he's not been sacked, just not their lead commentator anymore - probably just an age thing.
am sure BT or Sky will snap him up - barely anything left on ITV to commentate on (apart from England)
If that were the case then it would be unlawful.
agree and pretty sure no one has actually said that
given the amount of football Sky have, I'm surprised they've not offered him a gig - as ITV's no2 what has he got to do???
But Tyldesley might claim it - and the response from him would indicate that it wasn't a mutually agreed decision, or one that he agreed with in any way.
I would expect a threat of a claim of age discrimination and a subsequent Settlement Agreement reached. (if I was advising him, anyway!)
Can’t stand him. Contrived lines that are pre-prepared purely to work as soundbites, rather than being able to react naturally to big moments.
Unless he is an employee, I don’t see what the issue is here. If he’s a contractor then it’s their choice how they continue their coverage, whether it be with or without him.
It wouldn't be unlawful. Practically everybody working in public media rolls (presenters, commentators, pundits, actors, etc.) are essentially contractors on short term contracts. Clive will be technically self employed and contracted by ITV each year. They are simply choosing not renew his contract (or to offer him a different, lesser contract). Employment law doesn't come into it for a second, they are free to offer contracts and terms as they wish. I imagine Clive provides commentary for a number of different organisations and has a large number of other media gigs and income streams (after dinner speaking, etc.) so he couldn't even argue he as a defacto employee of ITV.
Clive Tyldesley has said he is "upset, annoyed" and "baffled" to lose his post as ITV's lead football commentator, saying: "I do not know why this decision has been taken."
Tyldesley, who has voiced ITV's biggest matches for 22 years, is to be replaced from the start of next season by TalkSport's Sam Matterface.
ITV thanked Tyldesley for his "superb work", saying he will still commentate "particularly at major tournaments".
It wouldn't be unlawful. Practically everybody working in public media rolls (presenters, commentators, pundits, actors, etc.) are essentially contractors on short term contracts. Clive will be technically self employed and contracted by ITV each year. They are simply choosing not renew his contract (or to offer him a different, lesser contract). Employment law doesn't come into it for a second, they are free to offer contracts and terms as they wish. I imagine Clive provides commentary for a number of different organisations and has a large number of other media gigs and income streams (after dinner speaking, etc.) so he couldn't even argue he as a defacto employee of ITV.
If that is the case and he is genuinely self-employed then, no, he would not have employment rights. For example if he was contracted to provide commentaries on a match by match basis and on a business to business arrangement.
An individual can have both employment and self-employment income so his other income streams may or may not be relevant.
One caveat though - if he was for example, on an annual fixed-term employment contract with ITV that could either be renewed or not, then after 4 years it is by law considered a permanent contract.
I would add that even if self-employed he would still be able to bring a claim for age discrimination - albeit in the civil courts rather than an Employment Tribunal. The Equality Act 2010 covers all citizens, not just employees!
Sorry but what a prick. 22 years in the entertainment industry is a hell of a good run. He gets well paid to fly around the world watching football. Gets him a decent garden. Not even sacked, just doing the semi final not the final. He could say nothing, put out a jokey tweet asking if Sam Matterface can sort him two together for Villa on Sunday but he does this stupid whoa is me thing. Same moan that that prick from 5 Live Alan Green came up with.
At least Motson admitted that he was fed up travelling and was happy to carry on working wherever. (he's odd, worked with him a bit, hates foreign food and is amazingly nervous before a broadcast).
It wouldn't be unlawful. Practically everybody working in public media rolls (presenters, commentators, pundits, actors, etc.) are essentially contractors on short term contracts. Clive will be technically self employed and contracted by ITV each year. They are simply choosing not renew his contract (or to offer him a different, lesser contract). Employment law doesn't come into it for a second, they are free to offer contracts and terms as they wish. I imagine Clive provides commentary for a number of different organisations and has a large number of other media gigs and income streams (after dinner speaking, etc.) so he couldn't even argue he as a defacto employee of ITV.
If that is the case and he is genuinely self-employed then, no, he would not have employment rights. For example if he was contracted to provide commentaries on a match by match basis and on a business to business arrangement.
An individual can have both employment and self-employment income so his other income streams may or may not be relevant.
One caveat though - if he was for example, on an annual fixed-term employment contract with ITV that could either renewed or not, then after 4 years it is by law considered a permanent contract.
From discussions on TalkSport between Adrian Durham and Goughie, they're both self employed, they don't do a show they don't get paid. Now Durham has been there a very long time, so presumably for him not to be an employee then he must have an umbrella company, and from that he sell his services to TalkSport, whichever newspapers he has regular columns in and any other media gigs he has. There must be some common workarond, unless they're on zero hour contracts, but those didn't even exist when Durham started at TalkSport.
Anyway, going back to Tyldsley, he provides what, a dozen or less commentaries a year for ITV. He'll simply be contracted each time I would have thought. I can't believe they'd want anything too binding in place as they'll only have a rough idea of times and locations of games in a lot of cases, so can't see either side wanting anything too restrictive in place.
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They don't think a 65 year old will be as well received as 42 year old.
Weird if it is their reason. Only other thing it could be is that they ran a survey and asked people to choose their preferred commentator.
Is he an employee?
This must have been coming. It happens to the best of 'em. And he is certainly not the best.
am sure BT or Sky will snap him up - barely anything left on ITV to commentate on (apart from England)
If that were the case then it would be unlawful.
can't even centre the heading correctly ..
given the amount of football Sky have, I'm surprised they've not offered him a gig - as ITV's no2 what has he got to do???
Unless he is an employee, I don’t see what the issue is here. If he’s a contractor then it’s their choice how they continue their coverage, whether it be with or without him.
Clive Tyldesley has said he is "upset, annoyed" and "baffled" to lose his post as ITV's lead football commentator, saying: "I do not know why this decision has been taken."
Tyldesley, who has voiced ITV's biggest matches for 22 years, is to be replaced from the start of next season by TalkSport's Sam Matterface.
ITV thanked Tyldesley for his "superb work", saying he will still commentate "particularly at major tournaments".
Tyldesley said he had not stepped down.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-53404899
Sorry but what a prick. 22 years in the entertainment industry is a hell of a good run. He gets well paid to fly around the world watching football. Gets him a decent garden. Not even sacked, just doing the semi final not the final. He could say nothing, put out a jokey tweet asking if Sam Matterface can sort him two together for Villa on Sunday but he does this stupid whoa is me thing. Same moan that that prick from 5 Live Alan Green came up with.
At least Motson admitted that he was fed up travelling and was happy to carry on working wherever. (he's odd, worked with him a bit, hates foreign food and is amazingly nervous before a broadcast).
Anyway, going back to Tyldsley, he provides what, a dozen or less commentaries a year for ITV. He'll simply be contracted each time I would have thought. I can't believe they'd want anything too binding in place as they'll only have a rough idea of times and locations of games in a lot of cases, so can't see either side wanting anything too restrictive in place.