I do find it confusing that the recent massive increase in the percentage of people wearing face masks seems to have a direct correlation with the massive increase in the number of people being infected with the virus.
you're not funny if you're genuinely confused, stay home, we'll all be safer
Not trying to be funny. Would just like a sensible answer to what I believe is a reasonable question without being patronised.
And I do stay at home, not from confusion, but because this virus would more than likely finish me off.
Correlation is not the same as causality.
The numbers of reported cases and the perception of increased mask wearing run in parallel to each other - there is no direct causal link.
The single dominant factor in the increasing number of people reported as testing positive for the virus is the massive jump in the number of people tested for the virus. You'll remember that Covidiot-in-Chief DJ Trump advocated less testing to suppress the figures The percentage of those 'positive' individuals falling ill enough to require hospital treatment is a fraction of what it was in April & May. Back then the number tested was tiny and the overwhelming majority of those tested were already ill in hospital or working there. In layman's terms: 6 months ago testing was focused like a sniper selects individual targets, today testing is scattergun like a machine gun on a tower firing into a crowd. The number of hits has nothing to do with the gunman's skill. The discrepancy between today's statistics and those in April has little to do with the infectiousness of COVID. In April hundreds of thousands of exposed people simply weren't tested. The absence of positives tests does not prove that hundreds of thousands were uninfected.
Today more people might be getting the message that taking precautions endorsed by scientists might be sensible because they see the worrying statistics on the news every day. The perception of increased mask wearing is also distorted since masks became compulsory e.g. on public transport. Non-compliance has become a contentious issue. Attention is focused on facemasks and visors to an unprecedented degree. Mask wearing when in company, keeping distance from others and regular routine hand washing won't cure you of anything but they help to protect you and those with whom you interact. To this point there is no substantiated evidence that wearing a protective face covering increases your risk of contagion. Wearing a face covering provides an obvious mechanical limitation to your propensity to project infected particles outwards on breath, coughs or sneezes. Similarly they provide a barrier or filter for particles you may breathe in. They are in no way, nor ever have been touted as, a cure all panacea negating the risk of transmission. They are just one simple tool, which when used in concert with others, can provide a brake on the distribution of infectious particles.
Thank you.
That's exactly why I asked the question and you've answered it wonderfully.
There are too many competing/mutually exclusive priorities. Impossible to have a solution that satisfies health AND the economy; The scientists don't even agree and too many people with hindsight after the fact. What the medics want is not what businesses want. How do balance illnesses and deaths from covid v those from other diseases and conditions and from the mental health repercussions? What is good for the goose is NOT good for the gander as the saying doesn't go.
Also, unfairly comparing what is going on in England with the rest of the parts of the UK and other countries is not helpful (in fact divisive) when the demographics and conditions are different.
Too many selective statistics too and the media are divisive too, looking for angles of reporting and citing u-turns when things and understanding are constantly changing
I think sociologists of the future are going to have so much to study from the coronavirus situation.
It really has brought out the best and worst in people.
I appreciate it is only a minority and people are frustrated etc. with restrictions and lockdowns, but surely if you live in an area (e.g. Liverpool) that is being put under restrictions because of the (increasing) level of infections i.e. risk (because of current actions and behaviour) that is a stark warning to be more responsible. As opposed to actively going out and being the complete opposite and being completely irresponsible, putting you, your nearest and dearest, associates, colleagues let alone complete strangers at an even higher risk
This sounds crazy I know, but I think like many others that it already is. Most people are obliging through fear of the fine of 135 euros, not through any concerns of the virus.
Contrary to what someone posted on here a little while back, the slippery slope argument has merit.
May I ask if you believe going out alone and walking down the street without a mask is irresponsible?
I go out for a walk most lunchtimes. In the residential streets and parks I don't wear a mask but do have one in my pocket in case I need to go into a shop. When I go up to the High Street I put the mask on when I get near and don't take it off until I'm on my way back home.
Residential street - hardly ever see another person and easy to stay apart as pavements and roads are quiet.
High Street - busy with people and traffic, difficult to stay any distance away due to people queuing to get into shops and buses/cars in the road.
This sounds crazy I know, but I think like many others that it already is. Most people are obliging through fear of the fine of 135 euros, not through any concerns of the virus.
Contrary to what someone posted on here a little while back, the slippery slope argument has merit.
If a face covering is as effective as we are lead to believe it would be totally immoral to remove these restrictions even after the pandemic has come to an end. The slippery slope argument was lost along time ago. By everyone wearing face coverings it would fight against various virus. Face coverings are now a permeant part of our lives.
May I ask if you believe going out alone and walking down the street without a mask is irresponsible?
I go out for a walk most lunchtimes. In the residential streets and parks I don't wear a mask but do have one in my pocket in case I need to go into a shop. When I go up to the High Street I put the mask on when I get near and don't take it off until I'm on my way back home.
Residential street - hardly ever see another person and easy to stay apart as pavements and roads are quiet.
High Street - busy with people and traffic, difficult to stay any distance away due to people queuing to get into shops and buses/cars in the road.
I agree, I can't see if you are out and nowhere near anybody that it is irresponsible not to wear a mask. Your criteria seems sensible.
May I ask if you believe going out alone and walking down the street without a mask is irresponsible?
I wear mine on the school run? Does that count?
I wear it there and back.
However I don't think your scenario is irresponsible, but you should now always have one on you as a bare minimum effort
By 'on you' do you mean in my pocket, ready if necessity arises?
If not, you mean I should wear one alone in the street, don't you?
I took it as on you and agree with this approach.
A large group of college students were walking towards me earlier, one with a mask around his chin, the rest mask commando. No social distancing etc, I put mine on. I don’t know if it did anything to protect me but it made me fell more at ease.
I was out yesterday walking towards the shopping centre wearing a facecover in anticipation of shortly being in the shopping centre and needing to. Some random bloke walks up to me and tells me I should take the mask off. I said, 'no, I'm fine with it on thanks' but he kept berating me, telling me to at least uncover my nose, telling me that 'it says on the internet' (a sure fire way to indicate it must be true) that you shouldn't wear a facecover for more than 15 mins otherwise it does irrepairable (he may not have used quite such a long word as that) damag'' etc etc.
I'm minding my own business, I am outside but in a busy area, I choose to wear a facecover, it's not bothering anyone, doesn't have an offensive slogan printed on it and I'm looking after my health and indeed his etc etc. And if he genuinely thinks you're limited to 15 mins I hope he has to go somewhere by train for more than a couple of stops* and someone's on Mask Checking Duty.
I'm not 100% convinced on the science regarding masks but they're required in some places, convenient to keep on if going into a succession of places where they're required and they don't cause harm, so I'm ok with erring on the side of caution. Thinking about it now, I perhaps should've faked a coughing fit?
This sounds crazy I know, but I think like many others that it already is. Most people are obliging through fear of the fine of 135 euros, not through any concerns of the virus.
Contrary to what someone posted on here a little while back, the slippery slope argument has merit.
If a face covering is as effective as we are lead to believe it would be totally immoral to remove these restrictions even after the pandemic has come to an end. The slippery slope argument was lost along time ago. By everyone wearing face coverings it would fight against various virus. Face coverings are now a permeant part of our lives.
It's not a good time to be wumming imo. You've already told us you that you believe we should try to carry on as normal as is possible.
For me it’s about time we were sensible and cracked on - as it’s not going to disappear if we all stay indoors for 3 months we come back out and it will rise again
SouthWestAddicks said -
"At some point we are all going to come to the same conclusion. Some people like myself are at this stage. Others will come to conclusion when we have the budget next year. or when we come to the warmer months in 2021. It might take a 3rd or 4th lockdown before other change their minds. Others will wait for a vaccine to be rolled out across 50m in the UK. A day will have to come when we try and go back to normal. Here’s hoping that it will be in March next year, but even trying to be optimistic I cannot see anything like cracking on for a long time.
The Lancet recommend that some restrictions will need to be in place until 2022 at the earliest. At some point we will need to look long term rather than short term. All we are doing his pushing the problem further down the road. We will see where are in 6 months time".
Fair play to some of the charing cross staff tonight wearing the mask under the chin. Legends.
Take a photo and out it up on social media.
You are right I probably should. I'm going in once a week at the moment and I walk straight through the main doors and straight onto the train so no waiting around on the concourse.
I just find it strange how 99% of passengers are wearing them and I've seen staff tell some passengers that dont have it on over their nose to pull it up, however many of the station staff either aren't wearing them or have them on under their chin.
Fair play to some of the charing cross staff tonight wearing the mask under the chin. Legends.
Take a photo and out it up on social media.
You are right I probably should. I'm going in once a week at the moment and I walk straight through the main doors and straight onto the train so no waiting around on the concourse.
I just find it strange how 99% of passengers are wearing them and I've seen staff tell some passengers that dont have it on over their nose to pull it up, however many of the station staff either aren't wearing them or have them on under their chin.
This. Same on South Western; it's bad enough staff aren't complying, but can they 'request' passengers comply?
Fair play to some of the charing cross staff tonight wearing the mask under the chin. Legends.
Take a photo and out it up on social media.
You are right I probably should. I'm going in once a week at the moment and I walk straight through the main doors and straight onto the train so no waiting around on the concourse.
I just find it strange how 99% of passengers are wearing them and I've seen staff tell some passengers that dont have it on over their nose to pull it up, however many of the station staff either aren't wearing them or have them on under their chin.
This. Same on South Western; it's bad enough staff aren't complying, but can they 'request' passengers comply?
I've just assumed I'm missing some kind of rule which gives staff exemptions.
If I see station staff at charing cross with no mask I assume it's a medical reason. When I see station staff with a mask but its under the chin then I think it's a piss take, especially when there are signs dotted around the station saying you will be fined 3k for not wearing one.
Fair play to some of the charing cross staff tonight wearing the mask under the chin. Legends.
Take a photo and out it up on social media.
You are right I probably should. I'm going in once a week at the moment and I walk straight through the main doors and straight onto the train so no waiting around on the concourse.
I just find it strange how 99% of passengers are wearing them and I've seen staff tell some passengers that dont have it on over their nose to pull it up, however many of the station staff either aren't wearing them or have them on under their chin.
This. Same on South Western; it's bad enough staff aren't complying, but can they 'request' passengers comply?
I've just assumed I'm missing some kind of rule which gives staff exemptions.
If I see station staff at charing cross with no mask I assume it's a medical reason. When I see station staff with a mask but its under the chin then I think it's a piss take, especially when there are signs dotted around the station saying you will be fined 3k for not wearing one.
Exactly. And they are close to passengers for the whole of their shift not just passing though
Get a mask that's got a wire insert so you can mould it as closely to your nose and face as possible, and then put your glasses over the top. That way you should get a decent seal and your breath won't escape up onto your glasses.
Get a mask that's got a wire insert so you can mould it as closely to your nose and face as possible, and then put your glasses over the top. That way you should get a decent seal and your breath won't escape up onto your glasses.
100%, for people who wear glasses this is good advice.
I don't know if this would work, but I was thinking about it the other day. You know that windscreen product Rain X, they do a version to stop the inside of the windscreen misting up. I was wondering if that might work on glasses? Anybody know?
Any tips from glasses wearers on how not to get steamed glasses? Was walking through school playground this morning like Stevie Wonder.
there is no way I could drive wearing one
The number of people I see driving alone in their cars wearing one is another thing that's doing my head in.
I just think everyone's gone mad.
I'm serious when I say that I hate going out now because all this mask wearing is freaking me out. I mean it. I'm bewildered by it. The lollipop man is just creepy now.
Any tips from glasses wearers on how not to get steamed glasses? Was walking through school playground this morning like Stevie Wonder.
there is no way I could drive wearing one
The number of people I see driving alone in their cars wearing one is another thing that's doing my head in.
I just think everyone's gone mad.
I'm serious when I say that I hate going out now because all this mask wearing is freaking me out. I mean it. I'm bewildered by it. The lollipop man is just creepy now.
Yeah that confuses me seeing people driving solo wearing one and I agree about not wanting to be out with all the masks and covid stuff
Going to the pub is not going to the pub anymore, understandably, and I'm glad people that need that change of scenery can get it but for me it is a tense experience and not one I want to repeat. That said, hypocritically, I want pubs to be there when it isn't like going to a lab and as far as my local goes I'd happily pay in advance, every month of I have to to build up a massive tab for me and to help them keep the lights on
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Also, unfairly comparing what is going on in England with the rest of the parts of the UK and other countries is not helpful (in fact divisive) when the demographics and conditions are different.
Too many selective statistics too and the media are divisive too, looking for angles of reporting and citing u-turns when things and understanding are constantly changing
It really has brought out the best and worst in people.
I appreciate it is only a minority and people are frustrated etc. with restrictions and lockdowns, but surely if you live in an area (e.g. Liverpool) that is being put under restrictions because of the (increasing) level of infections i.e. risk (because of current actions and behaviour) that is a stark warning to be more responsible. As opposed to actively going out and being the complete opposite and being completely irresponsible, putting you, your nearest and dearest, associates, colleagues let alone complete strangers at an even higher risk
I wear it there and back.
However I don't think your scenario is irresponsible, but you should now always have one on you as a bare minimum effort
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This sounds crazy I know, but I think like many others that it already is. Most people are obliging through fear of the fine of 135 euros, not through any concerns of the virus.
Contrary to what someone posted on here a little while back, the slippery slope argument has merit.
If not, you mean I should wear one alone in the street, don't you?
Residential street - hardly ever see another person and easy to stay apart as pavements and roads are quiet.
High Street - busy with people and traffic, difficult to stay any distance away due to people queuing to get into shops and buses/cars in the road.
Otherwise I wouldn't have agreed that your scenario is not irresponsible.
You've already told us you that you believe we should try to carry on as normal as is possible.
SouthWestAddicks said -
"At some point we are all going to come to the same conclusion. Some people like myself are at this stage. Others will come to conclusion when we have the budget next year. or when we come to the warmer months in 2021. It might take a 3rd or 4th lockdown before other change their minds. Others will wait for a vaccine to be rolled out across 50m in the UK. A day will have to come when we try and go back to normal. Here’s hoping that it will be in March next year, but even trying to be optimistic I cannot see anything like cracking on for a long time.
The Lancet recommend that some restrictions will need to be in place until 2022 at the earliest. At some point we will need to look long term rather than short term. All we are doing his pushing the problem further down the road. We will see where are in 6 months time".
"We obey the corona rules"
Berlin's tourism authority has launched an ad campaign featuring an elderly woman giving the middle finger to people who refuse to wear masks.
"The raised index finger for all those without a mask," reads the poster, alongside a photo of the masked woman.
Visit Berlin has said the campaign is to highlight the importance of protecting the health of the elderly.
I just find it strange how 99% of passengers are wearing them and I've seen staff tell some passengers that dont have it on over their nose to pull it up, however many of the station staff either aren't wearing them or have them on under their chin.
If I see station staff at charing cross with no mask I assume it's a medical reason. When I see station staff with a mask but its under the chin then I think it's a piss take, especially when there are signs dotted around the station saying you will be fined 3k for not wearing one.
there is no way I could drive wearing one
I just think everyone's gone mad.
I'm serious when I say that I hate going out now because all this mask wearing is freaking me out. I mean it. I'm bewildered by it. The lollipop man is just creepy now.
Going to the pub is not going to the pub anymore, understandably, and I'm glad people that need that change of scenery can get it but for me it is a tense experience and not one I want to repeat. That said, hypocritically, I want pubs to be there when it isn't like going to a lab and as far as my local goes I'd happily pay in advance, every month of I have to to build up a massive tab for me and to help them keep the lights on