We do have a knack of going overboard with excitement (statues of Lauren, Jack Wilshire, fawning over MM, Tommy is our hero etc) and then falling flat on our faces. The levels of cringe have got out of control in previous weeks.
Lets just keep everything calm and on the down low for the next couple of months and assume that there is no knight in shining armour any time soon. And just take each game as it comes.
Is it TOO optimistic of me to think that PM didn’t provide fuck all evidence because they know about TS’s work around so know it’s all by the by anyway?
If Thomas Saangard is doing a deal direct with Roland then I'm not sure what would be in it for PM.
PM have royally fucked this and presumably LK would have been begging them for evidence to help her, so we can only assume they've fucked it deliberately. The question is why, I can't see why they'd bother going to court if they didn't want to win.
Couple of possibilities spring to mind:
1. PM have been advised by TS to keep quiet and none of this matters. 2. PM legal team, I forget the name, didn't ask because they felt it wasn't helpful. 3. PM is run by a fuckwit or fuckwits.
Out of 100 persons surveyed: 100 answered PM is run by a fuckwit or fuckwits.
"Hard to see how grant if injunction would put the club at further risk."
"No explanation of how embargoes would be lifted if the injunction is refused. "
THEY'D BE FREE TO SELL IT TO SOMEONE WHO IS LEGITIMATE AND WEALTHY ENOUGH TO PASS THE EFL TESTS.
OK, MM's evidence is crap but what's so hard to figure out Judges?
The problem is that none of PM's evidence says that. The judges weigh up the evidence before them. PM have failed to produce even the most basic explanation of why an embargo is bad, why we need a new owner, how LD not having anybody who's passed EFL tests will lead to further punishments, that TS is on the verge of buying, etc.
PM have royally fucked this and presumably LK would have been begging them for evidence to help her, so we can only assume they've fucked it deliberately. The question is why, I can't see why they'd bother going to court if they didn't want to win.
Maybe costs?
Praying they did not want to say anything about sale because of what is happening behind the scenes. The last thing we would have wanted is Judges getting involved. That’s the end of Elliott and his lawyer until November.
If TS buys from RD directly, does this injunction mean Elliott will be entitled to something back from the money hes put in?
Or literally he cant buy the club until its over? Sorry I know its been covered at some point but brains shot now!
This injunction prevents ESI selling the club, it does not prevent RD from selling the club. In order for RD to sell the club, there needs some be some legal basis for it being returned to him. All we can do is wait and see and hope that if there is some kind of back door deal, that the legal side of it is watertight, because you can bet these pricks will do their best to challenge it in court.
Wow......just, wow. I bloody told you that our defence failed to present a single scrap of factual evidence to support their 'fears' about the impact on the club. They failed the first time round and failed to learn from their mistake this time. Where is the 'whatever' from the EFL about the embargo, the OADT updated position etc? Where is the statement about/from TS that he is ready to go but will talk away if delayed and place the club at risk? All/any of that would have made a difference to the outcome.
It's a joke.
I always thought that a fundamental problem for Panorama is that they've put NOTHING into the club. It's really hard to mount a convincing case against Lex and the financial impact of an injunction when they've put some money in and you haven't
I blame Roland and the EFL. RD for selling to selling to ESI 1 in the first place. EFL for delaying and bottling it. Sad day for the club and all football fans (except Millwall and Palace:)
Genuine question, could Kreamer have done more here or was she pretty much destined to lose considering circumstance?
She can only argue the points with the evidence she has been given.
I've prepared better for Employment Tribunals then PM did for this. She may be proper charlton, but she must have authorised off the bundle. Sorry it's unpopular, but she's culpable or complicit in what PM wanted from the Appeal.
the saddest thing of all is having heard the evidence I don’t see how they could have found another verdict.
Agree. It feels to me that PM's legal team were reliant on the Appeal Judges only overturning Pearce's decision on an error of law, whereas they considered all the evidence again and came up with a different answer. "We" failed to provide evidence of an imminent sale and we failed to evidence the damage a continued injunction would do. On top of that, the judges clearly signalled the possibility of sale proceeds being frozen pending the outcome of the November trial, and we let that get away. Very poor.
Edit: I didn't mean to imply criticism of Lauren here. She was praised by the judges for the way she handled a particularly poorly evidenced case. It's entirely down to Nimer, Southall, Mihail and any one on their side.
Wow......just, wow. I bloody told you that our defence failed to present a single scrap of factual evidence to support their 'fears' about the impact on the club. They failed the first time round and failed to learn from their mistake this time. Where is the 'whatever' from the EFL about the embargo, the OADT updated position etc? Where is the statement about/from TS that he is ready to go but will talk away if delayed and place the club at risk? All/any of that would have made a difference to the outcome.
It's a joke.
This
Time for Tommy to pull his rabbit out of the hat ......if the EFL let him have a rabbit
There was one telling comment from LJ Lewison on the sale situation surrounding Charlton Athletic.
"Panorama must live with their decision to remain silent."
If TS buys from RD directly, does this injunction mean Elliott will be entitled to something back from the money hes put in?
Or literally he cant buy the club until its over? Sorry I know its been covered at some point but brains shot now!
This injunction prevents ESI selling the club, it does not prevent RD from selling the club. In order for RD to sell the club, there needs some be some legal basis for it being returned to him. All we can do is wait and see and hope that if there is some kind of back door deal, that the legal side of it is watertight, because you can bet these pricks will do their best to challenge it in court.
Cheers West Country. I know this loopholes been mentioned before so heres to hoping TS law firm earn there money now!
Genuine question, could Kreamer have done more here or was she pretty much destined to lose considering circumstance?
She can only argue the points with the evidence she has been given.
I've prepared better for Employment Tribunals then PM did for this. She may be proper charlton, but she must have authorised off the bundle. Sorry it's unpopular, but she's culpable or complicit in what PM wanted from the Appeal.
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Lets just keep everything calm and on the down low for the next couple of months and assume that there is no knight in shining armour any time soon. And just take each game as it comes.
If Thomas Saangard is doing a deal direct with Roland then I'm not sure what would be in it for PM.
You’ll eventually get what’s coming to you.
Praying they did not want to say anything about sale because of what is happening behind the scenes. The last thing we would have wanted is Judges getting involved. That’s the end of Elliott and his lawyer until November.
Does it mean Tommy can't buy the club?
Edit: I didn't mean to imply criticism of Lauren here. She was praised by the judges for the way she handled a particularly poorly evidenced case. It's entirely down to Nimer, Southall, Mihail and any one on their side.
We are fucked.
Goodnight.
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Time for Tommy to pull his rabbit out of the hat ......if the EFL let him have a rabbit
Let's see what happens next.
Good Egg though