To be honest I’m not really sure that there’s much that can be done as a society with regard to Covid. The data is still many years away from being complete and studies now won’t truly reflect the eventuality of what Covid is doing / has done. There simply hasn’t been enough time.
In truth, the same thing could be said of the possible long term effects of the vaccines
But there is a huge amount of data about the long term effects of other vaccines, which is why they continue to be used.
Surely it's better to never become infected in the first place, rather than rely on catching the disease to gain immunity.
Pie in the sky nonsense. Our strength as a species is its ability to live side by side with some quite nasty organisms. Our immune system has developed for a reason.
It's our best defense in the event of an alien invasion! :-)
PS I'm aware that there's zero chance of an alien invasion.
PS I'm aware that there's zero chance of an alien invasion.
"Yes, the chances of anything coming from Mars are a million to one" he said "The chances of anything coming from Mars are a million to one" But still they come!
Secret WhatsApp messages released today reveal that Downing Street ordered the U.K. regulator, the MHRA to ‘knock down’ vax concerns because of extremely poor efficacy.
Secret WhatsApp messages released today reveal that Downing Street ordered the U.K. regulator, the MHRA to ‘knock down’ vax concerns because of extremely poor efficacy.
The NHS is said to be facing a 'quademic' this year with Covid, Flu, RSV and Norovirus all freely circulating. A & E departments are facing huge problems, with ambulances waiting times increasing. Unless we get a grip on infection control procedures this will continue to happen. We should be doing so much more to stop the spread of viruses. The toll on the economy, health care systems and children's education due to frequent sickness absences, must be recognised.
The hospitalisation figures for last week show that COVID has the highest of all four, so it is still having a big impact on the NHS. We are never going to get NHS figures down all the time we have the attitude that there is nothing to be done. There is so much that CAN be done to reduce infection, better ventilation and air filtration, hand washing, better testing, staying at home if sick and masking in healthcare settings. Nosocomial infections are very likely and if you go to hospital with something unrelated, your likelihood of contracting one or more of the four viruses is very high.
There has been a 352% increase in the number of people hospitalised with the flu compared to this time last year, NHS data shows.
NHS fears of a potential 'quad-demic' are rising, with the number of patients currently in hospital with the flu now at 1,099 every day last week. This time last year it was just 243.
However, last year's flu season peaked much later, at the end of January.
New weekly figures show the NHS is going into the winter under significant pressure. More than a thousand beds were occupied every day last week with adults suffering fromdiarrhoea and vomiting bugs, and norovirus, peaking at 1,160 on Sunday. This compared to an average of 591 daily cases in hospital this time last year.
And there was an average of 1,390 patients with COVID in hospital beds each day last week, and 142 children in hospital each day with RSV, along with 756 patients with norovirus - an 86% increase from a year ago.
The NHS is said to be facing a 'quademic' this year with Covid, Flu, RSV and Norovirus all freely circulating. A & E departments are facing huge problems, with ambulances waiting times increasing. Unless we get a grip on infection control procedures this will continue to happen. We should be doing so much more to stop the spread of viruses. The toll on the economy, health care systems and children's education due to frequent sickness absences, must be recognised.
The hospitalisation figures for last week show that COVID has the highest of all four, so it is still having a big impact on the NHS. We are never going to get NHS figures down all the time we have the attitude that there is nothing to be done. There is so much that CAN be done to reduce infection, better ventilation and air filtration, hand washing, better testing, staying at home if sick and masking in healthcare settings. Nosocomial infections are very likely and if you go to hospital with something unrelated, your likelihood of contracting one or more of the four viruses is very high.
There has been a 352% increase in the number of people hospitalised with the flu compared to this time last year, NHS data shows.
NHS fears of a potential 'quad-demic' are rising, with the number of patients currently in hospital with the flu now at 1,099 every day last week. This time last year it was just 243.
However, last year's flu season peaked much later, at the end of January.
New weekly figures show the NHS is going into the winter under significant pressure. More than a thousand beds were occupied every day last week with adults suffering fromdiarrhoea and vomiting bugs, and norovirus, peaking at 1,160 on Sunday. This compared to an average of 591 daily cases in hospital this time last year.
And there was an average of 1,390 patients with COVID in hospital beds each day last week, and 142 children in hospital each day with RSV, along with 756 patients with norovirus - an 86% increase from a year ago.
I have to admit I’ve not heard of RSV. I was surprised to see they have a vaccine for it too.
Mr Tatters started the week with what I thought was ‘man flu’. However I’ve now got it too. It doesn’t feel as bad as COVID by any means. I’ve kind of forgotten that the common cold still exists.
My wife is really ill at the moment, high temperature, cough and feels awful. Done a couple of tests that were negative. Me and my daughter have been keeping out of her way but her friend from school texted her tonight to say she’s tested positive. They’ve been together all day and my daughter also tried some of her drink so no doubt will have been infected.
My wife is really ill at the moment, high temperature, cough and feels awful. Done a couple of tests that were negative. Me and my daughter have been keeping out of her way but her friend from school texted her tonight to say she’s tested positive. They’ve been together all day and my daughter also tried some of her drink so no doubt will have been infected.
I hope your wife feels better soon and that you and your daughter are OK.
My wife is really ill at the moment, high temperature, cough and feels awful. Done a couple of tests that were negative. Me and my daughter have been keeping out of her way but her friend from school texted her tonight to say she’s tested positive. They’ve been together all day and my daughter also tried some of her drink so no doubt will have been infected.
How old are the tests you used? I know a few people who used older tests that didn't show positive, then bought newer ones that did - either the old ones had expired, or weren't as good at picking up newer variants?
My wife is really ill at the moment, high temperature, cough and feels awful. Done a couple of tests that were negative. Me and my daughter have been keeping out of her way but her friend from school texted her tonight to say she’s tested positive. They’ve been together all day and my daughter also tried some of her drink so no doubt will have been infected.
How old are the tests you used? I know a few people who used older tests that didn't show positive, then bought newer ones that did - either the old ones had expired, or weren't as good at picking up newer variants?
They were new ones mate, bought them during the week. I think she’s got proper flu, been in bed since Thursday afternoon, still got high temp and achy.
I've also heard of people testing negative for Covid a few days, then testing positive.
That seems quite common. I suspect the lateral flows can only pick up covid once a particular threshold has been reached. Several times my wife and I have been feeling rough and tested for covid, getting negative results for the first few days then eventually turning positive.
My wife is really ill at the moment, high temperature, cough and feels awful. Done a couple of tests that were negative. Me and my daughter have been keeping out of her way but her friend from school texted her tonight to say she’s tested positive. They’ve been together all day and my daughter also tried some of her drink so no doubt will have been infected.
How old are the tests you used? I know a few people who used older tests that didn't show positive, then bought newer ones that did - either the old ones had expired, or weren't as good at picking up newer variants?
They were new ones mate, bought them during the week. I think she’s got proper flu, been in bed since Thursday afternoon, still got high temp and achy.
I’ve caught it now. High temp, achy, cough, snotty nose and taste gone.
Done a couple of tests that were both negative. Feel awful but don’t think I’m as bad as my wife was, possibly because I had the flu jab last month (she not eligible yet).
My wife is really ill at the moment, high temperature, cough and feels awful. Done a couple of tests that were negative. Me and my daughter have been keeping out of her way but her friend from school texted her tonight to say she’s tested positive. They’ve been together all day and my daughter also tried some of her drink so no doubt will have been infected.
How old are the tests you used? I know a few people who used older tests that didn't show positive, then bought newer ones that did - either the old ones had expired, or weren't as good at picking up newer variants?
They were new ones mate, bought them during the week. I think she’s got proper flu, been in bed since Thursday afternoon, still got high temp and achy.
I’ve caught it now. High temp, achy, cough, snotty nose and taste gone.
Done a couple of tests that were both negative. Feel awful but don’t think I’m as bad as my wife was, possibly because I had the flu jab last month (she not eligible yet).
My wife is really ill at the moment, high temperature, cough and feels awful. Done a couple of tests that were negative. Me and my daughter have been keeping out of her way but her friend from school texted her tonight to say she’s tested positive. They’ve been together all day and my daughter also tried some of her drink so no doubt will have been infected.
How old are the tests you used? I know a few people who used older tests that didn't show positive, then bought newer ones that did - either the old ones had expired, or weren't as good at picking up newer variants?
They were new ones mate, bought them during the week. I think she’s got proper flu, been in bed since Thursday afternoon, still got high temp and achy.
I’ve caught it now. High temp, achy, cough, snotty nose and taste gone.
Done a couple of tests that were both negative. Feel awful but don’t think I’m as bad as my wife was, possibly because I had the flu jab last month (she not eligible yet).
My wife is really ill at the moment, high temperature, cough and feels awful. Done a couple of tests that were negative. Me and my daughter have been keeping out of her way but her friend from school texted her tonight to say she’s tested positive. They’ve been together all day and my daughter also tried some of her drink so no doubt will have been infected.
How old are the tests you used? I know a few people who used older tests that didn't show positive, then bought newer ones that did - either the old ones had expired, or weren't as good at picking up newer variants?
They were new ones mate, bought them during the week. I think she’s got proper flu, been in bed since Thursday afternoon, still got high temp and achy.
I’ve caught it now. High temp, achy, cough, snotty nose and taste gone.
Done a couple of tests that were both negative. Feel awful but don’t think I’m as bad as my wife was, possibly because I had the flu jab last month (she not eligible yet).
Shit - bound to happen with it being in the family. If it's any consolation, if it's the same strain I had. A few months back, it was over a lot quicker than the first one I had. Rest up!
My wife is really ill at the moment, high temperature, cough and feels awful. Done a couple of tests that were negative. Me and my daughter have been keeping out of her way but her friend from school texted her tonight to say she’s tested positive. They’ve been together all day and my daughter also tried some of her drink so no doubt will have been infected.
How old are the tests you used? I know a few people who used older tests that didn't show positive, then bought newer ones that did - either the old ones had expired, or weren't as good at picking up newer variants?
They were new ones mate, bought them during the week. I think she’s got proper flu, been in bed since Thursday afternoon, still got high temp and achy.
I’ve caught it now. High temp, achy, cough, snotty nose and taste gone.
Done a couple of tests that were both negative. Feel awful but don’t think I’m as bad as my wife was, possibly because I had the flu jab last month (she not eligible yet).
Shit - bound to happen with it being in the family. If it's any consolation, if it's the same strain I had. A few months back, it was over a lot quicker than the first one I had. Rest up!
Cheers mate, to be honest, I’d rather have it now and get it cleared for Christmas.
The NHS is said to be facing a 'quademic' this year with Covid, Flu, RSV and Norovirus all freely circulating. A & E departments are facing huge problems, with ambulances waiting times increasing. Unless we get a grip on infection control procedures this will continue to happen. We should be doing so much more to stop the spread of viruses. The toll on the economy, health care systems and children's education due to frequent sickness absences, must be recognised.
The hospitalisation figures for last week show that COVID has the highest of all four, so it is still having a big impact on the NHS. We are never going to get NHS figures down all the time we have the attitude that there is nothing to be done. There is so much that CAN be done to reduce infection, better ventilation and air filtration, hand washing, better testing, staying at home if sick and masking in healthcare settings. Nosocomial infections are very likely and if you go to hospital with something unrelated, your likelihood of contracting one or more of the four viruses is very high.
There has been a 352% increase in the number of people hospitalised with the flu compared to this time last year, NHS data shows.
NHS fears of a potential 'quad-demic' are rising, with the number of patients currently in hospital with the flu now at 1,099 every day last week. This time last year it was just 243.
However, last year's flu season peaked much later, at the end of January.
New weekly figures show the NHS is going into the winter under significant pressure. More than a thousand beds were occupied every day last week with adults suffering fromdiarrhoea and vomiting bugs, and norovirus, peaking at 1,160 on Sunday. This compared to an average of 591 daily cases in hospital this time last year.
And there was an average of 1,390 patients with COVID in hospital beds each day last week, and 142 children in hospital each day with RSV, along with 756 patients with norovirus - an 86% increase from a year ago.
I'm working on the response to this, in fact a bunch of those stats came from my team. It's clear the NHS is facing its toughest winter for a long time. Loads of pressures, system already running hot but none of the extra measures or support that was available during covid. In a usual winter over the last few years we hope that the 12 weekly peaks of covid and flu are out of sync with each other. This year they are falling at the same time plus RSV and Norovirus. We can hope it's one short sharp peak and the rest of winter is more manageable. Its gonna be bad and were still early on. If we get a second peak of them all at once it'll be even more concerning
Anyone whos been offered a covid flu or RSV vaccine I would urge you to get it. I've had the flu jab and I'm in my 20s. It really does have a big impact on the big picture and NHS operation at these pinch points.
The NHS is said to be facing a 'quademic' this year with Covid, Flu, RSV and Norovirus all freely circulating. A & E departments are facing huge problems, with ambulances waiting times increasing. Unless we get a grip on infection control procedures this will continue to happen. We should be doing so much more to stop the spread of viruses. The toll on the economy, health care systems and children's education due to frequent sickness absences, must be recognised.
The hospitalisation figures for last week show that COVID has the highest of all four, so it is still having a big impact on the NHS. We are never going to get NHS figures down all the time we have the attitude that there is nothing to be done. There is so much that CAN be done to reduce infection, better ventilation and air filtration, hand washing, better testing, staying at home if sick and masking in healthcare settings. Nosocomial infections are very likely and if you go to hospital with something unrelated, your likelihood of contracting one or more of the four viruses is very high.
There has been a 352% increase in the number of people hospitalised with the flu compared to this time last year, NHS data shows.
NHS fears of a potential 'quad-demic' are rising, with the number of patients currently in hospital with the flu now at 1,099 every day last week. This time last year it was just 243.
However, last year's flu season peaked much later, at the end of January.
New weekly figures show the NHS is going into the winter under significant pressure. More than a thousand beds were occupied every day last week with adults suffering fromdiarrhoea and vomiting bugs, and norovirus, peaking at 1,160 on Sunday. This compared to an average of 591 daily cases in hospital this time last year.
And there was an average of 1,390 patients with COVID in hospital beds each day last week, and 142 children in hospital each day with RSV, along with 756 patients with norovirus - an 86% increase from a year ago.
I'm working on the response to this, in fact a bunch of those stats came from my team. It's clear the NHS is facing its toughest winter for a long time. Loads of pressures, system already running hot but none of the extra measures or support that was available during covid. In a usual winter iver the last few years we hope that peaks of covid and flu which usually happen every 12 weeks are out of sync with each other. This year they are falling at the same time plus RSV and Norovirus. We can hope it's one short sharp peak and the rest of winter is more manageable. If we get a second peak of them all at once I'd be worried
Anyone whos been offered a covid flu or RSV vaccine I would urge you to get it. I've had the flu jab and I'm in my 20s. It really does have a big impact on the big picture and NHS operation at these pinch points.
I was watching Morning Live today and Dr Xand was talking about the high number of people hospitalised each day with flu. He struggled to mention the elephant in the room that is Covid, which had higher numbers of people hospitalised each day.
It's bizarre that the media just doesn't want to discuss Covid, although it's clear it is still having a big impact.
Covid has still not settled into a seasonal pattern like flu, as it has several waves each year.
The NHS is said to be facing a 'quademic' this year with Covid, Flu, RSV and Norovirus all freely circulating. A & E departments are facing huge problems, with ambulances waiting times increasing. Unless we get a grip on infection control procedures this will continue to happen. We should be doing so much more to stop the spread of viruses. The toll on the economy, health care systems and children's education due to frequent sickness absences, must be recognised.
The hospitalisation figures for last week show that COVID has the highest of all four, so it is still having a big impact on the NHS. We are never going to get NHS figures down all the time we have the attitude that there is nothing to be done. There is so much that CAN be done to reduce infection, better ventilation and air filtration, hand washing, better testing, staying at home if sick and masking in healthcare settings. Nosocomial infections are very likely and if you go to hospital with something unrelated, your likelihood of contracting one or more of the four viruses is very high.
There has been a 352% increase in the number of people hospitalised with the flu compared to this time last year, NHS data shows.
NHS fears of a potential 'quad-demic' are rising, with the number of patients currently in hospital with the flu now at 1,099 every day last week. This time last year it was just 243.
However, last year's flu season peaked much later, at the end of January.
New weekly figures show the NHS is going into the winter under significant pressure. More than a thousand beds were occupied every day last week with adults suffering fromdiarrhoea and vomiting bugs, and norovirus, peaking at 1,160 on Sunday. This compared to an average of 591 daily cases in hospital this time last year.
And there was an average of 1,390 patients with COVID in hospital beds each day last week, and 142 children in hospital each day with RSV, along with 756 patients with norovirus - an 86% increase from a year ago.
I'm working on the response to this, in fact a bunch of those stats came from my team. It's clear the NHS is facing its toughest winter for a long time. Loads of pressures, system already running hot but none of the extra measures or support that was available during covid. In a usual winter over the last few years we hope that the 12 weekly peaks of covid and flu are out of sync with each other. This year they are falling at the same time plus RSV and Norovirus. We can hope it's one short sharp peak and the rest of winter is more manageable. Its gonna be bad and were still early on. If we get a second peak of them all at once it'll be even more concerning
Anyone whos been offered a covid flu or RSV vaccine I would urge you to get it. I've had the flu jab and I'm in my 20s. It really does have a big impact on the big picture and NHS operation at these pinch points.
We need better messaging to reduce infection, masking in healthcare settings, making staying at home if unwell the norm, clean air in all public buildings and vaccination more freely available.
We will continue to have problems in the NHS every winter, unless the population and those in charge, take a different attitude to infection control.
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PS I'm aware that there's zero chance of an alien invasion.
"The chances of anything coming from Mars are a million to one"
But still they come!
Eve Of The War, Jeff Wayne's War Of The Worlds
Secret WhatsApp messages released today reveal that Downing Street ordered the U.K. regulator, the MHRA to ‘knock down’ vax concerns because of extremely poor efficacy.
https://x.com/DrAseemMalhotra/status/1862156458269249567
No-one has ever said that vaccines don't have side effects for some people, but the overwhelming evidence is that that they have saved many lives.
The NHS is said to be facing a 'quademic' this year with Covid, Flu, RSV and Norovirus all freely circulating. A & E departments are facing huge problems, with ambulances waiting times increasing. Unless we get a grip on infection control procedures this will continue to happen. We should be doing so much more to stop the spread of viruses. The toll on the economy, health care systems and children's education due to frequent sickness absences, must be recognised.
The hospitalisation figures for last week show that COVID has the highest of all four, so it is still having a big impact on the NHS. We are never going to get NHS figures down all the time we have the attitude that there is nothing to be done. There is so much that CAN be done to reduce infection, better ventilation and air filtration, hand washing, better testing, staying at home if sick and masking in healthcare settings. Nosocomial infections are very likely and if you go to hospital with something unrelated, your likelihood of contracting one or more of the four viruses is very high.
https://news.sky.com/story/more-than-350-rise-in-people-hospitalised-with-flu-as-nhs-faces-quad-demic-13267331?fbclid=IwY2xjawG_07lleHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHY5D-0vcuA2TzM5INLC3CeaAPaYNcErbhYsj8so5ZwRrZIBSmsGj2nzCfQ_aem_1cJpn2U7xfG_XHdEKikCxA
There has been a 352% increase in the number of people hospitalised with the flu compared to this time last year, NHS data shows.
NHS fears of a potential 'quad-demic' are rising, with the number of patients currently in hospital with the flu now at 1,099 every day last week. This time last year it was just 243.
However, last year's flu season peaked much later, at the end of January.
New weekly figures show the NHS is going into the winter under significant pressure. More than a thousand beds were occupied every day last week with adults suffering from diarrhoea and vomiting bugs, and norovirus, peaking at 1,160 on Sunday. This compared to an average of 591 daily cases in hospital this time last year.
And there was an average of 1,390 patients with COVID in hospital beds each day last week, and 142 children in hospital each day with RSV, along with 756 patients with norovirus - an 86% increase from a year ago.
Anyone whos been offered a covid flu or RSV vaccine I would urge you to get it. I've had the flu jab and I'm in my 20s. It really does have a big impact on the big picture and NHS operation at these pinch points.
.Great post straight from the horses mouth 👍
It's bizarre that the media just doesn't want to discuss Covid, although it's clear it is still having a big impact.
Covid has still not settled into a seasonal pattern like flu, as it has several waves each year.
We will continue to have problems in the NHS every winter, unless the population and those in charge, take a different attitude to infection control.
I ask because I did and theres been some reports issued in the medical journals about the possibility.
I'm not looking to make any accusations about vaccines in an RFK manner just genuinely asking for any information.