Even if he alienates the whole squad with his behaviour? No man is bigger than the club.
If Bowyer is losing it, TS either needs to support him or replace him.
I hope LB can turn it around, but it seems he's alienating the squad one at a time. The fact we know a seasoned pro has come out and said he's losing it is very concerning.
I don’t believe LB is losing it, so he has my support 100%
Even despite that being the message seeping out over the last few games? You have zero doubt?
It's irrelevant whether or not we believe Bowyer has lost the plot, if that's what the players are thinking then there's very little we as fans are going to do to change their minds
Even if he alienates the whole squad with his behaviour? No man is bigger than the club.
If Bowyer is losing it, TS either needs to support him or replace him.
I hope LB can turn it around, but it seems he's alienating the squad one at a time. The fact we know a seasoned pro has come out and said he's losing it is very concerning.
Is there any actual evidence that LB is 'losing it'?
We are a big side in a shit league. Bowyer is showing signs of losing it and acting in a way by singling out players for public criticism that will lose you the dressing room. This needs sorting out to increase our chances of getting promotion.
I am not saying sack him, I am saying he needs to sort this out urgently or be sacked. We are in league One FFS! Do you actually watch and understand how shit this league actually is?
We were 48 hours from administration less than 3 months ago and rescued with the transfer window about to close. We were damn lucky that Bow, Jacko and Steve G stuck with us through all the shit that went before. Get real FFS.
I absolutely agree with this post. However, the question is when do you look past the fact Bowyer stayed loyal.
For clarity, im definitely not in the get rid of Bowyer camp. I 100% agree he’s earnt that extra bit of loyalty. But I keep seeing two points mentioned, firstly that we can’t sack him because he stuck by us, and secondly that we should just be grateful we have a club.
I agree with both of those but when does that end. We get relegated to the national league under Bowyer but we should just be grateful we have a club? It’s not going to be a nice day but there could well come a point where we have to forget the past and concentrate on the present and future.
Even if he alienates the whole squad with his behaviour? No man is bigger than the club.
If Bowyer is losing it, TS either needs to support him or replace him.
I hope LB can turn it around, but it seems he's alienating the squad one at a time. The fact we know a seasoned pro has come out and said he's losing it is very concerning.
Is there any actual evidence that LB is 'losing it'?
Words from a trusted poster, that he says came from a long standing senior pro.
Not saying LB is definitely losing it, but that was the noise post MK and again post Shrews allegedly coming out of the club. His behaviour in that post match interview also didn't help disprove the message.
Sure could be hearsay could be BS, but I've heard and seen enough to start questioning it and can see there is potential that he is starting to lose the dressing room.
Even if he alienates the whole squad with his behaviour? No man is bigger than the club.
If Bowyer is losing it, TS either needs to support him or replace him.
I hope LB can turn it around, but it seems he's alienating the squad one at a time. The fact we know a seasoned pro has come out and said he's losing it is very concerning.
Is there any actual evidence that LB is 'losing it'?
Even if he alienates the whole squad with his behaviour? No man is bigger than the club.
If Bowyer is losing it, TS either needs to support him or replace him.
I hope LB can turn it around, but it seems he's alienating the squad one at a time. The fact we know a seasoned pro has come out and said he's losing it is very concerning.
I don’t believe LB is losing it, so he has my support 100%
Even despite that being the message seeping out over the last few games? You have zero doubt?
LB is still massively in credit, yes he's under a bit more pressure now - but are people seriously calling for his head (and therefore probably that of his backroom staff as well??) - very short memories...
JW has failed to deliver in reality, he's not been good enough or consistent enough. Bottling out of a tackle is unacceptable at any level of football. I like him but he has to step up, on his day he's a match winner - trouble is, those days are very rare
Even if he alienates the whole squad with his behaviour? No man is bigger than the club.
If Bowyer is losing it, TS either needs to support him or replace him.
I hope LB can turn it around, but it seems he's alienating the squad one at a time. The fact we know a seasoned pro has come out and said he's losing it is very concerning.
Is there any actual evidence that LB is 'losing it'?
Words from a trusted poster, that he says came from a long standing senior pro.
Not saying LB is definitely losing it, but that was the noise post MK and again post Shrews allegedly coming out of the club. His behaviour in that post match interview also didn't help disprove the message.
Sure could be hearsay could be BS, but I've heard and seen enough to start questioning it and can see there is potential that he is starting to lose the dressing room.
I just don't understand how we've done a complete U turn since the international break
All I have seen is people disappointed with his tactics and post match theatrics... and now the news he's losing the dressing room.
Personally I have stated several times, I hope Bowyer turns it around. I'll understand if TS gets news from inside the club and makes a decision to replace Bowyer and at the same time, I'll understand if he chooses to back Bowyer and support him further.
Williams starts for Wales. His coming on changed the Playoff final.
We're going all the way back to the play-off final
To be fair he did have a very good 30 mins, in a L1 game (play off final) 18 months ago.
He was outstanding for the first few months in the championship and anyone saying other wise is either blind, being obtuse or deliberately argumentative to fit an agenda.
Thats right. He got injured against Derby reaching in to tackle ( I happened to be there for that one, and was incensed the ref gave a free kick against him) He had to walk slowly round the perimeter, and as he went everyone applauded him and the Covered End was singing his name. But possibly @Covered End ? Well, did you?
in the play off final he was pushed forward with Aribo, an option Bow had because behind him were Cullen and Bielik, two young players who will have top level careers. While he drew fouls on the wing he often picked up the ball in the middle and took the ball out wide - and forward. Netflix made a doc about Sunderland but they found precious seconds and edits to show the impact of Williams on the game, and cleverly contrasting that of McGeady.
That said, his challenges on Saturday were lamentable. Bow was right to be pissed off. But I think he’d do well to be pissed off in private. And its a good idea to let JJ do the post match, if he’s pissed off. Then again, if I’d put up with what Bow has in the last 18 months, I’d be very pissed off. For that reason, he’s got my 100% support, just hope he’ll think about how he handles the post match bollocks, because really those inane “conferences” cause all the problems.
So all in all its far from a clear call, and anyone looking for simple answers and one clear villain, is going to be disappointed, and the public search for him will just have us kicking shit out of each other on here.
Which makes the fact he hasn't had a run in the team since even worse. This isn't an issue that started on Saturday, this has been going on since he came back from that injury.
All I have seen is people disappointed with his tactics and post match theatrics... and now the news he's losing the dressing room.
Personally I have stated several times, I hope Bowyer turns it around. I'll understand if TS gets news from inside the club and makes a decision to replace Bowyer and at the same time, I'll understand if he chooses to back Bowyer and support him further.
I can't talk for other social media platforms, but at least on here I think I have seen maybe 1 poster actually 'call for his head'.
J BLOCK I appreciate you cannot give t0o much further details into the conversation you had, but did you get any impression about how things may pan out in the long term, such as we will be able to turn it around?
All of a sudden we win another 6 games on the bounce and then all of the 'dressing room unrest' disappears. A winning camp is a happy camp.
Putting aside our opinions on Williams ability for the moment, it's a clear indication all is not right in the camp. JW has basically just said he doesn't respect the manager. If he feels aggrieved he's going to have others who are on his side. And let's be honest, most of the fans agree the sub was wrong, so it's not unlikely that the squad feel the same.
I find it worrying. If LB has lost the dressing room, it's going to be a very tough few months.
Fair enough. My issue is he's never seemed to be tactic-less previously, so it seems to be a bit out of character that suddenly he would abandon tactics. In fact in last weeks MK Dons post-match Bowyer said they had set up to try and catch the GK out when playing the ball short, which he said nearly worked, and to be fair it did nearly work a few times in the first half if we weren't so sloppy upfront (which Bows also referred to).
They might be talking more overall game tactics than that specific but it seems weird to me that he would completely abandon tactics when previously it seemed to be a pretty strong trait of his.
I think looking at the bigger picture, we'd all be pretty happy with where we are now given where we were at at the start of the season, or even when the transfer window closed. That said Bows handling of Williams didn't seem right to me, I have no problem with him chewing people out in the press normally, but it didn't seem right in this case. LB + JW never seemed to have had a great relationship though, so maybe he won't be much of a feature in general moving forward or even gone in January.
All I have seen is people disappointed with his tactics and post match theatrics... and now the news he's losing the dressing room.
Personally I have stated several times, I hope Bowyer turns it around. I'll understand if TS gets news from inside the club and makes a decision to replace Bowyer and at the same time, I'll understand if he chooses to back Bowyer and support him further.
I can't talk for other social media platforms, but at least on here I think I have seen maybe 1 poster actually 'call for his head'.
J BLOCK I appreciate you cannot give t0o much further details into the conversation you had, but did you get any impression about how things may pan out in the long term, such as we will be able to turn it around?
All of a sudden we win another 6 games on the bounce and then all of the 'dressing room unrest' disappears. A winning camp is a happy camp.
It's hard to tell but this player was not pleased in the slightest and I got the impression he spoke for the whole squad. Questions are being asked internally.
FWIW, I back Bowyer 100%. I think he'll be given the season at least.
All I have seen is people disappointed with his tactics and post match theatrics... and now the news he's losing the dressing room.
Personally I have stated several times, I hope Bowyer turns it around. I'll understand if TS gets news from inside the club and makes a decision to replace Bowyer and at the same time, I'll understand if he chooses to back Bowyer and support him further.
I can't talk for other social media platforms, but at least on here I think I have seen maybe 1 poster actually 'call for his head'.
J BLOCK I appreciate you cannot give t0o much further details into the conversation you had, but did you get any impression about how things may pan out in the long term, such as we will be able to turn it around?
All of a sudden we win another 6 games on the bounce and then all of the 'dressing room unrest' disappears. A winning camp is a happy camp.
It's hard to tell but this player was not pleased in the slightest and I got the impression he spoke for the whole squad. Questions are being asked internally.
FWIW, I back Bowyer 100%.
Thanks for the reply mate.
That does sound worrying, and if it is the case that relationships are beyond repair and Bows is stuck in the mud with his tactics, then Sandgaard needs to do something sooner rather than later before our season is needlessly curtailed.
I do however wonder if that it is because we are losing games. I think in any line of competitive sport, from amateur to professional, if you are not winning, some issues that wouldn't usually be a problem suddenly feel 100 times worse.
Fingers crossed we can turn it around, we certainly have the talent in the squad.
All I have seen is people disappointed with his tactics and post match theatrics... and now the news he's losing the dressing room.
Personally I have stated several times, I hope Bowyer turns it around. I'll understand if TS gets news from inside the club and makes a decision to replace Bowyer and at the same time, I'll understand if he chooses to back Bowyer and support him further.
I can't talk for other social media platforms, but at least on here I think I have seen maybe 1 poster actually 'call for his head'.
J BLOCK I appreciate you cannot give t0o much further details into the conversation you had, but did you get any impression about how things may pan out in the long term, such as we will be able to turn it around?
All of a sudden we win another 6 games on the bounce and then all of the 'dressing room unrest' disappears. A winning camp is a happy camp.
It's hard to tell but this player was not pleased in the slightest and I got the impression he spoke for the whole squad. Questions are being asked internally.
FWIW, I back Bowyer 100%. I think he'll be given the season at least.
I think he should be given all the time that we are mathematically able to achieve play offs. Once that is gone, I'd say he's failed this season. For me personally I think we'll have a good picture by end of January.
If the squad isn’t behind Bowyer 100% then even subconsciously their performances won’t be to the max . So let’s not blame the fans who are questioning if Bowyer’s current management isn’t working , no one is denying his previous achievements but time stands still for no one . Its the players that matter and if they aren’t happy nor am I .
All I have seen is people disappointed with his tactics and post match theatrics... and now the news he's losing the dressing room.
Personally I have stated several times, I hope Bowyer turns it around. I'll understand if TS gets news from inside the club and makes a decision to replace Bowyer and at the same time, I'll understand if he chooses to back Bowyer and support him further.
I can't talk for other social media platforms, but at least on here I think I have seen maybe 1 poster actually 'call for his head'.
J BLOCK I appreciate you cannot give t0o much further details into the conversation you had, but did you get any impression about how things may pan out in the long term, such as we will be able to turn it around?
All of a sudden we win another 6 games on the bounce and then all of the 'dressing room unrest' disappears. A winning camp is a happy camp.
Any player that challenges Dictator Bowyer should be sentenced to death. We need a squad that does what they're told and does not go against their ruler!
I've given up on Jonny working out for us at Charlton a bit. When we started the Championship season last year he was fantastic. He got 4 assists in his first 4 starts and looked brilliant. Interestingly none of those assists were for Taylor either, so he was bringing goals out of other players in that period. He dipped a bit after that and only got one more assist before his knee injury and then from there he had no influence at all in the new year. No goals, no assists, and we only won one game that he started. When he's not assisting goals or driving us up the pitch he doesn't really offer a lot to the midfield and I think that's Bowy'er major issue with him. He has one goal for the club and six assists in 2 years. His only assist in League One came in April 2019, and that was for an own goal. That's not really good enough for a creative midfielder. It took Shinnie 6 games to get one goal and two assists. Purrington has 3 Charlton goals despite joining around the same time as Jonny, falling out of favour in much the same way for a similar period and being a left back.
I really like Jonny. I like watching him play, he's a really lovable bloke and I want him to succeed for us but the days of me thinking starting him or bringing him on in a game will actually change it are gone. I always like to see him in the team but the reality is that we rarely have much to show for it when he's there. Winning free kicks isn't really enough.
All of this isn't really great to hear though is it. Hate to say it but if he's losing the dressing room, it could be the beginning of the end of Bowyer.
Even if what's coming out is being exaggerated by a few unhappy players there are enough signs there that this isn't exactly a harmonious dressing room. The majority of those signs have come from Bow himself.
This really needs to be turned around. Hope they are all having open and frank conversations this week as fixing this is more important than any tactical or training pitch preparation.
Jacko and Pearcey have their work cut out as that link between players and management.
All I have seen is people disappointed with his tactics and post match theatrics... and now the news he's losing the dressing room.
Personally I have stated several times, I hope Bowyer turns it around. I'll understand if TS gets news from inside the club and makes a decision to replace Bowyer and at the same time, I'll understand if he chooses to back Bowyer and support him further.
I can't talk for other social media platforms, but at least on here I think I have seen maybe 1 poster actually 'call for his head'.
J BLOCK I appreciate you cannot give t0o much further details into the conversation you had, but did you get any impression about how things may pan out in the long term, such as we will be able to turn it around?
All of a sudden we win another 6 games on the bounce and then all of the 'dressing room unrest' disappears. A winning camp is a happy camp.
It's hard to tell but this player was not pleased in the slightest and I got the impression he spoke for the whole squad. Questions are being asked internally.
FWIW, I back Bowyer 100%. I think he'll be given the season at least.
I wondered if you'd spoken directly to the player or just heard it from someone else at SL that you trust. Since you are saying you had that conversation yourself, that tilts the issue away from Bow a bit for me. But I am sure we have heard those kind of noises before (can't remember when or who the manager was). A lot hinges on how Bow handles this now, and whether he has anyone who can advise him.
I would say that after the Oxford or Pompey games (I didnt see the latter) we'd have found it hard to predict that we'd be having this conversation a month later. But then we found ourselves without any centre backs.....
Firstly let me say I'm fully behind LB and I don't want to see him leave. However I have to say his comments after the game, especially re JW, were out of order. I've managed many people, from large groups of other managers to sales and customer service teams and not once have I called out a performance publicly (unless its been an exceptionally good performance and needs public recognition!) Poor performances need discussing in private and, with the benefit of hindsight, I think LB would agree with that. If the tweet above is bona-fide (I have no doubt to believe that it is'nt), then it looks as though JW hasn't taken his public admonishing very well, and to be fair I don't blame him. More worrying is the rumour that LB is losing the dressing room and if that's the case his actions on Saturday evening will not have helped that. LB is still a young manager and learning, he, like many, doesn't like losing and perhaps his emotion gets the better of him. However we must now move forward, for me I would like to see two things-: LB apologies to JW (in private) and they sit and discuss the situation (I want JW to stay with CAFC as well) TS looks to bring in a DoF (someone like Curbs) who can perhaps help to smooth LB's habit of publicly calling out players (JW was not the first one as we all know), and give a second pair of eyes to help LB become a very good manager both on and OFF the pitch. For now we do need this episode to be 'defused' so we can get back to better performances from every player and back to winning ways.
All I have seen is people disappointed with his tactics and post match theatrics... and now the news he's losing the dressing room.
Personally I have stated several times, I hope Bowyer turns it around. I'll understand if TS gets news from inside the club and makes a decision to replace Bowyer and at the same time, I'll understand if he chooses to back Bowyer and support him further.
I can't talk for other social media platforms, but at least on here I think I have seen maybe 1 poster actually 'call for his head'.
J BLOCK I appreciate you cannot give t0o much further details into the conversation you had, but did you get any impression about how things may pan out in the long term, such as we will be able to turn it around?
All of a sudden we win another 6 games on the bounce and then all of the 'dressing room unrest' disappears. A winning camp is a happy camp.
It's hard to tell but this player was not pleased in the slightest and I got the impression he spoke for the whole squad. Questions are being asked internally.
FWIW, I back Bowyer 100%. I think he'll be given the season at least.
I wondered if you'd spoken directly to the player or just heard it from someone else at SL that you trust. Since you are saying you had that conversation yourself, that tilts the issue away from Bow a bit for me. But I am sure we have heard those kind of noises before (can't remember when or who the manager was). A lot hinges on how Bow handles this now, and whether he has anyone who can advise him.
I would say that after the Oxford or Pompey games (I didnt see the latter) we'd have found it hard to predict that we'd be having this conversation a month later. But then we found ourselves without any centre backs.....
The more concerning issue, to me, is how you set up with 6 or 7 offensive minded players (at home to MKD) and play on the back foot. It's as bizzare as packing a team with defensive mind ones and asking them to attack for 90 minutes.
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Not saying LB is definitely losing it, but that was the noise post MK and again post Shrews allegedly coming out of the club. His behaviour in that post match interview also didn't help disprove the message.
Sure could be hearsay could be BS, but I've heard and seen enough to start questioning it and can see there is potential that he is starting to lose the dressing room.
JW has failed to deliver in reality, he's not been good enough or consistent enough. Bottling out of a tackle is unacceptable at any level of football. I like him but he has to step up, on his day he's a match winner - trouble is, those days are very rare
All I have seen is people disappointed with his tactics and post match theatrics... and now the news he's losing the dressing room.
Personally I have stated several times, I hope Bowyer turns it around. I'll understand if TS gets news from inside the club and makes a decision to replace Bowyer and at the same time, I'll understand if he chooses to back Bowyer and support him further.
J BLOCK I appreciate you cannot give t0o much further details into the conversation you had, but did you get any impression about how things may pan out in the long term, such as we will be able to turn it around?
All of a sudden we win another 6 games on the bounce and then all of the 'dressing room unrest' disappears. A winning camp is a happy camp.
I find it worrying. If LB has lost the dressing room, it's going to be a very tough few months.
They might be talking more overall game tactics than that specific but it seems weird to me that he would completely abandon tactics when previously it seemed to be a pretty strong trait of his.
I think looking at the bigger picture, we'd all be pretty happy with where we are now given where we were at at the start of the season, or even when the transfer window closed. That said Bows handling of Williams didn't seem right to me, I have no problem with him chewing people out in the press normally, but it didn't seem right in this case. LB + JW never seemed to have had a great relationship though, so maybe he won't be much of a feature in general moving forward or even gone in January.
FWIW, I back Bowyer 100%. I think he'll be given the season at least.
That does sound worrying, and if it is the case that relationships are beyond repair and Bows is stuck in the mud with his tactics, then Sandgaard needs to do something sooner rather than later before our season is needlessly curtailed.
I do however wonder if that it is because we are losing games. I think in any line of competitive sport, from amateur to professional, if you are not winning, some issues that wouldn't usually be a problem suddenly feel 100 times worse.
Fingers crossed we can turn it around, we certainly have the talent in the squad.
So let’s not blame the fans who are questioning if Bowyer’s current management isn’t working , no one is denying his previous achievements but time stands still for no one .
Its the players that matter and if they aren’t happy nor am I .
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Any player that challenges Dictator Bowyer should be sentenced to death. We need a squad that does what they're told and does not go against their ruler!
This really needs to be turned around. Hope they are all having open and frank conversations this week as fixing this is more important than any tactical or training pitch preparation.
Jacko and Pearcey have their work cut out as that link between players and management.
I would say that after the Oxford or Pompey games (I didnt see the latter) we'd have found it hard to predict that we'd be having this conversation a month later. But then we found ourselves without any centre backs.....
Poor performances need discussing in private and, with the benefit of hindsight, I think LB would agree with that. If the tweet above is bona-fide (I have no doubt to believe that it is'nt), then it looks as though JW hasn't taken his public admonishing very well, and to be fair I don't blame him.
More worrying is the rumour that LB is losing the dressing room and if that's the case his actions on Saturday evening will not have helped that.
LB is still a young manager and learning, he, like many, doesn't like losing and perhaps his emotion gets the better of him. However we must now move forward, for me I would like to see two things-:
LB apologies to JW (in private) and they sit and discuss the situation (I want JW to stay with CAFC as well)
TS looks to bring in a DoF (someone like Curbs) who can perhaps help to smooth LB's habit of publicly calling out players (JW was not the first one as we all know), and give a second pair of eyes to help LB become a very good manager both on and OFF the pitch.
For now we do need this episode to be 'defused' so we can get back to better performances from every player and back to winning ways.