Man u fans seemed to be quite content with the previous (and still current) set up where their club manipulated football finances to squeeze the life out of efl clubs for their own benefit. The only reason they are a 'big' club is that they happened to be doing well when TV cameras started showing games on a regular basis in the sixties.
Think that is way off
Man Utd have been a big club since WW2 and even before.
Not sure if I'm the only one but I for one wouldn't of minded those 6 teams to fuck off. Most of their fans only care about themselves and the other 5. Only problem is hearing the bants at a pub when those fans meet up is excruciating as it is, no doubt it will get even worse with them in the sub super league.
With all the clubs involved there has been an element of musical chairs to varying extents and then stopping the music. The two clubs that feel big are Man Utd and Liverpool, but then it depends how far you go back.
In relation to the statement released by UEFA on the 7th May in respect of the Super League and the position taken by 9 of its founding clubs, Fútbol Club Barcelona, Juventus and Real Madrid Club de Fútbol state the following:
I- The founding clubs have suffered, and continue to suffer, unacceptable third-party pressures, threats, and offenses to abandon the project and therefore desist from their right and duty to provide solutions to the football ecosystem via concrete proposals and constructive dialogue. This is intolerable under the rule of law and Tribunals have already ruled in favour of the Super League proposal, ordering FIFA and UEFA to, either directly or through their affiliated bodies, refrain from taking any action which may hinder this initiative in any way while court proceedings are pending.
II- The Super League project was designed jointly by its 12 founding clubs:
a. with the aim of providing solutions to the current unsustainable situation in the football industry. The 12 founding clubs shared the same concerns -as other stakeholders in European football do-, particularly under the current socio-economic context, that structural reforms are indispensable to ensure our sport stays appealing and survives in the long-term. To that effect, on 18th April, they announced their willingness to create the Super League and establish a channel of communication with UEFA and FIFA, in a constructive spirit of collaboration between the parties, as it was so notified to each of them on such date;
b. with the utmost respect for the current football structures and ecosystem. The founding clubs expressly agreed that the Super League would only take place if such a competition was recognised by UEFA and/or FIFA or if, in accordance with applicable laws and regulations, it was deemed to be a competition duly compatible for all purposes with the continuity of the founding clubs in their respective domestic competitions. However, despite being aware of the above terms, UEFA and FIFA have so far refused to establish any adequate channel of communication; and
c. to bring financial stability to the entire European football family, currently under the effects of a deep crisis that threatens the survival of many clubs. Testament of it, the announced commitment to establish annual solidarity payments for guaranteed annual amounts that materially multiply those distributed by UEFA, and the obligation to reinforce financial sustainability rules, through the creation of a clear, transparent and effective control system verified by experts.
III- The 12 founding clubs also acknowledged that the Super League was a unique opportunity to offer fans around the world the best possible show and to reinforce global interest in the sport, which is not a “given” and is challenged by new generational trends. Moreover, one of its main objectives was to promote women's football on a global level, a tremendous, but currently underestimated, opportunity for the sector.
IV- We are fully aware of the diversity of reactions to the Super League initiative and, consequently, of the need to reflect on the reasons for some of them. We are ready to reconsider the proposed approach, as necessary. However, we would be highly irresponsible if, being aware of the needs and systemic crisis in the football sector, which led us to announce the Super League, we abandoned such mission to provide effective and sustainable answers to the existential questions that threaten the football industry.
V- We regret to see that our friends and founding partners of the Super League project have now found themselves in such inconsistent and contradictory position when signing a number of commitments to UEFA yesterday. However, given that the material issues that led the 12 founding clubs to announce the Super League weeks ago have not gone away, we reiterate that, to honour our history, to comply with our obligations towards our stakeholders and fans, for the good of football and for the financial sustainability of the sector, we have the duty to act in a responsible manner and persevere in the pursuit of adequate solutions, despite the unacceptable and ongoing pressures and threats received from UEFA.
VI- Mostly, we reiterate to FIFA, UEFA and all football stakeholders, as we have done on several occasions since the announcement of the Super League, our commitment and firm will to discuss, with respect and without intolerable pressure and in accordance with the rule of law, the most appropriate solutions for the sustainability of the whole football family.
Perez still banging on about how they're doing it for the good of football and because things are currently unsustainable. The whole reason it's unsustainable is because you offer ridiculous salaries to players. But we all know if there was a super league he would be offering the likes of Mbappe and Haaland crazy money like 1m a week!
The clubs made.the current model unsustainable though by lashing out big transfer fees and wages. If they were more sensible then it would be ok. Common sense....it will never catch on
Agreed,The Real Madrid and Barcelona model is a terrible model for the future of football. It would be great for football if they lived within their means rather than loading incredible levels of debt. They were doing that before Covid.
Atletico in pole position to win La Liga which will mean just 3 titles in 13 years for Real Madrid. Juventus smashed by AC Milan last night and currently in 5th in Serie A and might miss out on the champions league completely! Meanwhile in the premier league, Liverpool have a battle to qualify for the CL and Spurs and Arsenal might not even make the Europa.
Atletico in pole position to win La Liga which will mean just 3 titles in 13 years for Real Madrid. Juventus smashed by AC Milan last night and currently in 5th in Serie A and might miss out on the champions league completely! Meanwhile in the premier league, Liverpool have a battle to qualify for the CL and Spurs and Arsenal might not even make the Europa.
Said it at the time, and haven't changed - it's a shame they didn't push ahead with this and all twelve got intstntly expelled from all UEFA/FIFA competitions. This hasn't gone away. Perez is still trying to put a smiley face on a plan to get even more cream off the top of the footballing milk, but I imagine the directors of the clubs who becked down are simply witing for the fotball climate to change to try again. It's been said over and over again, the footballing debts of these clubs is entirely down to their own fiscal mismanagement - they all have more money than they need, but their desperate battle to stay ahead of the footballing Joneses keeps them splashing more and more on wages, Give them extra money and the cycle will continue. I hope that UEFA come down exceptionally hard on Barça, Juve and Madrid. A four year ban on European competitions and a salary cap! So they threaten to walz off and start their own super league - that's already in progress. It isn't a threat when you say you are doing it anyway. Fuck 'em.
Would anyone go for a 20 team "Elite League" if there were four relegated teams every year?
It would make national leagues more competitive while offering the "ultimate" prize of at least a season with the Elite.
I think a relegation battle in an Elite league would be more interesting than who wins it! Something to watch on Saturday or Sunday evenings while normal football continues in the traditional way?
This seems a much better outcome than the inevitable civil war leading to a complete split.
I have an idea which will benefit all humankind. Send me all of your money. When I say humankind, I mean me. I promise to buy a tramp a McDonalds coffee so the money will trickle down. Perez isn't the only one that can pull that one!
Everyone seems to have forgotten about this and any plans for football ownership reformation in this country - bit sad really. Doubt any of the big 6 are going to be punished either
Are UEFA still talking tough on these 3 clubs? They seem to have gone very quiet since the other clubs bailed. If Perez and his cronies are still trying to pursue this then UEFA need to grow a pair and actually do something meaningful about it.
Everyone seems to have forgotten about this and any plans for football ownership reformation in this country - bit sad really. Doubt any of the big 6 are going to be punished either
Probably get told that we’re lucky to still have them in the premier league.
Boris Johnson did give the controversial European Super League plans the nod, sources told the Mirror.
They claimed the Prime Minister’s chief of staff Dan Rosenfield told him about the proposal after a No 10 meeting with Manchester United ’s Ed Woodward.
The Government insider said: “Boris doesn’t know much about football so he said it was a great idea.
"So Dan told the clubs No 10 wouldn’t stand in their way.
"Then it all kicked off...”
Downing Street has repeatedly denied that the plan was discussed at the high-level meeting just days before the ESL move was announced.
They have insisted that the PM, who briefly met Woodward after the meeting, first learned of the plan when it was confirmed by the clubs.
But a second source, close to the football clubs, also claimed the PM appeared to have given Mr Rosenfield the impression he was happy for the scheme to go ahead.
They said: “Ed came back to the clubs to say they had got the green light from No 10. Dan would not have [gone] all the way without checking Boris’s view.”
The plan for the so-called ‘big six’ English clubs to join a Super League with clubs like Real Madrid, Barcelona and Juventus dramatically unravelled just 48 hours after it was confirmed.
As the scale of football fans’ fury became clear, Government ministers – including Mr Johnson – roundly condemned the move.
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Man Utd have been a big club since WW2 and even before.
Only problem is hearing the bants at a pub when those fans meet up is excruciating as it is, no doubt it will get even worse with them in the sub super league.
Not sure if that is €15m fine each or between the nine clubs to go to grass roots football
€50m and €100m possible future fines
Barca, Real and Juve still holding out so may get bigger fines.
15m each wouldn't have been much but a 9th of that is nothing
surely the deadline of the threat from UEFA on sanctions on these three teams has been and gone.
they are standing by their Super League. their 3 team super league as it is at the moment.
In relation to the statement released by UEFA on the 7th May in respect of the Super League and the position taken by 9 of its founding clubs, Fútbol Club Barcelona, Juventus and Real Madrid Club de Fútbol state the following:
I- The founding clubs have suffered, and continue to suffer, unacceptable third-party pressures, threats, and offenses to abandon the project and therefore desist from their right and duty to provide solutions to the football ecosystem via concrete proposals and constructive dialogue. This is intolerable under the rule of law and Tribunals have already ruled in favour of the Super League proposal, ordering FIFA and UEFA to, either directly or through their affiliated bodies, refrain from taking any action which may hinder this initiative in any way while court proceedings are pending.
II- The Super League project was designed jointly by its 12 founding clubs:
a. with the aim of providing solutions to the current unsustainable situation in the football industry. The 12 founding clubs shared the same concerns -as other stakeholders in European football do-, particularly under the current socio-economic context, that structural reforms are indispensable to ensure our sport stays appealing and survives in the long-term. To that effect, on 18th April, they announced their willingness to create the Super League and establish a channel of communication with UEFA and FIFA, in a constructive spirit of collaboration between the parties, as it was so notified to each of them on such date;
b. with the utmost respect for the current football structures and ecosystem. The founding clubs expressly agreed that the Super League would only take place if such a competition was recognised by UEFA and/or FIFA or if, in accordance with applicable laws and regulations, it was deemed to be a competition duly compatible for all purposes with the continuity of the founding clubs in their respective domestic competitions. However, despite being aware of the above terms, UEFA and FIFA have so far refused to establish any adequate channel of communication; and
c. to bring financial stability to the entire European football family, currently under the effects of a deep crisis that threatens the survival of many clubs. Testament of it, the announced commitment to establish annual solidarity payments for guaranteed annual amounts that materially multiply those distributed by UEFA, and the obligation to reinforce financial sustainability rules, through the creation of a clear, transparent and effective control system verified by experts.
III- The 12 founding clubs also acknowledged that the Super League was a unique opportunity to offer fans around the world the best possible show and to reinforce global interest in the sport, which is not a “given” and is challenged by new generational trends. Moreover, one of its main objectives was to promote women's football on a global level, a tremendous, but currently underestimated, opportunity for the sector.
IV- We are fully aware of the diversity of reactions to the Super League initiative and, consequently, of the need to reflect on the reasons for some of them. We are ready to reconsider the proposed approach, as necessary. However, we would be highly irresponsible if, being aware of the needs and systemic crisis in the football sector, which led us to announce the Super League, we abandoned such mission to provide effective and sustainable answers to the existential questions that threaten the football industry.
V- We regret to see that our friends and founding partners of the Super League project have now found themselves in such inconsistent and contradictory position when signing a number of commitments to UEFA yesterday. However, given that the material issues that led the 12 founding clubs to announce the Super League weeks ago have not gone away, we reiterate that, to honour our history, to comply with our obligations towards our stakeholders and fans, for the good of football and for the financial sustainability of the sector, we have the duty to act in a responsible manner and persevere in the pursuit of adequate solutions, despite the unacceptable and ongoing pressures and threats received from UEFA.
VI- Mostly, we reiterate to FIFA, UEFA and all football stakeholders, as we have done on several occasions since the announcement of the Super League, our commitment and firm will to discuss, with respect and without intolerable pressure and in accordance with the rule of law, the most appropriate solutions for the sustainability of the whole football family.
Perez still banging on about how they're doing it for the good of football and because things are currently unsustainable. The whole reason it's unsustainable is because you offer ridiculous salaries to players. But we all know if there was a super league he would be offering the likes of Mbappe and Haaland crazy money like 1m a week!
Atletico in pole position to win La Liga which will mean just 3 titles in 13 years for Real Madrid.
Juventus smashed by AC Milan last night and currently in 5th in Serie A and might miss out on the champions league completely!
Meanwhile in the premier league, Liverpool have a battle to qualify for the CL and Spurs and Arsenal might not even make the Europa.
It's been said over and over again, the footballing debts of these clubs is entirely down to their own fiscal mismanagement - they all have more money than they need, but their desperate battle to stay ahead of the footballing Joneses keeps them splashing more and more on wages, Give them extra money and the cycle will continue. I hope that UEFA come down exceptionally hard on Barça, Juve and Madrid. A four year ban on European competitions and a salary cap! So they threaten to walz off and start their own super league - that's already in progress. It isn't a threat when you say you are doing it anyway. Fuck 'em.
It would make national leagues more competitive while offering the "ultimate" prize of at least a season with the Elite.
I think a relegation battle in an Elite league would be more interesting than who wins it! Something to watch on Saturday or Sunday evenings while normal football continues in the traditional way?
This seems a much better outcome than the inevitable civil war leading to a complete split.
Let's hope the "hunchbacks" as they are called in Italy do go down.
Boris Johnson did give the controversial European Super League plans the nod, sources told the Mirror.
They claimed the Prime Minister’s chief of staff Dan Rosenfield told him about the proposal after a No 10 meeting with Manchester United ’s Ed Woodward.
The Government insider said: “Boris doesn’t know much about football so he said it was a great idea.
"So Dan told the clubs No 10 wouldn’t stand in their way.
"Then it all kicked off...”
Downing Street has repeatedly denied that the plan was discussed at the high-level meeting just days before the ESL move was announced.
They have insisted that the PM, who briefly met Woodward after the meeting, first learned of the plan when it was confirmed by the clubs.
But a second source, close to the football clubs, also claimed the PM appeared to have given Mr Rosenfield the impression he was happy for the scheme to go ahead.
They said: “Ed came back to the clubs to say they had got the green light from No 10. Dan would not have [gone] all the way without checking Boris’s view.”
The plan for the so-called ‘big six’ English clubs to join a Super League with clubs like Real Madrid, Barcelona and Juventus dramatically unravelled just 48 hours after it was confirmed.
As the scale of football fans’ fury became clear, Government ministers – including Mr Johnson – roundly condemned the move.
That’ll learn them.