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Dylan Levitt - Sold by Man U to Dundee United (p14)
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Man Utd do have the option to recall...
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Lightweight Forster-Caskey...0
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Some of the balls he played forward today between the lines were absolutely sublime, and some of the blocks he made were also crucial.Callumcafc said:Lightweight Forster-Caskey...
Some of his one on one defending however was poor, as I thought was some of his positioning. That's always the most difficult part of the position he plays and comes with experience. He will only improve though.11 -
He and Vennings were playing similar roles for us.
Personally preferred Vennings, but Levitt did show flashes of class. No more than Vennings or Morgan though0 -
Agreed, I’d say Vennings has shown more in his cameos this year than Levitt - and he’s our lad which means there’s a natural bias towards him.Dazzler21 said:He and Vennings were playing similar roles for us.
Personally preferred Vennings, but Levitt did show flashes of class. No more than Vennings or Morgan thoughNot saying “send him back” or anything like that, but Levitt is way down the pecking order at the moment for me.8 -
I agree what Levitt is nowhere near the first team midfield, and that Vennings has looked very composed on the ball when he has played.
However Vennings is more of a natural number 10, who came on for the last 25 minutes when the game was opening up, where as Levitt is a deep lying playmaker who started the game against matched up against what looks to be a very good player in Camara. Think it's an unfair comparison to make.
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I’d 100% consider sending him back. He’s a decent player but if we can get a striker in on loan then I would. Although I guess having 6 players on loan wouldn’t be end of the world.1
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Think we have to consider the “optics”, sending a youngster back after a handful of matches isn’t a good look and could impact our ability to get players on loan from United (and possibly elsewhere) in the future. If there’s another player available for loan then I don’t see why already having 5 would be a major blocker (doesn’t seem to have stopped us before!).cafcfan1990 said:I’d 100% consider sending him back. He’s a decent player but if we can get a striker in on loan then I would. Although I guess having 6 players on loan wouldn’t be end of the world.0 -
Man U might prefer us to send him back in January, rather than keep him as the 6th loanee thoughse9addick said:
Think we have to consider the “optics”, sending a youngster back after a handful of matches isn’t a good look and could impact our ability to get players on loan from United (and possibly elsewhere) in the future. If there’s another player available for loan then I don’t see why already having 5 would be a major blocker (doesn’t seem to have stopped us before!).cafcfan1990 said:I’d 100% consider sending him back. He’s a decent player but if we can get a striker in on loan then I would. Although I guess having 6 players on loan wouldn’t be end of the world.1 -
Thought he did okay today and some of the criticism is way over the top. Clearly has plenty to learn but that’s why he’s on loan in league 1. On the flip side there were a few passes of real quality. Don’t see him getting in the first team often when everyone is fit, but equally he could learn fast and get better as the season wears on.8
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I don't think it will affect us getting loan players. Maatsen and Famewo are two young players who will play regularly, and we did the same last year. I agree we could have 6, I'm not agains that to be honest.se9addick said:
Think we have to consider the “optics”, sending a youngster back after a handful of matches isn’t a good look and could impact our ability to get players on loan from United (and possibly elsewhere) in the future. If there’s another player available for loan then I don’t see why already having 5 would be a major blocker (doesn’t seem to have stopped us before!).cafcfan1990 said:I’d 100% consider sending him back. He’s a decent player but if we can get a striker in on loan then I would. Although I guess having 6 players on loan wouldn’t be end of the world.0 -
I really don’t understand why this lad in particular is constantly under the microscope. He’s another body in the building to help us get promoted, if Bowyer doesn’t rate him then he won’t play him.We’ve got plenty of midfielders this season and he’s just here to help out and learn his trade. I’d rather have him and not need him than need him and not have him etc.2
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Struggle to see where he fits in but not going to write him off yet. He's not a bad player just not what we need in the team at the moment. He's only 20 so it's not as if he's taken up anything on the wage cap. Injuries and suspensions may mean he gets a chance, hopefully we'd find the right role for him. From the little I've seen so far that won't be as a holding midfielder.
If he's the only signing that hasn't worked out then it's been a brilliant transfer window. If that's the case then we'll most likely send him back in January. He can then join another club where he'll start every week and we'll probably bring another loan signing in.1 -
He's a full International.
Under normal circumstances I'd be ringing Giggs to get his insight into how to get more out of Levitt.
Levitt is on Man Utd's books for a reason.1 -
Based on the what I've seen of him for Wales (which is admittedly not a lot), I'm not sure Giggs gets that much more out of Levitt than we've seen already.Dave Rudd said:He's a full International.
Under normal circumstances I'd be ringing Giggs to get his insight into how to get more out of Levitt.
Levitt is on Man Utd's books for a reason.
Although we signed him when were under the one out one in embargo instead of a player in an area we were lacking, so there must be more to come.0 -
I think he's unlucky, he's in a league 1 squad with a championship quality midfield. He would probably walk into most teams in our leagueDave Rudd said:He's a full International.
Under normal circumstances I'd be ringing Giggs to get his insight into how to get more out of Levitt.
Levitt is on Man Utd's books for a reason.0 -
Perhaps he's not good enough, perhaps he just needs a run of games. The same questions have been asked about Pratley, Watson, Forster-Caskey and Williams so Levitt's in pretty good company.
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So, Levitt is OK for Wales, but not OK for League 1 Charlton?MattF said:
Based on the what I've seen of him for Wales (which is admittedly not a lot), I'm not sure Giggs gets that much more out of Levitt than we've seen already.Dave Rudd said:He's a full International.
Under normal circumstances I'd be ringing Giggs to get his insight into how to get more out of Levitt.
Levitt is on Man Utd's books for a reason.
Although we signed him when were under the one out one in embargo instead of a player in an area we were lacking, so there must be more to come.
Are you OK with that?
Giggs will have seen a lot more than you and I have. He will have a role in mind, and expectations.
Bowyer is not getting the best from Levitt. He might want to have a chat about it with Gunter too.0 -
He must have something about him. I just don’t see it right now. And yes, I know he’s young and the point of going on loan is to learn the game, learn his trade and develop. But he’s already a Welsh international, on the books of Man Utd, he shouldn’t be looking poor to average at the very best against League One opposition in the role that he has. I don’t really know what he offers us right now. That’s probably the main point. I can see what each other midfielder of ours offers us, but I can’t see it right now with Levitt.
As I have said in the match thread today, he’s not industrious enough, offers nothing offensively, and defensively he’s not strong enough. He is comfortable on the ball and can have a nice range of passing, that’s great, but so does almost every single one of our other midfielders. Young players coming through, they all can do that now.
Where does he fit in? He’s not getting in front of Pratley or Watson in that defensive, anchor role, he’s not anything like Shinnie, or Gilbey when fit, Forster-Caskey adds more to us offensively and is just as good on the ball, and he’s left footed, Morgan has come on loads of late and can do a job out wide if needed, Vennings in his little cameo appearances has looked good, Williams is a completely different type of player. Even if Levitt is in front of Vennings, which he is, you could argue he’s about level with Morgan, but I know who I prefer.
You’re then saying we have a loanee from one of the biggest clubs in the country, as around our 6th choice central midfielder when everyone is fit.
If we’re going to use Smyth out wide sometimes, and Aneke might not be able to feature as much as we all would like, I would definitely consider sending Levitt back in January and bringing in another forward. That is the position that is most likely going to be the difference between promotion and not.14 -
Do you think Levitt would be in the Welsh set up, considering Giggs is their manager, if his parent club was any other Premier League side?Dave Rudd said:
So, Levitt is OK for Wales, but not OK for League 1 Charlton?MattF said:
Based on the what I've seen of him for Wales (which is admittedly not a lot), I'm not sure Giggs gets that much more out of Levitt than we've seen already.Dave Rudd said:He's a full International.
Under normal circumstances I'd be ringing Giggs to get his insight into how to get more out of Levitt.
Levitt is on Man Utd's books for a reason.
Although we signed him when were under the one out one in embargo instead of a player in an area we were lacking, so there must be more to come.
Are you OK with that?
Giggs will have seen a lot more than you and I have. He will have a role in mind, and expectations.
Bowyer is not getting the best from Levitt. He might want to have a chat about it with Gunter too.
Genuine question by the way. I just don’t think he would be anywhere near as close. Maybe I am being harsh, just how I see it right now.4 - Sponsored links:
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Him and Barker were the best Charlton players on the pitch,I don’t know if you can watch a game back, but I would urge anyone that could to do so7
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Really?Sage said:
Do you think Levitt would be in the Welsh set up, considering Giggs is their manager, if his parent club was any other Premier League side?Dave Rudd said:
So, Levitt is OK for Wales, but not OK for League 1 Charlton?MattF said:
Based on the what I've seen of him for Wales (which is admittedly not a lot), I'm not sure Giggs gets that much more out of Levitt than we've seen already.Dave Rudd said:He's a full International.
Under normal circumstances I'd be ringing Giggs to get his insight into how to get more out of Levitt.
Levitt is on Man Utd's books for a reason.
Although we signed him when were under the one out one in embargo instead of a player in an area we were lacking, so there must be more to come.
Are you OK with that?
Giggs will have seen a lot more than you and I have. He will have a role in mind, and expectations.
Bowyer is not getting the best from Levitt. He might want to have a chat about it with Gunter too.
Genuine question by the way. I just don’t think he would be anywhere near as close. Maybe I am being harsh, just how I see it right now.
As an International manager, you don't pick a player because he comes from a Club that you have affinity with. You don't last long in the job if you do.0 -
Just my opinion mate. It’s a genuine question and thinking, would he be in the squad if he was on say, Burnley’s books as an example?Dave Rudd said:
Really?Sage said:
Do you think Levitt would be in the Welsh set up, considering Giggs is their manager, if his parent club was any other Premier League side?Dave Rudd said:
So, Levitt is OK for Wales, but not OK for League 1 Charlton?MattF said:
Based on the what I've seen of him for Wales (which is admittedly not a lot), I'm not sure Giggs gets that much more out of Levitt than we've seen already.Dave Rudd said:He's a full International.
Under normal circumstances I'd be ringing Giggs to get his insight into how to get more out of Levitt.
Levitt is on Man Utd's books for a reason.
Although we signed him when were under the one out one in embargo instead of a player in an area we were lacking, so there must be more to come.
Are you OK with that?
Giggs will have seen a lot more than you and I have. He will have a role in mind, and expectations.
Bowyer is not getting the best from Levitt. He might want to have a chat about it with Gunter too.
Genuine question by the way. I just don’t think he would be anywhere near as close. Maybe I am being harsh, just how I see it right now.
As an International manager, you don't pick a player because he comes from a Club that you have affinity with. You don't last long in the job if you do.
Nicky Butt and Giggs are close, I think the affinity and relationship he has with the club and those at the club can influence his judgement to a certain level.
He might not be lasting very long in the job anyway for other matters.1 -
Being more than a bit nitpicky, but he's played more minutes for Bowyer at Charlton than he has for Giggs at Wales. Neither are likely to be great judges of his ability yet.Dave Rudd said:
So, Levitt is OK for Wales, but not OK for League 1 Charlton?MattF said:
Based on the what I've seen of him for Wales (which is admittedly not a lot), I'm not sure Giggs gets that much more out of Levitt than we've seen already.Dave Rudd said:He's a full International.
Under normal circumstances I'd be ringing Giggs to get his insight into how to get more out of Levitt.
Levitt is on Man Utd's books for a reason.
Although we signed him when were under the one out one in embargo instead of a player in an area we were lacking, so there must be more to come.
Are you OK with that?
Giggs will have seen a lot more than you and I have. He will have a role in mind, and expectations.
Bowyer is not getting the best from Levitt. He might want to have a chat about it with Gunter too.
Think he should be fine at League One level for Charlton but the situation is a lot different to when we signed him, and it's a lot harder for him to break into the side. United are probably more likely to recall him before we send him back1 -
I'd trust Bowyer over Giggs any day when it comes to judging a player. Giggs is far more of a rookie managerDave Rudd said:
So, Levitt is OK for Wales, but not OK for League 1 Charlton?MattF said:
Based on the what I've seen of him for Wales (which is admittedly not a lot), I'm not sure Giggs gets that much more out of Levitt than we've seen already.Dave Rudd said:He's a full International.
Under normal circumstances I'd be ringing Giggs to get his insight into how to get more out of Levitt.
Levitt is on Man Utd's books for a reason.
Although we signed him when were under the one out one in embargo instead of a player in an area we were lacking, so there must be more to come.
Are you OK with that?
Giggs will have seen a lot more than you and I have. He will have a role in mind, and expectations.
Bowyer is not getting the best from Levitt. He might want to have a chat about it with Gunter too.1 -
Vennings and Morgan look head and shoulders above him. Of course he’s young and has a the potential otherwise he wouldn’t be at Man U. But for this season when we’re trying to push for promotion he’s nowhere near good enough to hold a loan spot.4
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Vennings and Morgan don't play in the same position. How many times... ?
Don't think people realise how well regarded Levitt is at United. He is always going to struggle with our fans because he's a clever passer and not a 'Charlton style', dynamic, smashing-around-the-pitch player that usually gets people onside.
Have we ever had a deep lying playmaker? I don't think people know what it looks like.
Eventually the table is going to split into front runners and relegation teams. Then we're going to be facing brick walls where opponents have 11 men behind the ball. You don't need a Pratley or a Watson in games like those, you need a Levitt who can cut through the lines with a pass.
LB said when he joined people would have to be patient with him. He's 18 and it's his first loan. But it's funny he's being singled out for grief when after a poor first 25 he was good for the rest of the game and spread the ball around well and broke their lines with some sharp passes.
But honestly it's gonna be hopeless for him here. It would probably be good for him and Utd if he goes somewhere else in January. He should've gone to a club with less of an industrious football culture.
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Totally agree with this.Chunes said:Vennings and Morgan don't play in the same position. How many times... ?
Don't think people realise how well regarded Levitt is at United. He is always going to struggle with our fans because he's a clever passer and not a 'Charlton style', dynamic, smashing-around-the-pitch player that usually gets people onside.
Have we ever had a deep lying playmaker? I don't think people know what it looks like.
Eventually the table is going to split into front runners and relegation teams. Then we're going to be facing brick walls where opponents have 11 men behind the ball. You don't need a Pratley or a Watson in games like those, you need a Levitt who can cut through the lines with a pass.
LB said when he joined people would have to be patient with him. He's 18 and it's his first loan. But it's funny he's being singled out for grief when after a poor first 25 he was good for the rest of the game and spread the ball around well and broke their lines with some sharp passes.
But honestly it's gonna be hopeless for him here. It would probably be good for him and Utd if he goes somewhere else in January. He should've gone to a club with less of an industrious football culture.
The boy can pass the ball, but he is guilty of not doing the other side of the game, which Morgan is singled out by Bowyer.. And this why he has been set to us on loan to learn, bit like we did with Morgan last year.0 -
This observation is wrong. Firstly, once again, they do not play the same position.DubaiCAFC said:
Totally agree with this.Chunes said:Vennings and Morgan don't play in the same position. How many times... ?
Don't think people realise how well regarded Levitt is at United. He is always going to struggle with our fans because he's a clever passer and not a 'Charlton style', dynamic, smashing-around-the-pitch player that usually gets people onside.
Have we ever had a deep lying playmaker? I don't think people know what it looks like.
Eventually the table is going to split into front runners and relegation teams. Then we're going to be facing brick walls where opponents have 11 men behind the ball. You don't need a Pratley or a Watson in games like those, you need a Levitt who can cut through the lines with a pass.
LB said when he joined people would have to be patient with him. He's 18 and it's his first loan. But it's funny he's being singled out for grief when after a poor first 25 he was good for the rest of the game and spread the ball around well and broke their lines with some sharp passes.
But honestly it's gonna be hopeless for him here. It would probably be good for him and Utd if he goes somewhere else in January. He should've gone to a club with less of an industrious football culture.
The boy can pass the ball, but he is guilty of not doing the other side of the game, which Morgan is singled out by Bowyer.. And this why he has been set to us on loan to learn, bit like we did with Morgan last year.
Morgan was singled out by Bowyer for not tracking back and doing the defensive side of his game. We know Bowyer expects his attacking midfielders to work hard for the team. He even said the same of Maddison yesterday.
Do you expect him to start singling out players for getting out played by the opposition or making mistakes? Because if he did his press conferences would be awfully long.1 -
Leuth said:Pratley won't be in midfield much this season, hopefully. And what about Oshilaja?
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