I do find it confusing that the recent massive increase in the percentage of people wearing face masks seems to have a direct correlation with the massive increase in the number of people being infected with the virus.
you're not funny if you're genuinely confused, stay home, we'll all be safer
I work in a Supermarket, we can ask but we are not allowed to prevent entry or insist someone wears a mask. We have a few customers who persistently refuse to wear a mask (one because its all a government conspiracy). I cant see why I cant refuse to serve them. Why should I have to put myself and my family in danger just because of these wankers
I thought it was now the law that people wear a mask in shops?
Ridiculous if entry cannot be refused without a mask.
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You should not be allowed on public transport without a mask, or allowed in any shops. Perhaps the ignorant a***holes will then learn.
As with the public transport situation, enforcing it is the issue. And the type of person actively not wearing a mask (who are not exempt) and the way they are likely to behave when challenged.
Agreed.
Security at mainline train stations and tubes, shops also, bus drivers refusing entry and turning the ignition off.
I realise it is another matter if these people remove the masks once in shops/on board.
Stopping the bus etc. just inconveniences everyone. The sort who are openly defying wearing a face mask, are generally openly defiant in general. And at most will put on a mask to prevent themselves being stopped from getting a fine or being prevented from going where they want to. But will just take if off once they get want they want
Reading that as CHAVS
Not CHAVS just the type with an attitude problem, who don't like being told what to do and think they're displaying 'character' doing what they want/not complying. Where in face they are selfish and stupid
I work in a Supermarket, we can ask but we are not allowed to prevent entry or insist someone wears a mask. We have a few customers who persistently refuse to wear a mask (one because its all a government conspiracy). I cant see why I cant refuse to serve them. Why should I have to put myself and my family in danger just because of these wankers
I thought it was now the law that people wear a mask in shops?
Ridiculous if entry cannot be refused without a mask.
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You should not be allowed on public transport without a mask, or allowed in any shops. Perhaps the ignorant a***holes will then learn.
As with the public transport situation, enforcing it is the issue. And the type of person actively not wearing a mask (who are not exempt) and the way they are likely to behave when challenged.
Agreed.
Security at mainline train stations and tubes, shops also, bus drivers refusing entry and turning the ignition off.
I realise it is another matter if these people remove the masks once in shops/on board.
Stopping the bus etc. just inconveniences everyone. The sort who are openly defying wearing a face mask, are generally openly defiant in general. And at most will put on a mask to prevent themselves being stopped from getting a fine or being prevented from going where they want to. But will just take if off once they get want they want
So what is the answer?
Most of these pigs will probably shrug their shoulders then try another bus.
If every bus turns them away they either walk or conform.
No, they'll probably cause an incident potentially causing inconvenience and worse with safety and security risks to other people. And the police just can't attend every incident.
Sadly I dont know what the answer is but hope there is a darwinian effect without impacting too many orhers
I don't believe there's a single medical condition that would stop you wearing a mask. Would love to be proved wrong outside of anecdotal nonsense, give me scientific facts why someone would not be able to breathe through a mask.
I work in a Supermarket, we can ask but we are not allowed to prevent entry or insist someone wears a mask. We have a few customers who persistently refuse to wear a mask (one because its all a government conspiracy). I cant see why I cant refuse to serve them. Why should I have to put myself and my family in danger just because of these wankers
I thought it was now the law that people wear a mask in shops?
Ridiculous if entry cannot be refused without a mask.
***********
You should not be allowed on public transport without a mask, or allowed in any shops. Perhaps the ignorant a***holes will then learn.
As with the public transport situation, enforcing it is the issue. And the type of person actively not wearing a mask (who are not exempt) and the way they are likely to behave when challenged.
Agreed.
Security at mainline train stations and tubes, shops also, bus drivers refusing entry and turning the ignition off.
I realise it is another matter if these people remove the masks once in shops/on board.
Stopping the bus etc. just inconveniences everyone. The sort who are openly defying wearing a face mask, are generally openly defiant in general. And at most will put on a mask to prevent themselves being stopped from getting a fine or being prevented from going where they want to. But will just take if off once they get want they want
Reading that as CHAVS
Not CHAVS just the type with an attitude problem, who don't lje being told what to do and think they're displaying 'character' doing what they want/not complying. Where in face they are selfish and stupid
In my experience 'character' invariably translates as 'a bit of a c**t'
I work in a Supermarket, we can ask but we are not allowed to prevent entry or insist someone wears a mask. We have a few customers who persistently refuse to wear a mask (one because its all a government conspiracy). I cant see why I cant refuse to serve them. Why should I have to put myself and my family in danger just because of these wankers
I thought it was now the law that people wear a mask in shops?
Ridiculous if entry cannot be refused without a mask.
***********
You should not be allowed on public transport without a mask, or allowed in any shops. Perhaps the ignorant a***holes will then learn.
As with the public transport situation, enforcing it is the issue. And the type of person actively not wearing a mask (who are not exempt) and the way they are likely to behave when challenged.
Agreed.
Security at mainline train stations and tubes, shops also, bus drivers refusing entry and turning the ignition off.
I realise it is another matter if these people remove the masks once in shops/on board.
Stopping the bus etc. just inconveniences everyone. The sort who are openly defying wearing a face mask, are generally openly defiant in general. And at most will put on a mask to prevent themselves being stopped from getting a fine or being prevented from going where they want to. But will just take if off once they get want they want
Reading that as CHAVS
Not CHAVS just the type with an attitude problem, who don't lje being told what to do and think they're displaying 'character' doing what they want/not complying. Where in face they are selfish and stupid
In my experience 'character' invariably translates as 'a bit of a c**t'
I don't believe there's a single medical condition that would stop you wearing a mask. Would love to be proved wrong outside of anecdotal nonsense, give me scientific facts why someone would not be able to breathe through a mask.
Unless you don't have ears.
During the war, kids had gas masks. In some countries, relatively young children are expected to wear a mask at school. Not sure why our kids can't when Italian kids can.
Also, I think anybody who has a condition that means they can't wear a mask should probably be shielding at home.
Went for my first visit since before last Christmas to Bluewater Shopping centre today, and walking around the main concourses, I have to say that I only saw 2 people without masks. They were early 20s and sadly, very overweight, so probably vulnerable themselves. Idiots.
I do find it confusing that the recent massive increase in the percentage of people wearing face masks seems to have a direct correlation with the massive increase in the number of people being infected with the virus.
you're not funny if you're genuinely confused, stay home, we'll all be safer
Not trying to be funny. Would just like a sensible answer to what I believe is a reasonable question without being patronised.
And I do stay at home, not from confusion, but because this virus would more than likely finish me off.
I do find it confusing that the recent massive increase in the percentage of people wearing face masks seems to have a direct correlation with the massive increase in the number of people being infected with the virus.
you're not funny if you're genuinely confused, stay home, we'll all be safer
Not trying to be funny. Would just like a sensible answer to what I believe is a reasonable question without being patronised.
I work in a Supermarket, we can ask but we are not allowed to prevent entry or insist someone wears a mask. We have a few customers who persistently refuse to wear a mask (one because its all a government conspiracy). I cant see why I cant refuse to serve them. Why should I have to put myself and my family in danger just because of these wankers
If you feel strongly enough about it, you could demand that your employer respects their obligation for a duty of care. It’s official government advice that masks should be worn and a legal requirement in shops. By not protecting you, your employer is breaking the law.
There is a practicality problem. When a customer refuses to wear a mask, in theory we could refuse entry but if they become aggressive the store does not employ security staff. We could call the police, but the police have already said that they are unlikely to attend due to insufficient manpower, at the end of the day most retailers are not equipped to handle disruptive customers. Me, I would Taser the lot of them and leave them by the bins for the Crows to peck at.
I work in a Supermarket, we can ask but we are not allowed to prevent entry or insist someone wears a mask. We have a few customers who persistently refuse to wear a mask (one because its all a government conspiracy). I cant see why I cant refuse to serve them. Why should I have to put myself and my family in danger just because of these wankers
I thought it was now the law that people wear a mask in shops?
Ridiculous if entry cannot be refused without a mask.
***********
You should not be allowed on public transport without a mask, or allowed in any shops. Perhaps the ignorant a***holes will then learn.
As with the public transport situation, enforcing it is the issue. And the type of person actively not wearing a mask (who are not exempt) and the way they are likely to behave when challenged.
Agreed.
Security at mainline train stations and tubes, shops also, bus drivers refusing entry and turning the ignition off.
I realise it is another matter if these people remove the masks once in shops/on board.
Stopping the bus etc. just inconveniences everyone. The sort who are openly defying wearing a face mask, are generally openly defiant in general. And at most will put on a mask to prevent themselves being stopped from getting a fine or being prevented from going where they want to. But will just take if off once they get want they want
Reading that as CHAVS
Not CHAVS just the type with an attitude problem, who don't lje being told what to do and think they're displaying 'character' doing what they want/not complying. Where in face they are selfish and stupid
I work in a Supermarket, we can ask but we are not allowed to prevent entry or insist someone wears a mask. We have a few customers who persistently refuse to wear a mask (one because its all a government conspiracy). I cant see why I cant refuse to serve them. Why should I have to put myself and my family in danger just because of these wankers
I thought it was now the law that people wear a mask in shops?
Ridiculous if entry cannot be refused without a mask.
***********
You should not be allowed on public transport without a mask, or allowed in any shops. Perhaps the ignorant a***holes will then learn.
As with the public transport situation, enforcing it is the issue. And the type of person actively not wearing a mask (who are not exempt) and the way they are likely to behave when challenged.
Agreed.
Security at mainline train stations and tubes, shops also, bus drivers refusing entry and turning the ignition off.
I realise it is another matter if these people remove the masks once in shops/on board.
Stopping the bus etc. just inconveniences everyone. The sort who are openly defying wearing a face mask, are generally openly defiant in general. And at most will put on a mask to prevent themselves being stopped from getting a fine or being prevented from going where they want to. But will just take if off once they get want they want
Reading that as CHAVS
Not CHAVS just the type with an attitude problem, who don't lje being told what to do and think they're displaying 'character' doing what they want/not complying. Where in face they are selfish and stupid
In my experience 'character' invariably translates as 'a bit of a c**t'
I don't believe there's a single medical condition that would stop you wearing a mask. Would love to be proved wrong outside of anecdotal nonsense, give me scientific facts why someone would not be able to breathe through a mask.
Unless you don't have ears.
I suspect there are, especially ASD and MHs. But I know people who have asthma who struggle wearing a mask but have conditioned themselves to wear one because they are at increased risk so in many ways need to wear one. I suspect this is the case of many of the exempt conditions. And if they can't wear a face mask, sure the visor option is the alternative for many
I don't believe there's a single medical condition that would stop you wearing a mask. Would love to be proved wrong outside of anecdotal nonsense, give me scientific facts why someone would not be able to breathe through a mask.
Unless you don't have ears.
Maybe not medical, but surely some could feel claustrophobic or panicky wearing one? If you feel anxious about Coronavirus, surely you can feel anxious about wearing a mask as it takes all forms, not just this bloody virus?
I work in a Supermarket, we can ask but we are not allowed to prevent entry or insist someone wears a mask. We have a few customers who persistently refuse to wear a mask (one because its all a government conspiracy). I cant see why I cant refuse to serve them. Why should I have to put myself and my family in danger just because of these wankers
I thought it was now the law that people wear a mask in shops?
Ridiculous if entry cannot be refused without a mask.
***********
You should not be allowed on public transport without a mask, or allowed in any shops. Perhaps the ignorant a***holes will then learn.
As with the public transport situation, enforcing it is the issue. And the type of person actively not wearing a mask (who are not exempt) and the way they are likely to behave when challenged.
Agreed.
Security at mainline train stations and tubes, shops also, bus drivers refusing entry and turning the ignition off.
I realise it is another matter if these people remove the masks once in shops/on board.
Stopping the bus etc. just inconveniences everyone. The sort who are openly defying wearing a face mask, are generally openly defiant in general. And at most will put on a mask to prevent themselves being stopped from getting a fine or being prevented from going where they want to. But will just take if off once they get want they want
Reading that as CHAVS
Not CHAVS just the type with an attitude problem, who don't like being told what to do and think they're displaying 'character' doing what they want/not complying. Where in face they are selfish and stupid
We've got a lot of "traffic wardens" in Bromley patrolling empty roads. Why can't we have them patrolling shops instead of the empty roads. Alternatively, recruit more people and with large fines it would pay for itself. I realise this may need government intervention/legislation, as presently only the police can issue fines.
As we speak i’m on a 286 from Greenwich to Eltham and the driver has refused boarding to two maskless students.
Similar thing happened on a 53 outside Charlton House the other day. The driver refused boarding to two 20-something women. Their excuse was that “We’re only going two stops.” To which the driver replied “If you’re only going two stops you can walk it!” They got on anyway and sat down, at which point the driver switched off and refused to move. A five minute stand-off ensued and when they heard him radioing for police attendance, they got off at the same time hurling abuse at all and sundry. Nice people!
I work in a Supermarket, we can ask but we are not allowed to prevent entry or insist someone wears a mask. We have a few customers who persistently refuse to wear a mask (one because its all a government conspiracy). I cant see why I cant refuse to serve them. Why should I have to put myself and my family in danger just because of these wankers
I thought it was now the law that people wear a mask in shops?
Ridiculous if entry cannot be refused without a mask.
***********
You should not be allowed on public transport without a mask, or allowed in any shops. Perhaps the ignorant a***holes will then learn.
As with the public transport situation, enforcing it is the issue. And the type of person actively not wearing a mask (who are not exempt) and the way they are likely to behave when challenged.
Agreed.
Security at mainline train stations and tubes, shops also, bus drivers refusing entry and turning the ignition off.
I realise it is another matter if these people remove the masks once in shops/on board.
Stopping the bus etc. just inconveniences everyone. The sort who are openly defying wearing a face mask, are generally openly defiant in general. And at most will put on a mask to prevent themselves being stopped from getting a fine or being prevented from going where they want to. But will just take if off once they get want they want
Reading that as CHAVS
Not CHAVS just the type with an attitude problem, who don't like being told what to do and think they're displaying 'character' doing what they want/not complying. Where in face they are selfish and stupid
Maybe a £1,000 fine might change their attitude?
Agreed but who to implement it and prevent breaches of the peace etc?
Was in Dartford Sunday afternoon and mask compliance was very good
By contrast in Brent Cross shopping centre on Friday afternoon after 4, mask compliance was far worse, especially amongst children - there's no exemption from 11 onwards
I don't believe there's a single medical condition that would stop you wearing a mask. Would love to be proved wrong outside of anecdotal nonsense, give me scientific facts why someone would not be able to breathe through a mask.
Unless you don't have ears.
Nasal injury meaning that you need to breathe through your mouth, the tight constraint of the mask triggering uncontollable gag reflex to name two physical reasons.
That's before starting on mental reasons such as anxiety and panic triggered by claustrophobia caused by the tight constraining mask.
I find it ironic that some of the most politically correct on here generally are the most bigoted when it comes to judgement and assumptions about those unable to wear masks for whatever reason.
'If you can't breathe well enough to wear a mask you shouldn't go out' I've read more than once on this thread.
If someone said 'if you can't walk well enough not to use a stick, wheelchair or invalid carriage you shouldn't go out' they would quite rightly be crucified on here.
Not everything is visible. I have become a prisoner in my own home other than my daily walk and visits to my daughters because I choose not to invite a possible confrontation with ignorant mask fascists even though government guidelines clearly state that I do not have to justify why I don't wear a mask. I have posted the link elsewhere on this thread and it is studiously ignored by the mask zealots.
Jenny Harries said masks make little or no clinical difference and was put back in her box when WHO changed its mind regading the effiacy of masks because of political pressure.
I have tried to go out. Yesterday I attempted to go to Church. Friends of mine all masked up. I turned and ran.
Yes I am a probably a wet, gutless wimp in the eyes of some but I simply cannot breath with one of those fuckers on my face. Without one I am fit enough, arthritis permitting, to walk 3 miles in 45 minutes or better most days of the week. If I couldn't breath properly I would not be able to do that at the age I am.
You are someone that wearing a mask causes problems. I have no problem with someone who has problems wearing a mask not doing so. Download your exemption and get on with your life. It’s the people who can but don’t who are the problem.
There are people who can’t wear masks for medical reasons but there are a hell of a lot more who claim they can’t wear masks for medical reasons.
I appreciate that some people don’t want to wear a badge saying they are exempt but if it was a requirement to do so, it would be a lot easier to call out the selfish scum who claim they can’t wear one.
There are people who can’t wear masks for medical reasons but there are a hell of a lot more who claim they can’t wear masks for medical reasons.
I appreciate that some people don’t want to wear a badge saying they are exempt but if it was a requirement to do so, it would be a lot easier to call out the selfish scum who claim they can’t wear one.
But how to police it? How to manage the process for getting a genuine badge that can't be used by someone else or faked/counterfeited?
I have trouble breathing through my nose. I've had an operation which did no good. I wore a few masks and felt like I couldn't breathe and they were unbearable.
Then I tried the light blue "medical" masks, which seem most commonly worn. I still dislike them, but I'm ok now going round the supermarket etc. It's apparent that some masks are awful and some are far more comfortable. I decided I'd rather find a comfortable one, than not go out for years.
I also found that I was breathing too shallowly, through some illogical fear and when I realised I needed to breathe more deeply, it also became far less troublesome.
I have trouble breathing through my nose. I've had an operation which did no good. I wore a few masks and felt like I couldn't breathe and they were unbearable.
Then I tried the light blue "medical" masks, which seem most commonly worn. I still dislike them, but I'm ok now going round the supermarket etc. It's apparent that some masks are awful and some are far more comfortable. I decided I'd rather find a comfortable one, than not go out for years.
I also found that I was breathing too shallowly, through some illogical fear and when I realised I needed to breathe more deeply, it also became far less troublesome.
My brother has an almost completely closed sinus passage, has done since we were young.
He can wear a mask. But then he's been a mouth breather only since maybe 12 years old.
Completely unrelated note, fabric masks are awesome for keeping your nose warm on a cold morning...
I have trouble breathing through my nose. I've had an operation which did no good. I wore a few masks and felt like I couldn't breathe and they were unbearable.
Then I tried the light blue "medical" masks, which seem most commonly worn. I still dislike them, but I'm ok now going round the supermarket etc. It's apparent that some masks are awful and some are far more comfortable. I decided I'd rather find a comfortable one, than not go out for years.
I also found that I was breathing too shallowly, through some illogical fear and when I realised I needed to breathe more deeply, it also became far less troublesome.
My brother has an almost completely closed sinus passage, has done since we were young.
He can wear a mask. But then he's been a mouth breather only since maybe 12 years old.
Completely unrelated note, fabric masks are awesome for keeping your nose warm on a cold morning...
There also brilliant if you wear glasses and would like the foggy pea-souper Jack the Ripper type London experience.
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if you're genuinely confused, stay home, we'll all be safer
Sadly I dont know what the answer is but hope there is a darwinian effect without impacting too many orhers
Unless you don't have ears.
Also, I think anybody who has a condition that means they can't wear a mask should probably be shielding at home.
And I do stay at home, not from confusion, but because this virus would more than likely finish me off.
Here is an example towards an article what you are interested in.
If you feel anxious about Coronavirus, surely you can feel anxious about wearing a mask as it takes all forms, not just this bloody virus?
Why can't we have them patrolling shops instead of the empty roads.
Alternatively, recruit more people and with large fines it would pay for itself.
I realise this may need government intervention/legislation, as presently only the police can issue fines.
By contrast in Brent Cross shopping centre on Friday afternoon after 4, mask compliance was far worse, especially amongst children - there's no exemption from 11 onwards
That's before starting on mental reasons such as anxiety and panic triggered by claustrophobia caused by the tight constraining mask.
I find it ironic that some of the most politically correct on here generally are the most bigoted when it comes to judgement and assumptions about those unable to wear masks for whatever reason.
'If you can't breathe well enough to wear a mask you shouldn't go out' I've read more than once on this thread.
If someone said 'if you can't walk well enough not to use a stick, wheelchair or invalid carriage you shouldn't go out' they would quite rightly be crucified on here.
Not everything is visible. I have become a prisoner in my own home other than my daily walk and visits to my daughters because I choose not to invite a possible confrontation with ignorant mask fascists even though government guidelines clearly state that I do not have to justify why I don't wear a mask. I have posted the link elsewhere on this thread and it is studiously ignored by the mask zealots.
Jenny Harries said masks make little or no clinical difference and was put back in her box when WHO changed its mind regading the effiacy of masks because of political pressure.
I have tried to go out. Yesterday I attempted to go to Church. Friends of mine all masked up. I turned and ran.
Yes I am a probably a wet, gutless wimp in the eyes of some but I simply cannot breath with one of those fuckers on my face. Without one I am fit enough, arthritis permitting, to walk 3 miles in 45 minutes or better most days of the week. If I couldn't breath properly I would not be able to do that at the age I am.
You are someone that wearing a mask causes problems. I have no problem with someone who has problems wearing a mask not doing so. Download your exemption and get on with your life. It’s the people who can but don’t who are the problem.
I googled this and it led me to this interesting read:
Mask wearing: A historical, cultural and ethical perspective
I've had an operation which did no good.
I wore a few masks and felt like I couldn't breathe and they were unbearable.
Then I tried the light blue "medical" masks, which seem most commonly worn.
I still dislike them, but I'm ok now going round the supermarket etc.
It's apparent that some masks are awful and some are far more comfortable.
I decided I'd rather find a comfortable one, than not go out for years.
I also found that I was breathing too shallowly, through some illogical fear and when I realised I needed to breathe more deeply, it also became far less troublesome.
He can wear a mask. But then he's been a mouth breather only since maybe 12 years old.
Completely unrelated note, fabric masks are awesome for keeping your nose warm on a cold morning...