I'm having to let it go ... if you get too close, if you get too worked up about it, we could all get sick, it's not good for us, I bet there is a study showing that supporting a shite football team will shorten your life expectancy.
I'm back to hoping Roland drops dead,so the neck clamp he put on this club years ago may be, finally, wrenched free...
Bowyer has a specific way of playing that, he feels, is the best way to get points which is 1-0 and with a decent striker that was working, we then live by the seat of our pants, but the players are all tired, that goal was inevitable, I'm angry at myself that I even let a drop o hope fall in when we went 1 up, and it took me a few hours to get over that after the game.
88% chance of us going down now, and I'll be ****** if I am holding on to any hope as it has hurt me 80% of the time over the years.
It's hard to see your team trying their very best, giving their all but the lack of quality is brutally obvious. Thanks Roland,your lack of interest in our football club will likely see us relegated.
I know Bow's has done an excellent job considering our miniscule budget. But his defensive tactics with more than 10 minutes to go failed again.
Was it necessary to take Doughty off? He was our outlet, causing them massive problems. All to late now, we need a lot of luck to stay in this division. Keep the faith, especially when we're hurting.
As with the Reading game, we did enough against Brum to earn more points than we got. After a nervous first few minutes we grew into the game and certainly had the better of the second half, with two or three great opportunities to seal victory before that late sucker punch. What I would say is that we look better when the play is open and end to end. As soon as we go into our shell and try to see the game out, everyone becomes nervous (much like us watching) and fearful of making a mistake. It has happened so many times this season, partly due to negative substitutes, but also I think due to the mindset of the players, they drop off and invite the pressure. Fingers crossed for a Hull v Luton draw now, as that may just be enough to save us.
With such a lot riding on the outcome and both sets of players low on confidence, there were bound to be a lot of nerves on display. That was, however, an exceptionally poor quality game, which would certainly not have been out of place in League 1. Charlton made an extremely shaky start, got of jail by virtue of Dillon's penalty save and, save for a couple of bright moments, showed their customary lack of punch up front. We were better in the second half, although Bonne's goal came after Birmingham had enjoyed a brighter spell. McGeady's shot against the post and Camp's point blank save from Bonne denied us the second goal and the insurance that we all, in our heart of hearts, knew we'd need.
Birmingham were a very poor side but we did the old Charlton thing of sitting too deep and inviting the opposition on. The substitutions - other than Aneke for the hopeless Hemed - didn't help, although Doughty had taken a heavy knock and Field, Williams and McGeady may have been feeling leggy. Whatever the thinking was, we were unable to put two passes together in the latter stages and were just camped in and around our box - hence the introduction of Naby towards the end to try and counter Birmingham's aerial bombardment. Pulling absolutely everyone back to within 40 yards of our goal was not a smart play, given the absence of anything resembling an 'out ball', especially against an opponent whose principal tactic is to stick the ball in the mixer. An alternative approach would have been to try and keep the ball and manage the game effectively but that is something that appears totally beyond us.
In the event, Bellingham, who added some quality to an otherwise bovine side, put a good ball in which somehow ended up in the net. A crushing finale, with just 4 minutes or so between us and salvation. We would almost certainly have stayed up if we’d won although, on one view, we don’t really deserve to do so, given our inability to beat a side who had gone 11 games without a win and lost their last 5 at home.
The portents are not great, given that Wigan have achieved 9 clean sheets in their last 10 games, whereas we've scored just 4 in our last 10. Leeds may well be Champions before next Wednesday or just need a point to confirm it, but I am sure that Bielsa will be demanding a committed performance from them.
We have to pray for a draw in Luton v Hull and that Blackburn turn up in the final game at Luton. A point against Wigan is possible and, whilst they may have scored 8 on Tuesday, Keith Peacock reminded us recently in his Community Trust interviews that his Gillingham side once scored 18 goals in 2 games (including a 10-0 against second placed Chesterfield) and then proceeded to go on a goal drought. Wigan will certainly be going for the 3 points to confirm their safety, although I fully expect them to beat Fulham in their final game, especially as Parker is bound to rest some key players for the play-offs.
We might conceivably squeak home on 48 points but a lot of other results have to go our way. I also think that Huddersfield are quite capable of losing their last two games to WBA and Millwall. As straw-clutching goes, that's probably a better bet than the EFL ever reaching a verdict on Wednesday's alleged misdemeanours.
There is still some hope but I fear that the darkness of League 1 beckons.
This result is such a huge blow now needing to beat Wigan is such a huge task. What makes it worse is they have something to play for. sigh sigh supporting Charlton is so hard one crisis to the next.
I knew it. Didn't watch the game but two beeps on the phone in quick succession which woke me could only mean one thing: a late goal followed by the full time whistle. And which team has let in so many late goals this year? When I checked the score the only surprise was we hadn't lost 1-0!
It ain't over yet. Wigan have kept so many clean sheets recently and scored eight on Tuesday. Charlton haven't scored more than one in a game since February. It can only point to a big win for the Addicks.
The last three games we've looked like we were outnumbered on the pitch. We've looked like what we are, a League One side playing against Championship sides. Earlier in the season when we had effective strikers our problem areas on the pitch were not so obvious. The only reason we're still in these games late on is because of how hard these players work for Lee Bowyer. When some of these players are subbed they look completely knackered because of all the running they've done, there's nothing left in the tank. The blame and frustration for the way we're losing points should still fall, in my mind, firmly at the feet of Roland Duchatelet, not Lee Bowyer's substitutions.
Gutting but no change. Beat Wigan we stay up, providing Barnsley do no better than draw tomorrow. Even had we won tonight, lose to Wigan Saturday we were in the brown stuff. Mission Wigan, and if the mcgeady that played tonight turns up we have got a chance.
I know what you are saying but I don’t agree that 49 points wouldn’t stay up. I guarantee you that it will be enough to stay above Barnsley and 2 out of 4 from Hull, Luton, Wigan or Hudds. Mark my words.
I'm having to let it go ... if you get too close, if you get too worked up about it, we could all get sick, it's not good for us, I bet there is a study showing that supporting a shite football team will shorten your life expectancy.
I'm back to hoping Roland drops dead,so the neck clamp he put on this club years ago may be, finally, wrenched free...
Bowyer has a specific way of playing that, he feels, is the best way to get points which is 1-0 and with a decent striker that was working, we then live by the seat of our pants, but the players are all tired, that goal was inevitable, I'm angry at myself that I even let a drop o hope fall in when we went 1 up, and it took me a few hours to get over that after the game.
88% chance of us going down now, and I'll be ****** if I am holding on to any hope as it has hurt me 80% of the time over the years.
So that's that.
F***** f****** f***
What is the secret to ‘getting over it’? I can’t shake off the anger, even after sleeping (not very well) on it. We all sat there when the extra 7 minutes were announced, all went “What? 7 minutes? No way” and then predicted the inevitable but, even so, it makes it no less hard to take.
I am now now clinging onto the fact that Wigan recently only drew 0-0 with Barnsley as the last strand of hope that we can get at least one more point. 48 point may very well be enough.
Woke up early as the result is still bugging me. It is wrong not to say Bowyer isn't an excellent manager as much as it is wrong not to say Powell was for us. Their flaws are something many managers share and something they have in common. Some teams are better at seeing out games than others. Generally we defend ok but I have noticed we are not a team that can sustain backs to the wall defending for too long.
We need respite to set up again. Williams is a great player to help you get that because he draws fouls and having free kicks is your most effective way of resetting and closing a game down. We sit very deep and clear the ball to an opponent who attacks us again and again and that absolutely doesn't suit us.
I know the level is completely different but I have experienced the same situation. If you are leading by an only goal it is incredibly difficult and counter intuitive not to defend it. Your opponents have nothing to lose so they push up and take risks. They are effectively forcing your hand though. You HAVE to think about exploiting those risks at the other end. When you fail to do this, they push up even more and even a pub team could put you under pressure. You only have to look at our results this season to see that this approach has cost us too many points. If we were better at defending in this situation, fair enough. We are relatively good defensively, but have mistakes in us which costs us when the ball keeps coming back.
2 hours reading the shenanigans thread and this therapy based load of waffle for the insane /deluded/depressed crank filled collection of Charlton fruit bats Thread , red circular marks on my legs, half a ton of fucking Cadbury’s dispatched down khazi, 2Rolls of andrex sent down with the Cadbury’s , shattered and tired all day now , angry and fucked off . no doubt the Mrs will want to get us all out for a 700 mile walk round wanky Epping Forest cos them fucking divs(my sons)have been twatting on their psfucking4’s for too long . when the inevitable equaliser went in from the most pathetic of opposition we could ever have hoped to play (excluding ourselves) it killed me inside , my hatred of our shitshow of a club reached millwallistic levels , a kick in the nuts is still a kick in the nuts no matter when it arrives .
Individual errors of significant magnitude are always available from us to provide the oppo with a gift or two .
we are as good as down , Hull apart , the other teams down there are currently better than us (we were better than them with Conor , Leko and Taylor around ) which doesn’t guarantee them survival but they all have more about them than us . 4 goals in ten games says it all .
we are heading for the third tier yes that load of shit where I pray for defeat in the checkedshirttwunt trophy , call me a footballing snob and I am , i can’t dress up that it’s fun playing rochdale, Accrington bloody Stanley or whoever else is in those leagues when palace and the scum are leagues above us .
since 1935 when we left the 3rd tier up till 2009 we spent 4 seasons on 2 separate spells in the 3rd tier we are about to enter the 3rd tier for a third time (7th season) in 12 seasons , this is shit
but it’s actually all worse than that cos the merry go round of c***ery known as the charlton clownership circus continues with unbounded fuckwittery of the highest order and we’re not even sure if we’ll have a club to wind us up in years to come (the scum will still exist i suppose)
I would say if we lose our next two games, relegation is 90% likely. If we draw one, 70% and if we win against Wigan 2%. So it really comes down to whether we can beat Wigan. It isn't impossible but if we score first by any means, we know we will do what we did yesterday and so it is hard to make a case for us winning unless the gods are smiling on us big time.
I think I do have to defend Bonne a bit here. Yes, he should have done better with his great chance, but at this moment he is a work in progress. He scores goals and misses goals but other players don't get into the positions to score goals and miss goals. He has to start for us because he is one of the few players we have who scores goals. Given where he has come from, he has done well for us this season.
I would say that Hemed generally looks better than Bonne but Hemed doesn't get the chances Bonne does or score goals. So this is a case of judging what stats tell you rather than what you are seeing as it can be deceptive.
The only good thing is we didn't lose 2-1 because I could see that happening. Those below us now need a WIN to overtake us assuming we get no more points which is entirely possible although I hope we might scrap another draw against Wigan and not get too hammered at Leeds.
Glad I voted Phillips Player of the Year.
Bowyer has worked an absolute miracle to keep us out of the bottom 3 all season, bar that one potentially crucial week, with just 2 games to go.
Our luck must turn and we get something out of one of these two remaining games.
Sorry about the 'stream of consciousness' incoherence but despite being inured to disappointment from 57 years of Charlton I'm feeling it more than normal tonight.
We are of exactly the same vintage in terms of supporting the club and I am feeling much the same this morning.
Even if relegation is avoided, any close season is going to be consumed by ownership shenanigans without much prospect of assembling a squad strong enough to avoid another season of struggle on the pitch, and that will apply equally if relegated.
We gave Birmingham energy, with the subs in the 77th minute. We retreated and suddenly Birmingham were dangerous again. At a time when we needed to make sure the next Dortmund wonder kid didn't get the ball we put the reversing lights on.
We were never going to hold out for 20 minutes. ( Including added time)
The Brentford and Leeds victories were freak results at the Valley, and football folk knew they were the best 2 teams that would come to the cafc all season. Having the Alamo as your blueprint for success was always going to end in tears.
Disappointed with Lee Bowyer's comments after the match. He has had to try to run a football club with a civil war going on off the pitch. For his sake if it can't be resolved very soon he has to accept a new challenge at another Championship club where he can continue his management career.
All the football fans I spoke to who have coached and managed ( 4 including me !) thought the subs in the 77th minute were wrong and gave the initiative to Birmingham. We all thought so at the time, not 20 minutes later in retrospect.
Ok, if it's Jackson as manager in League 1, with Davidson, Morgan etc in front of 7 or 8k ( if Covid allows ?) then so be it.
If we are still in the Championship then we may be in for a record low return unless the shocking Nimer/Southall/Duchatelet era at Cafc isn't resolved before the 2020/21 season gets going.
I refuse to blame the players that are still giving everything despite CAFC being a laughing stock off the pitch. Southall makes Duchatelet seem like a nice guy.
It should be a good game Saturday where Wigan and us both have to win...
More so for Wigan as a point might be enough for us... But that is a big ask really.
The key though after last night is how we will line up and what formation we go for?
Haven’t got a scooby any more...but I do know this.... we've been punching above our weight for sooooo long that eventually the towel gets thrown in.
Its nobodys fault except the owners... All of them past and present.
I just hope that LB can get every player to run themselves into the ground on Saturday.... One last final round where maybe a wild haymaker strikes the opposition on the chin and you pull off a victory.....sorry for boxing analogies but my dad was a boxer and this seemed apt..
If I hear I don’t know why you get so annoyed over a game of football you shouldn’t watch it if it upsets you, one more time......:... I normally have a journey home to get over it,( let’s be honest I don’t but the beers help dull the pain) but when you’re stuck indoors you don’t have that luxury.
Oh fuck off Bowyer. Managers like you should learn not to try & defend every time we are leading with 20 mins to go. Don't go round blaming a striker who had never played higher than League 2.
Do you not remember away at Bristol City or Millwall or Sheff Wed......or home to Hull where if we had seen the game it we would now be safe.
Thankfully Bowyer did not fuck off when Robinson walked and we were heading nowhere in League One and turned it into the play offs
Thankfully Bowyer did not fuck off in the pre season afterwards when he could not full the bench for the 1st game.
Thankfully Bowyer did not fuck off when he got us promoted.
Thankfully Bowyer did not fuck off when the owner messed him around with a contract.
Thankfully Bowyer did not fuck off during either transfer window this season where he was offered so little he has a worse team and squad than what he had in the league below
Those tactics that have seen us be in the relegation zone once in 44,when virtually everybody said we had no chance this season.
An absolute sickener – but we did not deserve to win. Brum had 24
shots to our seven. Phillips made excellent saves, best of all diving
to his right to parry a fierce low shot through a crowd.
We had 60 per cent
of the possession – most of it ineffective. Pissing about on the
halfway line, putting team-mates under pressure with hospital balls. One of our perennial problems
is strikers like statues – no movement to make space or invite passes from midfield. And when Hemed and Bonne do eventually get
possession, they haven’t the skill or cunning to threaten the goal.
Doughty accelerates
and leaves the defender for dead – and two minutes later makes a
basic mistake, leaving us exposed. Chuks did well as sub, driving at
the defence. Our central defenders were resolute as usual: Lockyer
made vital last-ditch tackles.
McGeady is bang
ordinary at best. Cullen made errors: causing the penalty was the
worst of several. Crowley and Gardner bossed the game in Brum’s
favour.
Brum, Boro and Stoke
seem to be safe. Will we avoid the drop? By one point, one place...?
Doughty was really dangerous in attacking areas, but struggled a bit defensively. I don't get why he cannot just start at left midfield, his actual position and play a LB (Purrington) at LB
He's a left back by trade.
Agree that he should play left mid as far up as poss. Why not?! Hes so dangerous. He made that easy for bonne.
Id have Purri behind him. Then can double up if need to defensive but also have a threat. Ditto with matthews and oshi.
I cant believe that we didnt try and get it to hemeds head once! Surely thats what he is known for?
From memory, I know we had games in hand after Chris Powell was sacked at HT in the Sheffield United cup game but didn't we rely on a small group of players to get us through the 3 games a week till the end of season ? Probably the highlight of Diego Poyet's short career so far when his fetch and carry style was so effective under Riga the first time round.
We either have too many players who can't play 90 minutes or Bowyers thinks they can't play longer. Williams drawing fouls from Sunderland was the catalyst for our win at Wembley. I would have made sure he went the distance for the full 90 last night.
Whether you are a manager in the competitive youth leagues or the Premier the buck stops with the Manager. And those of us who have had moaning parents know it's no easier in park football ! And that was after winning a semi final when I made no subs which is unheard of in youth football. Only the parents of the 4 subs complained who didn't get on !
I actually thought that was our worst performance since lockdown. We gave the ball away a lot and looked much less assured at the back than we have, against a very poor Birmingham side. Should still have won and Bowyer despite being a hero is well worthy of criticism now for failing to learn about these ridiculously defensive attempts to hold out games, only last week we got stitched up by it, we should have left one of doughty and Williams on to stretch them.
that said, we’ve played okay in every game- we were very unfortunate to lose all 3 before last night. I’m furious and gutted and feel like I’ve been going through 24/7 torture for 4 months, butttt
We can do this. Need to pick ourselves up and need Cullen back to form as he was not himself yesterday and that has a huge effect, but we can do. If we could manage a point against Wigan that alone will give us a good chance, anything more than from the last 2 games combined and we’ll definitely survive.
Not sure I understand the desperation to play Doughty at LW. Last night was about as attacking a side as Bowyer could put out. Doughty playing as a wing back got forward plenty, his heat map shows he spent most of his time in the opposition half. Williams naturally cuts inside a lot so that usually will give more space for Doughty to run in to.
I do wonder sometimes if people have watched football before.
Not sure about the abuse Bowyer is getting. We have a weak squad that’s best ability is defending, we’ve looked pretty solid since the break. We are barely league one quality going forward. We quite easily could have been 2 up but missed a couple of sitters. Personally I think we tried to defend the lead a bit early but we are a bottom 3 side scrapping to be 4th from bottom and Bowyer makes the call which if it comes off, he’s a hero. Not sure Williams was going to help us with the inevitable Birmingham onslaught. It’s disappointing but we aren’t doomed yet and the state of the clubs ownership is more worrying for me.
Bottom line is, we just aren't good enough to compete in the Championship. The team is weaker overall than last season's League One promotion team. When we needed strengthening in January we were instead depleted further, with Conor being pulled out of the ESI mad-house.
This is Charlton, so you never know. We might go and beat in-form Wigan, or go spoil Leeds' promotion party, but with such a powder puff attack it feels very unlikely.
I fear that relegation beckons and although that hurts, to be brutally honest I don't care about that half as much as I do about FINALLY getting decent owners. If we're in League One next season with the current charlatans still hanging on for their grubby payday I don't think the Valley will be seeing much of yours truly for a while.
Bottom line is, we just aren't good enough to compete in the Championship. The team is weaker overall than last season's League One promotion team. When we needed strengthening in January we were instead depleted further, with Conor being pulled out of the ESI mad-house.
This is Charlton, so you never know. We might go and beat in-form Wigan, or go spoil Leeds' promotion party, but with such a powder puff attack it feels very unlikely.
I fear that relegation beckons and although that hurts, to be brutally honest I don't care about that half as much as I do about FINALLY getting decent owners. If we're in League One next season with the current charlatans still hanging on for their grubby payday I don't think the Valley will be seeing much of yours truly for a while.
Gutting result, but all this doom and gloom is strange - it’s still in our hands - we are not in bottom 3, have a better goal difference, we are not Hull, we can beat Wigan, we played well against Brum, we have shown character
But I agree - subs were poor choices and too early
We go again Saturday at home and hopefully with fire in our bellies over the injustice of drawing at Brum
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I'm back to hoping Roland drops dead,so the neck clamp he put on this club years ago may be, finally, wrenched free...
Bowyer has a specific way of playing that, he feels, is the best way to get points which is 1-0 and with a decent striker that was working, we then live by the seat of our pants, but the players are all tired, that goal was inevitable, I'm angry at myself that I even let a drop o hope fall in when we went 1 up, and it took me a few hours to get over that after the game.
88% chance of us going down now, and I'll be ****** if I am holding on to any hope as it has hurt me 80% of the time over the years.
So that's that.
F***** f****** f***
It's hard to see your team trying their very best, giving their all but the lack of quality is brutally obvious.
Thanks Roland,your lack of interest in our football club will likely see us relegated.
I know Bow's has done an excellent job considering our miniscule budget. But his defensive tactics with more than 10 minutes to go failed again.
Was it necessary to take Doughty off? He was our outlet, causing them massive problems.
All to late now, we need a lot of luck to stay in this division.
Keep the faith, especially when we're hurting.
What I would say is that we look better when the play is open and end to end. As soon as we go into our shell and try to see the game out, everyone becomes nervous (much like us watching) and fearful of making a mistake. It has happened so many times this season, partly due to negative substitutes, but also I think due to the mindset of the players, they drop off and invite the pressure.
Fingers crossed for a Hull v Luton draw now, as that may just be enough to save us.
With such a lot riding on the outcome and both sets of players low on confidence, there were bound to be a lot of nerves on display. That was, however, an exceptionally poor quality game, which would certainly not have been out of place in League 1. Charlton made an extremely shaky start, got of jail by virtue of Dillon's penalty save and, save for a couple of bright moments, showed their customary lack of punch up front. We were better in the second half, although Bonne's goal came after Birmingham had enjoyed a brighter spell. McGeady's shot against the post and Camp's point blank save from Bonne denied us the second goal and the insurance that we all, in our heart of hearts, knew we'd need.
Birmingham were a very poor side but we did the old Charlton thing of sitting too deep and inviting the opposition on. The substitutions - other than Aneke for the hopeless Hemed - didn't help, although Doughty had taken a heavy knock and Field, Williams and McGeady may have been feeling leggy. Whatever the thinking was, we were unable to put two passes together in the latter stages and were just camped in and around our box - hence the introduction of Naby towards the end to try and counter Birmingham's aerial bombardment. Pulling absolutely everyone back to within 40 yards of our goal was not a smart play, given the absence of anything resembling an 'out ball', especially against an opponent whose principal tactic is to stick the ball in the mixer. An alternative approach would have been to try and keep the ball and manage the game effectively but that is something that appears totally beyond us.
In the event, Bellingham, who added some quality to an otherwise bovine side, put a good ball in which somehow ended up in the net. A crushing finale, with just 4 minutes or so between us and salvation. We would almost certainly have stayed up if we’d won although, on one view, we don’t really deserve to do so, given our inability to beat a side who had gone 11 games without a win and lost their last 5 at home.
The only reason we're still in these games late on is because of how hard these players work for Lee Bowyer. When some of these players are subbed they look completely knackered because of all the running they've done, there's nothing left in the tank. The blame and frustration for the way we're losing points should still fall, in my mind, firmly at the feet of Roland Duchatelet, not Lee Bowyer's substitutions.
I am now now clinging onto the fact that Wigan recently only drew 0-0 with Barnsley as the last strand of hope that we can get at least one more point. 48 point may very well be enough.
Still fucking fuming we've conceded ANOTHER injury time goal.
We'd be mid-table and planning for next season if we could see out games. 8 points dropped in injury time this season, its beyond a joke.
We need respite to set up again. Williams is a great player to help you get that because he draws fouls and having free kicks is your most effective way of resetting and closing a game down. We sit very deep and clear the ball to an opponent who attacks us again and again and that absolutely doesn't suit us.
I know the level is completely different but I have experienced the same situation. If you are leading by an only goal it is incredibly difficult and counter intuitive not to defend it. Your opponents have nothing to lose so they push up and take risks. They are effectively forcing your hand though. You HAVE to think about exploiting those risks at the other end. When you fail to do this, they push up even more and even a pub team could put you under pressure. You only have to look at our results this season to see that this approach has cost us too many points. If we were better at defending in this situation, fair enough. We are relatively good defensively, but have mistakes in us which costs us when the ball keeps coming back.
no doubt the Mrs will want to get us all out for a 700 mile walk round wanky Epping Forest cos them fucking divs(my sons)have been twatting on their psfucking4’s for too long .
when the inevitable equaliser went in from the most pathetic of opposition we could ever have hoped to play (excluding ourselves) it killed me inside , my hatred of our shitshow of a club reached millwallistic levels , a kick in the nuts is still a kick in the nuts no matter when it arrives .
Individual errors of significant magnitude are always available from us to provide the oppo with a gift or two .
we are as good as down , Hull apart , the other teams down there are currently better than us (we were better than them with Conor , Leko and Taylor around ) which doesn’t guarantee them survival but they all have more about them than us .
4 goals in ten games says it all .
we are heading for the third tier yes that load of shit where I pray for defeat in the checkedshirttwunt trophy , call me a footballing snob and I am , i can’t dress up that it’s fun playing rochdale, Accrington bloody Stanley or whoever else is in those leagues when palace and the scum are leagues above us .
since 1935 when we left the 3rd tier up till 2009 we spent 4 seasons on 2 separate spells in the 3rd tier
we are about to enter the 3rd tier for a third time (7th season) in 12 seasons , this is shit
but it’s actually all worse than that cos the merry go round of c***ery known as the charlton clownership circus continues with unbounded fuckwittery of the highest order and we’re not even sure if we’ll have a club to wind us up in years to come (the scum will still exist i suppose)
relegation 83%
survival 17%
I would say that Hemed generally looks better than Bonne but Hemed doesn't get the chances Bonne does or score goals. So this is a case of judging what stats tell you rather than what you are seeing as it can be deceptive.
Even if relegation is avoided, any close season is going to be consumed by ownership shenanigans without much prospect of assembling a squad strong enough to avoid another season of struggle on the pitch, and that will apply equally if relegated.
God, it’s hard supporting this club.
We were never going to hold out for 20 minutes. ( Including added time)
The Brentford and Leeds victories were freak results at the Valley, and football folk knew they were the best 2 teams that would come to the cafc all season. Having the Alamo as your blueprint for success was always going to end in tears.
Disappointed with Lee Bowyer's comments after the match. He has had to try to run a football club with a civil war going on off the pitch. For his sake if it can't be resolved very soon he has to accept a new challenge at another Championship club where he can continue his management career.
All the football fans I spoke to who have coached and managed ( 4 including me !)
thought the subs in the 77th minute were wrong and gave the initiative to Birmingham. We all thought so at the time, not 20 minutes later in retrospect.
Ok, if it's Jackson as manager in League 1, with Davidson, Morgan etc in front of 7 or 8k ( if Covid allows ?) then so be it.
If we are still in the Championship then we may be in for a record low return unless the shocking Nimer/Southall/Duchatelet era at Cafc isn't resolved before the 2020/21 season gets going.
I refuse to blame the players that are still giving everything despite CAFC being a laughing stock off the pitch. Southall makes Duchatelet seem like a nice guy.
More so for Wigan as a point might be enough for us... But that is a big ask really.
The key though after last night is how we will line up and what formation we go for?
Haven’t got a scooby any more...but I do know this.... we've been punching above our weight for sooooo long that eventually the towel gets thrown in.
Its nobodys fault except the owners... All of them past and present.
I just hope that LB can get every player to run themselves into the ground on Saturday.... One last final round where maybe a wild haymaker strikes the opposition on the chin and you pull off a victory.....sorry for boxing analogies but my dad was a boxer and this seemed apt..
COYR.... One last go... please for all us.
I normally have a journey home to get over it,( let’s be honest I don’t but the beers help dull the pain) but when you’re stuck indoors you don’t have that luxury.
Thankfully Bowyer did not fuck off in the pre season afterwards when he could not full the bench for the 1st game.
Thankfully Bowyer did not fuck off when he got us promoted.
Thankfully Bowyer did not fuck off when the owner messed him around with a contract.
Thankfully Bowyer did not fuck off during either transfer window this season where he was offered so little he has a worse team and squad than what he had in the league below
Those tactics that have seen us be in the relegation zone once in 44,when virtually everybody said we had no chance this season.
We either have too many players who can't play 90 minutes or Bowyers thinks they can't play longer. Williams drawing fouls from Sunderland was the catalyst for our win at Wembley. I would have made sure he went the distance for the full 90 last night.
Whether you are a manager in the competitive youth leagues or the Premier the buck stops with the Manager. And those of us who have had moaning parents know it's no easier in park football !
And that was after winning a semi final when I made no subs which is unheard of in youth football. Only the parents of the 4 subs complained who didn't get on !
that said, we’ve played okay in every game- we were very unfortunate to lose all 3 before last night. I’m furious and gutted and feel like I’ve been going through 24/7 torture for 4 months, butttt
We can do this. Need to pick ourselves up and need Cullen back to form as he was not himself yesterday and that has a huge effect, but we can do. If we could manage a point against Wigan that alone will give us a good chance, anything more than from the last 2 games combined and we’ll definitely survive.
I do wonder sometimes if people have watched football before.
This is Charlton, so you never know. We might go and beat in-form Wigan, or go spoil Leeds' promotion party, but with such a powder puff attack it feels very unlikely.
I fear that relegation beckons and although that hurts, to be brutally honest I don't care about that half as much as I do about FINALLY getting decent owners. If we're in League One next season with the current charlatans still hanging on for their grubby payday I don't think the Valley will be seeing much of yours truly for a while.
But I agree - subs were poor choices and too early
We go again Saturday at home and hopefully with fire in our bellies over the injustice of drawing at Brum