownership have just buckled to pressure from the public and from Nike's actions.Algarveaddick said:
Snyder in 2013: “We’ll never change the name. It’s that simple. NEVER — you can use caps.”SporadicAddick said:Who is offended? The people that people think should be offended, or the people offended on their behalf?
Have a debate and do the right thing. The process of discussion and review would result in the right outcome. Instead, it seems like a response to virtue signalling multinational purse string holders. Changing stuff like this without a considered process simply creates more division.
So it has been debated since at least 2013. Personally I think that is plenty of time, though you are entitled to disagree, of course.6 -
Back home, the Exeter Chiefs are facing a bit of pressure to change their name...
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Fed-Ex's pressure was apparently the tipping point.colthe3rd said:
Longer than that. A Native American council had been calling for change in the seventies. Literally the only thing left to debate on this matter is how long it took for change and how that change came about. Rather than doing what was right long ago it seems the ownership have just buckled to pressure from the public and from Nike's actions.Algarveaddick said:
Snyder in 2013: “We’ll never change the name. It’s that simple. NEVER — you can use caps.”SporadicAddick said:Who is offended? The people that people think should be offended, or the people offended on their behalf?
Have a debate and do the right thing. The process of discussion and review would result in the right outcome. Instead, it seems like a response to virtue signalling multinational purse string holders. Changing stuff like this without a considered process simply creates more division.
So it has been debated since at least 2013. Personally I think that is plenty of time, though you are entitled to disagree, of course.0 -
Missed that one but again goes to prove my point, won't change an offensive name towards a historically persecuted minority until their income is likely going to be hit.limeygent said:
Fed-Ex's pressure was apparently the tipping point.colthe3rd said:
Longer than that. A Native American council had been calling for change in the seventies. Literally the only thing left to debate on this matter is how long it took for change and how that change came about. Rather than doing what was right long ago it seems the ownership have just buckled to pressure from the public and from Nike's actions.Algarveaddick said:
Snyder in 2013: “We’ll never change the name. It’s that simple. NEVER — you can use caps.”SporadicAddick said:Who is offended? The people that people think should be offended, or the people offended on their behalf?
Have a debate and do the right thing. The process of discussion and review would result in the right outcome. Instead, it seems like a response to virtue signalling multinational purse string holders. Changing stuff like this without a considered process simply creates more division.
So it has been debated since at least 2013. Personally I think that is plenty of time, though you are entitled to disagree, of course.0 -
The original peoples that settled in Washington State were the Suquamish Tribe, the most famous of their chiefs being Chief Seattle. I guess the NFL team could recognise the history of the area and honour the local tribe by incorporating some relationship to those facts in their name.
The few Native Americans that I have spoken to over the years consider the term Redskins" as being highly derogatory as is the term "squaw" for women Native Americans.
Whether that means that the reference to redskins should be changed because it offends some, is a matter of personal opinion. I personally am pleased.4 -
Weird how people get offended, about people being offended by names like this. The left are continuously called snow flakes... when the right piss and moan at every opportunity.10
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unless i'm mistaken but i think you are mixing up Washington DC with Washington state which has the city Seattle in it. named after the Indian Chief that you refer to.PeterGage said:The original peoples that settled in Washington State were the Suquamish Tribe, the most famous of their chiefs being Chief Seattle. I guess the NFL team could recognise the history of the area and honour the local tribe by incorporating some relationship to those facts.
The few Native Americans that I have spoken to over the years consider the term Redskins" as being highly derogatory as is the term "squaw" for women Native Americans.
Whether that means that the reference to redskins should be changed because it offends some, is a matter of personal opinion. I personally am pleased.2 -
Different WashingtonPeterGage said:The original peoples that settled in Washington State were the Suquamish Tribe, the most famous of their chiefs being Chief Seattle. I guess the NFL team could recognise the history of the area and honour the local tribe by incorporating some relationship to those facts in their name.
The few Native Americans that I have spoken to over the years consider the term Redskins" as being highly derogatory as is the term "squaw" for women Native Americans.
Whether that means that the reference to redskins should be changed because it offends some, is a matter of personal opinion. I personally am pleased.1 - Sponsored links:
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I've worked with quite a few native Americans in the Washington area, and have yet to meet one who was offended by the Redskins' name. As a matter of fact, several have been avid fans.3
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Oops, if the NFL team are situated in DC rather than Washington State, then I am indeed wrong. Thanks for pointing that out to me!Karim_myBagheri said:
unless i'm mistaken but i think you are mixing up Washington DC with Washington state which has the city Seattle in it. named after the Indian Chief that you refer to.PeterGage said:The original peoples that settled in Washington State were the Suquamish Tribe, the most famous of their chiefs being Chief Seattle. I guess the NFL team could recognise the history of the area and honour the local tribe by incorporating some relationship to those facts.
The few Native Americans that I have spoken to over the years consider the term Redskins" as being highly derogatory as is the term "squaw" for women Native Americans.
Whether that means that the reference to redskins should be changed because it offends some, is a matter of personal opinion. I personally am pleased.0 -
Weird how people think people are offended by others being offended, when they're clearly not
Another of those funny tactics deployed to rubbish any angle other than the one pushed by, mainly, white folk attempting to speak on behalf of a minority.5 -
Maybe these Native Americans should go on a course on how they should be offended.limeygent said:I've worked with quite a few native Americans in the Washington area, and have yet to meet one who was offended by the Redskins' name. As a matter of fact, several have been avid fans.9 -
I'm all for changing names and logos of things that are offensive, but I'm struggling to see how this one is.
The indians' logo was an offensive and cartoonish portrayal of native American stereotypes, so that had to go, but the redskins name and logo is no more offensive than the Blackhawks logo, is there mass clamouring to change that?0 -
RUN, here come the
1. Quiyoughcohannocks
2. Redskins
I think 2 would roll off an English tongue a lot easier.1 -
The bloke in the crowd who shouts gimme a 'q' for the first one deserves a good kicking.7
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For someone that don't give a fuck, you certainly jumped back on the thread quick enough to pretend you dont care.... ironically while speaking for a minority. I bet you're an all lives matter kinda guy...Big_Bad_World said:Weird how people think people are offended by others being offended, when they're clearly not
Another of those funny tactics deployed to rubbish any angle other than the one pushed by, mainly, white folk attempting to speak on behalf of a minority.7 -
Atlanta Falcons - many mice must have suffered at the claws of this bird of prey
Arizona Cardinals - too Roman Catholic, what about all the other religions?
Baltimore Ravens - known for shitting on the Tower of London, not good
Buffalo Bills - what about all the 'Toms', 'Bobs' and 'Daves' out there?
Carolina Panthers - scary big cat, too scary
Chicago Bears - scary animals, too scary
Cincinnati Bengals - offensive to lions
Cleveland Browns - what about all the other colours?
Dallas Cowboys - you can't just reference 'boys'. Where's the equality?
Denver Broncos - wild horses are no longer allowed. Only tame horses please.
Detroit Lions - offensive to tigers
Green Bay Packers - an important part of the warehousing process but what about all the other functions?
Houston Texans - too statist
Indianapolis Colts - a young, uncastrated male horse!!! Disgusting.
Jacksonville Jaguars - another scary big cat
Kansas City Chiefs - denotes a leader or ruler of people, hierarchy isn't good
Las Vegas Raiders - a person who attacks an enemy in their territory; a marauder. Just no
LA Rams - too male orientated. Try LA Ewes.
Miami Dolphins - countless schools of fish not happy
Minnesota Vikings - no, Vikings were bad
New England Patriots - can't be having any patriotic names
New Orleans Saints - connected to Christianity and doesn't acknowledge other religions or evil people.
New York Giants - offensive to small people
New York Jets - offensive to helicopters
Philadelphia Eagles - another bird of prey which upsets smaller mammals/animals
Pittsburgh Steelers - named after Pittsburgh's steel industry. Difficult to know what to get offended about but i'll think of something
San Francisco 49ers - name comes from the prospectors who arrived in Northern California in the 1849 gold rush. Lucky they didn't arrive in 1869.
Seattle Seahawks - another name for an osprey, a large fish-eating raptor in the hawk family, too scary
Tampa Bay Buccaneers - too piratey
Tennessee Titans - another physically large reference, offensive to littluns
Washington Redskins - no
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Who doesn't give a fuck? Who said anything along those lines? Who said anything about caring either way? Don't worry, rad man, you frame it all your own way so it computes in your head properly.shine166 said:
For someone that don't give a fuck, you certainly jumped back on the thread quick enough to pretend you dont care. I bet you're an all lives matter kinda guyBig_Bad_World said:Weird how people think people are offended by others being offended, when they're clearly not
Another of those funny tactics deployed to rubbish any angle other than the one pushed by, mainly, white folk attempting to speak on behalf of a minority.
Ah, you've slung the all lives matter brush at me as well. Stay classy. Bellend
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