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hoof_it_up_to_benty said:colthe3rd said:Rothko said:Because that's the market
This is not to say that the BBC should be immune from criticism though. The Mrs, although doesn't work directly for them her company does a lot of work for the BBC and some of the stories really are shocking. It's such a massive lumbering organisation where failure is not punished and you're basically in a job for life regardless of your talent level. These are the things that should be sorted out and in the long run will cost more than what they pay their TV stars.
What criteria are they judged on? The BBC is awash with mediocre presenters - it's not one of the more skilled jobs in our society.
How many people are going to miss the output and insight of Gary Lineker?1 -
colthe3rd said:hoof_it_up_to_benty said:colthe3rd said:Rothko said:Because that's the market
This is not to say that the BBC should be immune from criticism though. The Mrs, although doesn't work directly for them her company does a lot of work for the BBC and some of the stories really are shocking. It's such a massive lumbering organisation where failure is not punished and you're basically in a job for life regardless of your talent level. These are the things that should be sorted out and in the long run will cost more than what they pay their TV stars.
What criteria are they judged on? The BBC is awash with mediocre presenters - it's not one of the more skilled jobs in our society.
How many people are going to miss the output and insight of Gary Lineker?2 -
colthe3rd said:hoof_it_up_to_benty said:colthe3rd said:Rothko said:Because that's the market
This is not to say that the BBC should be immune from criticism though. The Mrs, although doesn't work directly for them her company does a lot of work for the BBC and some of the stories really are shocking. It's such a massive lumbering organisation where failure is not punished and you're basically in a job for life regardless of your talent level. These are the things that should be sorted out and in the long run will cost more than what they pay their TV stars.
What criteria are they judged on? The BBC is awash with mediocre presenters - it's not one of the more skilled jobs in our society.
How many people are going to miss the output and insight of Gary Lineker?
The vast majority of BBC shows get a captive audience because of the format and the channel they're on. How many presenters really make much of a difference?
There may be some presenters who genuinely pull in an audience but very few.
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Emma Barnett .. currently hosts a morning R5 show for 3 hours 4 days a week, as well as occasional other appearances on Newsnight and the like .. next year she moves to 'Woman's Hour', a daily 1 hour R4 show .. I wonder if the reduction in hours will mean a reduction in salary ?
Huw Edwards is paid £400,000 - £500,000 p.a depending on which report one reads .. as Nick Ferrari (LBC) said (I paraphrase slightly), 'not bad money for reading a script from a teleprompter' .. other newsreaders seem to be equally overpaid, and who pays for their very smart looking suits and/or lovely dresses ? ((:>)1 -
Lincsaddick said:Emma Barnett .. currently hosts a morning R5 show for 3 hours 4 days a week, as well as occasional other appearances on Newsnight and the like .. next year she moves to 'Woman's Hour', a daily 1 hour R4 show .. I wonder if the reduction in hours will mean a reduction in salary ?
Huw Edwards is paid £400,000 - £500,000 p.a depending on which report one reads .. as Nick Ferrari (LBC) said (I paraphrase slightly), 'not bad money for reading a script from a teleprompter' .. other newsreaders seem to be equally overpaid, and who pays for their very smart looking suits and/or lovely dresses ? ((:>)4 -
No jobs should pay 1.4m a year. It just isn't necessary. Highlighting the BBC is pointless. CEOs and partners of failing "services" such as train companies, power companies, industries that contribute f*** all to the public good all suck up far bigger salaries than this. C list celebrities make more than this. We live in a world where Kim Kardashian has unimaginable wealth for having a big arse. People make more money than this by doing nothing at all.9
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Rothko said:Because that's the marketIt's not the market though, is it? That's entirely the problem people have with it. The licence fee shields the BBC from commercial market pressures.There is no way on earth Zoe Ball gets at £1.4m pay rise for losing more than a million listeners in a year. Commercial radio would kick her out on her arse.
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Wheresmeticket? said:No jobs should pay 1.4m a year. It just isn't necessary. Highlighting the BBC is pointless. CEOs and partners of failing "services" such as train companies, power companies, industries that contribute f*** all to the public good all suck up far bigger salaries than this. C list celebrities make more than this. We live in a world where Kim Kardashian has unimaginable wealth for having a big arse. People make more money than this by doing nothing at all.2
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Wheresmeticket? said:No jobs should pay 1.4m a year. It just isn't necessary. Highlighting the BBC is pointless. CEOs and partners of failing "services" such as train companies, power companies, industries that contribute f*** all to the public good all suck up far bigger salaries than this. C list celebrities make more than this. We live in a world where Kim Kardashian has unimaginable wealth for having a big arse. People make more money than this by doing nothing at all.3
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hoof_it_up_to_benty said:colthe3rd said:hoof_it_up_to_benty said:colthe3rd said:Rothko said:Because that's the market
This is not to say that the BBC should be immune from criticism though. The Mrs, although doesn't work directly for them her company does a lot of work for the BBC and some of the stories really are shocking. It's such a massive lumbering organisation where failure is not punished and you're basically in a job for life regardless of your talent level. These are the things that should be sorted out and in the long run will cost more than what they pay their TV stars.
What criteria are they judged on? The BBC is awash with mediocre presenters - it's not one of the more skilled jobs in our society.
How many people are going to miss the output and insight of Gary Lineker?
The vast majority of BBC shows get a captive audience because of the format and the channel they're on. How many presenters really make much of a difference?
There may be some presenters who genuinely pull in an audience but very few.3 - Sponsored links:
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The difference with Kim Kardashian is that she gets paid extremely high amounts of money because, for whatever absurd reason, people genuinely seem interested in HER brand.
On the other hand, Gary Lineker gets paid an extortionate amount but not because people are interested in him. He just happens to be standing in the way of the viewer and the football highlights they want to see. If any other presenter was involved, it wouldn’t make a jot of difference to MOTD ratings. The value of that show is the exclusive Premier League highlights - not him.5 -
i_b_b_o_r_g said:colthe3rd said:hoof_it_up_to_benty said:colthe3rd said:Rothko said:Because that's the market
This is not to say that the BBC should be immune from criticism though. The Mrs, although doesn't work directly for them her company does a lot of work for the BBC and some of the stories really are shocking. It's such a massive lumbering organisation where failure is not punished and you're basically in a job for life regardless of your talent level. These are the things that should be sorted out and in the long run will cost more than what they pay their TV stars.
What criteria are they judged on? The BBC is awash with mediocre presenters - it's not one of the more skilled jobs in our society.
How many people are going to miss the output and insight of Gary Lineker?3 -
cafctom said:The difference with Kim Kardashian is that she gets paid extremely high amounts of money because, for whatever absurd reason, people genuinely seem interested in HER brand.
On the other hand, Gary Lineker gets paid an extortionate amount but not because people are interested in him. He just happens to be standing in the way of the viewer and the football highlights they want to see. If any other presenter was involved, it wouldn’t make a jot of difference to MOTD ratings. The value of that show is the exclusive Premier League highlights - not him.
The Kardashian name, among others, actually puts "bums on seats" and having their names on stuff make their partners £millions on top of what they might have earned if their name weren't on it, due to the silly amount of gullible follows they have.
Watching Lineker is necessary, if you wanna watch the football highlights. Imagine how many more people would watch though, if one of the Kardashians presented MOTD...
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Pensioners and the unemployed chased through the courts to pay that jug eared crisp salesmans salary!!!!
One day they will be free from the BBC and its tyranny!!!!
Sorry bored and fishing for a bite.2 -
Lincsaddick said:Emma Barnett .. currently hosts a morning R5 show for 3 hours 4 days a week, as well as occasional other appearances on Newsnight and the like .. next year she moves to 'Woman's Hour', a daily 1 hour R4 show .. I wonder if the reduction in hours will mean a reduction in salary ?
Huw Edwards is paid £400,000 - £500,000 p.a depending on which report one reads .. as Nick Ferrari (LBC) said (I paraphrase slightly), 'not bad money for reading a script from a teleprompter' .. other newsreaders seem to be equally overpaid, and who pays for their very smart looking suits and/or lovely dresses ? ((:>)0 -
The idea that they just present for x hours is also quiet funny. from the list Lauren Laverne is criminally underpaid in comparison to people on commercial radio in the same time slot1
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Rothko said:The idea that they just present for x hours is also quiet funny. from the list Lauren Laverne is criminally underpaid in comparison to people on commercial radio in the same time slot
With the exception of the big breakfast shows, eg Global, Bauer, Wireless plus a few other spots here and there radio presenting is a pretty poorly paid profession. There is no money in local radio, your average afternoon presenter is probably on around 24k.
It is pretty sad, but radio is dying a slow death.....Don't let the people at RAJAR try and tell you otherwise.0 -
PopIcon said:Rothko said:The idea that they just present for x hours is also quiet funny. from the list Lauren Laverne is criminally underpaid in comparison to people on commercial radio in the same time slot
With the exception of the big breakfast shows, eg Global, Bauer, Wireless plus a few other spots here and there radio presenting is a pretty poorly paid profession. There is no money in local radio, your average afternoon presenter is probably on around 24k.
It is pretty sad, but radio is dying a slow death.....Don't let the people at RAJAR try and tell you otherwise.
Still think Lauren is worth more then Zoe!0 -
Wonder what Zoe earns for ecery "Errr" she comes out with. It can't be a lot, even though she's on over £1m0
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Rothko said:PopIcon said:Rothko said:The idea that they just present for x hours is also quiet funny. from the list Lauren Laverne is criminally underpaid in comparison to people on commercial radio in the same time slot
With the exception of the big breakfast shows, eg Global, Bauer, Wireless plus a few other spots here and there radio presenting is a pretty poorly paid profession. There is no money in local radio, your average afternoon presenter is probably on around 24k.
It is pretty sad, but radio is dying a slow death.....Don't let the people at RAJAR try and tell you otherwise.
Still think Lauren is worth more then Zoe!0 - Sponsored links:
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colthe3rd said:Rothko said:Because that's the market
This is not to say that the BBC should be immune from criticism though. The Mrs, although doesn't work directly for them her company does a lot of work for the BBC and some of the stories really are shocking. It's such a massive lumbering organisation where failure is not punished and you're basically in a job for life regardless of your talent level. These are the things that should be sorted out and in the long run will cost more than what they pay their TV stars.4 -
ColinTat said:colthe3rd said:Rothko said:Because that's the market
This is not to say that the BBC should be immune from criticism though. The Mrs, although doesn't work directly for them her company does a lot of work for the BBC and some of the stories really are shocking. It's such a massive lumbering organisation where failure is not punished and you're basically in a job for life regardless of your talent level. These are the things that should be sorted out and in the long run will cost more than what they pay their TV stars.0 -
ColinTat said:colthe3rd said:Rothko said:Because that's the market
This is not to say that the BBC should be immune from criticism though. The Mrs, although doesn't work directly for them her company does a lot of work for the BBC and some of the stories really are shocking. It's such a massive lumbering organisation where failure is not punished and you're basically in a job for life regardless of your talent level. These are the things that should be sorted out and in the long run will cost more than what they pay their TV stars.
The average BBC1 viewer is 61, for BBC2 it is 62.
The BBC is a dying institution filled with people who generally lack talent, but point at the "paid for" sectors full of talent to validate their inflated pay packets.
The BBC is the public sector of the broadcasting world. No profit motive and a lack of real talent.2 -
The one good thing going for the BBC is it is perfectly hated by the loony left and the loony right.
If you disagree with this... I have bad news for you....
My particular favourite (and I have seen it plenty of times on here) is where people claim on the one hand it is massively biased against "their side" and then in the next breath claim that the opposition are trying to target the impartiality of the BBC and bring it down.
Again, this is on all sides. The BBC forces the middle ground on people who quite often would choose not to listen to it, let alone see the opposite view.
For that, in these ever more divided times, it is actually a force for good.
You don't have to pay someone 6 figures to read the news though...3 -
ColinTat said:colthe3rd said:Rothko said:Because that's the market
This is not to say that the BBC should be immune from criticism though. The Mrs, although doesn't work directly for them her company does a lot of work for the BBC and some of the stories really are shocking. It's such a massive lumbering organisation where failure is not punished and you're basically in a job for life regardless of your talent level. These are the things that should be sorted out and in the long run will cost more than what they pay their TV stars.0 -
The BBC is a strange beast - a national institution that has a huge role to play but that has become too big and attempts to play in too many areas in order to justify its existence and licence fee.
I'd love to see a pared back BBC that:-
- Delivers quality news and current affairs across all media - trusted, respected and with impartial content regionally, nationally and internationally.
- Creates documentaries that inform and educate in a non sensationalist style.
- Covers major national and international sporting events - highlights are fine...
- Develops non partisan comedy and "light" entertainment.
It could save many many hundreds of millions by stopping playing the headline act / ratings game and in so doing lowering its standards to the lowest common denominator. The licence fee could be removed and the BBc could be funded through general taxation.
I would:-
- Sell off much of its current "popular" TV to commercial interest (Eastenders would be great on a commercial channel - advertisers would pay to be associated with it and my taxes won't contribute towards the absolute pile of depressive and objectionable shite it is).
- Stop paying "celebrities" millions of pounds of taxpayers money - adopt a public service pay structure and let the "talent" secure their pay packets in a commercial enterprise (then they can get the "market rate").
- Cull the proliferation of smaller channels and include the good content that exists in the core channels and stations.
My BBC would look like this:-
- BBC On line. Pretty much as it is today.
- BBC TV. reduce to two channels; BBC1. News, documentaries and current affairs, BBC2 Sport, comedy and entertainment (children's content up to 6pm)
- BBC Radio (National) . Reduce to 4 channels; Radio 1 contemporary content, younger audience, Radio 2 less contemporary content for an older audience, BBC3 specialist content (not just classical), Radio 4 news, current affairs and documentaries.
- BBC Radio (Regional). Pretty much as it is today.
- BBC World Service - continue to be the UK's voice of influence and stability around the world.
Scrap everything else...
I think I have just taken us back to about 1990. Perhaps not such a bad thing...
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SporadicAddick said:The BBC is a strange beast - a national institution that has a huge role to play but that has become too big and attempts to play in too many areas in order to justify its existence and licence fee.
I'd love to see a pared back BBC that:-
- Delivers quality news and current affairs across all media - trusted, respected and with impartial content regionally, nationally and internationally.
- Creates documentaries that inform and educate in a non sensationalist style.
- Covers major national and international sporting events - highlights are fine...
- Develops non partisan comedy and "light" entertainment.
It could save many many hundreds of millions by stopping playing the headline act / ratings game and in so doing lowering its standards to the lowest common denominator. The licence fee could be removed and the BBc could be funded through general taxation.
I would:-
- Sell off much of its current "popular" TV to commercial interest (Eastenders would be great on a commercial channel - advertisers would pay to be associated with it and my taxes won't contribute towards the absolute pile of depressive and objectionable shite it is).
- Stop paying "celebrities" millions of pounds of taxpayers money - adopt a public service pay structure and let the "talent" secure their pay packets in a commercial enterprise (then they can get the "market rate").
- Cull the proliferation of smaller channels and include the good content that exists in the core channels and stations.
My BBC would look like this:-
- BBC On line. Pretty much as it is today.
- BBC TV. reduce to two channels; BBC1. News, documentaries and current affairs, BBC2 Sport, comedy and entertainment (children's content up to 6pm)
- BBC Radio (National) . Reduce to 4 channels; Radio 1 contemporary content, younger audience, Radio 2 less contemporary content for an older audience, BBC3 specialist content (not just classical), Radio 4 news, current affairs and documentaries.
- BBC Radio (Regional). Pretty much as it is today.
- BBC World Service - continue to be the UK's voice of influence and stability around the world.
Scrap everything else...
I think I have just taken us back to about 1990. Perhaps not such a bad thing...2 -
allez les addicks said:SporadicAddick said:The BBC is a strange beast - a national institution that has a huge role to play but that has become too big and attempts to play in too many areas in order to justify its existence and licence fee.
I'd love to see a pared back BBC that:-
- Delivers quality news and current affairs across all media - trusted, respected and with impartial content regionally, nationally and internationally.
- Creates documentaries that inform and educate in a non sensationalist style.
- Covers major national and international sporting events - highlights are fine...
- Develops non partisan comedy and "light" entertainment.
It could save many many hundreds of millions by stopping playing the headline act / ratings game and in so doing lowering its standards to the lowest common denominator. The licence fee could be removed and the BBc could be funded through general taxation.
I would:-
- Sell off much of its current "popular" TV to commercial interest (Eastenders would be great on a commercial channel - advertisers would pay to be associated with it and my taxes won't contribute towards the absolute pile of depressive and objectionable shite it is).
- Stop paying "celebrities" millions of pounds of taxpayers money - adopt a public service pay structure and let the "talent" secure their pay packets in a commercial enterprise (then they can get the "market rate").
- Cull the proliferation of smaller channels and include the good content that exists in the core channels and stations.
My BBC would look like this:-
- BBC On line. Pretty much as it is today.
- BBC TV. reduce to two channels; BBC1. News, documentaries and current affairs, BBC2 Sport, comedy and entertainment (children's content up to 6pm)
- BBC Radio (National) . Reduce to 4 channels; Radio 1 contemporary content, younger audience, Radio 2 less contemporary content for an older audience, BBC3 specialist content (not just classical), Radio 4 news, current affairs and documentaries.
- BBC Radio (Regional). Pretty much as it is today.
- BBC World Service - continue to be the UK's voice of influence and stability around the world.
Scrap everything else...
I think I have just taken us back to about 1990. Perhaps not such a bad thing...
I have only listened to talksport once, a few weeks back to hear RE talk to TS. I tuned in (or logged on) about 15 minutes before the interview and was amazed that anyone can listen to that quality of content for more than 2 minutes without their brains turning to mush. I fully agree that that is why we need public service broadcasting.
Prior to 5 live, sport was covered on Radio 4. It was factual, high quality and well regarded without the need for incessant "phone ins" that seem to dominate radio broadcasting (at least I don't remember them being as ubiquitous as they are now).
I have to admit that I have a passionate dislike for them, on sport or any subject. I want to hear expert views and analysis, not the nonsense spouted by John from Surrey on why Arsene Wenger must go. I recognise the hypocrisy of saying that whilst writing on a football forum, but their is a fundamental difference between them being hosted on a national broadcast versus me choosing to come here.
Quality sport coverage could be easily accommodated on a Radio 4 as it was previously.3 -
Huskaris said:Rothko said:PopIcon said:Rothko said:The idea that they just present for x hours is also quiet funny. from the list Lauren Laverne is criminally underpaid in comparison to people on commercial radio in the same time slot
With the exception of the big breakfast shows, eg Global, Bauer, Wireless plus a few other spots here and there radio presenting is a pretty poorly paid profession. There is no money in local radio, your average afternoon presenter is probably on around 24k.
It is pretty sad, but radio is dying a slow death.....Don't let the people at RAJAR try and tell you otherwise.
Still think Lauren is worth more then Zoe!
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Rothko said:Huskaris said:Rothko said:PopIcon said:Rothko said:The idea that they just present for x hours is also quiet funny. from the list Lauren Laverne is criminally underpaid in comparison to people on commercial radio in the same time slot
With the exception of the big breakfast shows, eg Global, Bauer, Wireless plus a few other spots here and there radio presenting is a pretty poorly paid profession. There is no money in local radio, your average afternoon presenter is probably on around 24k.
It is pretty sad, but radio is dying a slow death.....Don't let the people at RAJAR try and tell you otherwise.
Still think Lauren is worth more then Zoe!
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