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I suspect it is just the EU being awkward again. There doesn't appear to be any concern about the effectiveness just that it hasn't been registered with the EMA (yet).cantersaddick said:
Its weird because I'd been led to believe that the approval was for the vaccine - effectively its formula and that it should make a difference where it is produced. I wonder if this is the EMA being weird about AZ again given that for the last 20 odd years something like 65% of all vaccines have been produced in india so it would be weird to suddenly get an issue with it now. India has all of the biggest vaccine production facilities in the world.PrincessFiona said:Just when you thought it couldn't get even more complicatedEuropean holidays could be off i to 5m Britons given Indian-made AstraZeneca jab
The jab, quietly authorised in the UK in February, is not yet approved in Europe or recognised under EU’s new vaccine passport scheme
Various countries, including Germany (surprisingly?) and Spain indicating they will still accept it. The EU's vaccine programme leaves a lot to be desired so combined with Brexit, there's a lot of political grandstanding3 -
There may be lots of reasons. One is the age of care home staff, 65% of whom are in their forties or younger. Across England, the graph above shows that 2 in 4 care homes have at least 80% of staff fully vaccinated and at least 90% of residents fully vaccinated. That's probably not very far from the average across the wider population, where 'only' (I use that word with care) 63% of the adult population is fully vaccinated.ShootersHillGuru said:
I’m staggered by those figures. I have no idea why this is so poor. Care home staff are poorly paid and there are a lot of immigrant workers filling those caring roles. We know that uptake of vaccine is lower among some ethnic groups but I wasn’t aware that young Eastern European workers who fill many of the care jobs were vaccine sceptic. This really needs to be addressed. Or is there another reason ?clive said:Vaccinations in London Care Homes
NHS statistics from 777 care homes in London that have reported data shows:
- Total number of residents in London's care homes is 22,825, the lowest of any region in England,
- They have 35,181 staff members
- 21,291 (93%) of residents and 26,904 (77%) staff members have had at least a first dose of the vaccine by 13 June
- 343 care homes have reported 80% of staff and 90% of residents have had 1st dose (44%), while 179 care homes have had the second dose (23%)
- 54% of homes have 80% of staff that have had the first dose
In the wider population, where there is a higher percentage of older people, it's always likely that there will be more fully vaccinated than in a work environment. And that disparity will be wider in occupations with a high percentage of younger workers (as in care homes).
The 60% of care homes which fall outside this category will comprise three types of care home. 1 where fewer than 4 in 5 staff have been fully vaccinated. 2 where fewer than 9 in 10 residents have been vaccinated. And 3 where both of these conditions exist.
So, in categories 2 and 3, simply vaccinating more care home staff will not make a difference to whether a care home moves into this arbitrary 'protected' class. That's a long-winded way of saying that it doesn't matter how many staff are jabbed if more than 10% of the residents are not jabbed - by this measure, the home remains 'unprotected'.
It would be interesting to see how may residents are 'protected' by this measure. That is, how many care home residents are included in the 40%. Because, in many cases, a home may never be able to reach the target simply because some of the residents can't be jabbed. For example, any home with fewer than 10 residents will fail to be 'protected' if just one of their residents is unable (or unwilling) to be jabbed. In these cases, it doesn't matter who the care home staff are, what age they are, or where they come from: that home can't be 'protected'.
Maybe the graph would be much more helpful if it were split in two, to show the proportion of homes where 80%+ of the staff are fully vaccinated and, separately, where 90%+ of the residents are fully vaccinated.0 -
My 2nd jab is listed.bobmunro said:
Checked this morning and I didn't have it from those batch numbers. I would be seriously pissed off if I had.PrincessFiona said:Just when you thought it couldn't get even more complicatedEuropean holidays could be off i to 5m Britons given Indian-made AstraZeneca jab
The jab, quietly authorised in the UK in February, is not yet approved in Europe or recognised under EU’s new vaccine passport scheme
Luckily I have zero plans to travel abroad until all this uncertainty ends.0 -
Hopefully it'll all be sorted before our Europa League debut following this forthcoming season's FA Cup win.Covered End said:
My 2nd jab is listed.bobmunro said:
Checked this morning and I didn't have it from those batch numbers. I would be seriously pissed off if I had.PrincessFiona said:Just when you thought it couldn't get even more complicatedEuropean holidays could be off i to 5m Britons given Indian-made AstraZeneca jab
The jab, quietly authorised in the UK in February, is not yet approved in Europe or recognised under EU’s new vaccine passport scheme
Luckily I have zero plans to travel abroad until all this uncertainty ends.
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Was his mate at the pub already knowing he was positive?MuttleyCAFC said:My son caught it watching the football outside in a Bournemouth pub with some friends. His uni mate told him he was positive and my son did the test and he too was positive.0 -
Pop-up vaccine clinics latest
Guy’s Hospital
- Location: Burfoot Court Room, Counting House at Guy’s Hospital, Great Maze Pond, London SE1 9RT (view Site Map)
- Day and time: Monday to Sunday, 8am to 7pm
- Booking information: Walk-in, no appointment needed
- Further information: This clinic is for anyone age 18 and over. The Pfizer and Astrazeneca vaccines are available at this clinic.
Second doses are available for people age 40 and older who had their first dose at least eight weeks ago, and for people under 40 who had their first dose 12 weeks ago.
You do not need proof of address, immigration status, ID or an NHS number.
St Thomas’ Hospital
- Location: Gassiot House at St Thomas’ Hospital, Westminster Bridge Road, London SE1 7EH (view Site Map)
- Day and time: Monday to Sunday, 8am to 7pm
- Booking information: Walk-in, no appointment needed.
- Further information: This clinic is for anyone age 18 and over. The Pfizer vaccine is available at this clinic.
Second doses are available for people age 40 and older who had their first dose at least eight weeks ago, and for people under 40 who had their first dose 12 weeks ago.
You do not need proof of address, immigration status, ID or an NHS number.
Montgomery Hall, Kennington
- Dates and times
Friday 2 July, 12 to 8pm – Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca
Saturday 3 July, 9am to 5pm- Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca
Sunday 4 July, 12 to 8pm- Ages 40 and over- Astrazeneca
Monday 5 July, 12 to 8pm- Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca
Tuesday 6 July, 12 to 8pm- Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca
Wednesday 7 July, 9am to 5pm – Ages 18 and over – Pfizer
Thursday 8 July, 9am to 5pm – Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca
Friday 9 July, 12 to 8pm- Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca
Saturday 10 July, 12 to 8pm- Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca
Sunday 11 July, 12 to 8pm- Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca
Monday 12 July, 12 to 8pm- Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca
Tuesday 13 July, 12 to 8pm- Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca
Wednesday 14 July, 9am to 5pm – Ages 18 and over – Pfizer
Thursday 15 July, 9am to 5pm – Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca
Friday 16 July, 12 to 8pm- Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca
Saturday 17 July, 9am to 5pm – Ages 18 and over – Pfizer
Sunday 18 July, 12 to 8pm- Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca
Monday 19 July, 12 to 8pm – Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca - Walk-in, no appointment needed. First doses or second doses after 8-week interval if aged over 40, 12 weeks if under 40. A booked appointment clinic will be running at the same time.
No proof of address, NHS number or immigration status required.
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Checked this morning and I didn't have it from those batch numbers. I would be seriously pissed off if I had.PrincessFiona said:Just when you thought it couldn't get even more complicatedEuropean holidays could be off i to 5m Britons given Indian-made AstraZeneca jab
The jab, quietly authorised in the UK in February, is not yet approved in Europe or recognised under EU’s new vaccine passport scheme
This is just the EU directive, member states can accept people with indian vacine if they wish. the irony is the EU have been sending Indian made vacines to Africa.
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PrincessFiona said:Just when you thought it couldn't get even more complicated
European holidays could be off i to 5m Britons given Indian-made AstraZeneca jab
The jab, quietly authorised in the UK in February, is not yet approved in Europe or recognised under EU’s new vaccine passport scheme
Concerns that millions of Britons who have received Indian-made jabs could be restricted from travel in the European Union have been downplayed.
The bloc's passport scheme does not recognise doses of the AstraZeneca jab produced by the Serum Institute of India - known as Covishield.
India is seeking emergency authorisation from Europe for the Covishield jab, according to sources.
Several European countries have already approved the Covishield jab for travel. These include Austria, Germany, Slovenia, Greece, Ireland, Spain, Iceland and Switzerland.
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This was a waste of time, traipsed over to Eltham (from Peckham) and they’d run out of vaccine when I got there!Leeds_Addick said:
aha no problem. It won't matter no, I doubt they'll even ask. Might be worth cancelling it once you've had your second though as it'll free up a slotse9addick said:
Ok, might give it a shot (get it). Will it matter that I already have a second jab booked?Leeds_Addick said:
I think so. I had my second yesterday after only 5 weeks and know of someone who got their second at the valley walk in after only 4.se9addick said:From Clives I go this place is offering second jabs - it’s been less than 8 weeks than my first, so you think they’ll give me the second if I rock up?“Coldharbour, Greenwich
- Location: William Barefoot Drive, Coldharbour Estate London, SE9 3JD
- Day and time : Friday 2 July, 10am – 4pm
- Booking information: no booking required, this is a walk-in clinic offering first and second doses.
- Further information: Pfizer vaccine only. You do not need proof of address, immigration status, ID or an NHS number.”
Edit - sorry for treating you like the oracle on this subject!
Think it was being run/supported by the Charlton Community trust as there were lots of staff members wearing Charlton shirts.0 -
This location may be better for youse9addick said:
This was a waste of time, traipsed over to Eltham (from Peckham) and they’d run out of vaccine when I got there!Leeds_Addick said:
aha no problem. It won't matter no, I doubt they'll even ask. Might be worth cancelling it once you've had your second though as it'll free up a slotse9addick said:
Ok, might give it a shot (get it). Will it matter that I already have a second jab booked?Leeds_Addick said:
I think so. I had my second yesterday after only 5 weeks and know of someone who got their second at the valley walk in after only 4.se9addick said:From Clives I go this place is offering second jabs - it’s been less than 8 weeks than my first, so you think they’ll give me the second if I rock up?“Coldharbour, Greenwich
- Location: William Barefoot Drive, Coldharbour Estate London, SE9 3JD
- Day and time : Friday 2 July, 10am – 4pm
- Booking information: no booking required, this is a walk-in clinic offering first and second doses.
- Further information: Pfizer vaccine only. You do not need proof of address, immigration status, ID or an NHS number.”
Edit - sorry for treating you like the oracle on this subject!
Think it was being run/supported by the Charlton Community trust as there were lots of staff members wearing Charlton shirts.Montgomery Hall, Kennington
- Dates and times
Friday 2 July, 12 to 8pm – Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca
Saturday 3 July, 9am to 5pm- Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca
Sunday 4 July, 12 to 8pm- Ages 40 and over- Astrazeneca
Monday 5 July, 12 to 8pm- Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca
Tuesday 6 July, 12 to 8pm- Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca
Wednesday 7 July, 9am to 5pm – Ages 18 and over – Pfizer
Thursday 8 July, 9am to 5pm – Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca
Friday 9 July, 12 to 8pm- Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca
Saturday 10 July, 12 to 8pm- Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca
Sunday 11 July, 12 to 8pm- Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca
Monday 12 July, 12 to 8pm- Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca
Tuesday 13 July, 12 to 8pm- Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca
Wednesday 14 July, 9am to 5pm – Ages 18 and over – Pfizer
Thursday 15 July, 9am to 5pm – Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca
Friday 16 July, 12 to 8pm- Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca
Saturday 17 July, 9am to 5pm – Ages 18 and over – Pfizer
Sunday 18 July, 12 to 8pm- Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca
Monday 19 July, 12 to 8pm – Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca - Walk-in, no appointment needed. First doses or second doses after 8-week interval if aged over 40, 12 weeks if under 40. A booked appointment clinic will be running at the same time.
No proof of address, NHS number or immigration status required.
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As it's Pfizer, the initial clinical trials were doing the second dose after 4 weeks, so if you're beyond that point then it might be worth giving it a go if you're not having to go too far out of your way.se9addick said:From Clives I go this place is offering second jabs - it’s been less than 8 weeks than my first, so you think they’ll give me the second if I rock up?“Coldharbour, Greenwich
- Location: William Barefoot Drive, Coldharbour Estate London, SE9 3JD
- Day and time : Friday 2 July, 10am – 4pm
- Booking information: no booking required, this is a walk-in clinic offering first and second doses.
- Further information: Pfizer vaccine only. You do not need proof of address, immigration status, ID or an NHS number.”
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Nice one, @jessie. How are things in the Middle Kingdom now re covid?Jessie said:Finally had my first jab this morning. It was Sinopharm. My hand (surprisingly not my arm) felt a little numb twenty minutes after I had the vaccine. I was a bit worried but thankfully the numbing feeling went away gradually. Now 10 hours later I feel a bit tired. All is fine. I'm told I'll have to wait at least 21 days for my second jab.1 -
Just got back from the QE where Junior had his first jab
Because he faints for any injection he was put on a bed with a drink and biscuits and monitored for 15 minutes afterwards.
Excellent from start to finish.6 -
My youngest's missus had her second Pfizer this morning at a pop up at Staffs Uni - 4 weeks and a day after her first.
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Jab gap advice
NHS England said national guidance has been clarified amid anecdotal reports that some people have been offered a second dose as early as four weeks after their first jab.
In an update to its green book advice for public health professionals on Thursday, Public Health England said a gap of at least eight weeks should be used - with the main exception being for those about to commence immunosuppressive treatment.
An NHS spokesperson said: "Every site should vaccinate in line with clinical guidance, which says second doses should take place between eight and 12 weeks after the first."
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Different variant I assume?AddicksAddict said:A friend told me her son got COVID last week. The worrying thing is, this is the second time he's had it.0 -
Unvaccinated people are 'variant factories,' infectious diseases expert says
People who have not been vaccinated against COVID-19 not only risk their own health but are "variant factories," an infectious disease expert told CNN.
"Unvaccinated people are potential variant factories," Dr. William Schaffner, a professor in the Division of Infectious Diseases at Vanderbilt University Medical Center, told CNN.
"The more unvaccinated people there are, the more opportunities for the virus to multiply," he added.
Variants evolve in the body of a person who is infected with the coronavirus.
When it does, it mutates, and it could throw off a variant mutation that is even more serious down the road," Schaffner said.
Viruses, including the coronavirus that causes COVID-19, endure mutations, and while some mutations may harm the virus, others could help it. For example, a mutation could help a virus be more transmissible.
When the virus spreads to another person, the mutation will replicate and also spread, and if it's successful and continues to spread, it becomes a variant.
Unvaccinated people provide the opportunity for the mutation to continue to replicate, CNN reported.
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At what point does herd immunity kick in ?
We now have over 45 million with the 1st jab and the 2nd jab will surely catch up in the coming weeks.
So at what point will herd immunity kick in.
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It varies depending on the virus. For some viruses it's below fifty percent, for others it's eighty or ninety percent.blackpool72 said:At what point does herd immunity kick in ?
We now have over 45 million with the 1st jab and the 2nd jab will surely catch up in the coming weeks.
So at what point will herd immunity kick in.
Anyone know0 - Sponsored links:
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Infected people are 'potential variant factories', not just infected, unvaccinated people.stonemuse said:Unvaccinated people are 'variant factories,' infectious diseases expert says
People who have not been vaccinated against COVID-19 not only risk their own health but are "variant factories," an infectious disease expert told CNN.
"Unvaccinated people are potential variant factories," Dr. William Schaffner, a professor in the Division of Infectious Diseases at Vanderbilt University Medical Center, told CNN.
"The more unvaccinated people there are, the more opportunities for the virus to multiply," he added.
Variants evolve in the body of a person who is infected with the coronavirus.
When it does, it mutates, and it could throw off a variant mutation that is even more serious down the road," Schaffner said.
Viruses, including the coronavirus that causes COVID-19, endure mutations, and while some mutations may harm the virus, others could help it. For example, a mutation could help a virus be more transmissible.
When the virus spreads to another person, the mutation will replicate and also spread, and if it's successful and continues to spread, it becomes a variant.
Unvaccinated people provide the opportunity for the mutation to continue to replicate, CNN reported.
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Cheers.Chizz said:
It varies depending on the virus. For some viruses it's below fifty percent, for others it's eighty or ninety percent.blackpool72 said:At what point does herd immunity kick in ?
We now have over 45 million with the 1st jab and the 2nd jab will surely catch up in the coming weeks.
So at what point will herd immunity kick in.
Anyone know
So I believe about 85% Have had the 1st jab and the 2nd jab will catch up at some point.
So we could have herd immunity by the time winter arrives.
I think this is a positive or am I missing something.0 -
Try reading it again ... then you might understand.Chizz said:
Infected people are 'potential variant factories', not just infected, unvaccinated people.stonemuse said:Unvaccinated people are 'variant factories,' infectious diseases expert says
People who have not been vaccinated against COVID-19 not only risk their own health but are "variant factories," an infectious disease expert told CNN.
"Unvaccinated people are potential variant factories," Dr. William Schaffner, a professor in the Division of Infectious Diseases at Vanderbilt University Medical Center, told CNN.
"The more unvaccinated people there are, the more opportunities for the virus to multiply," he added.
Variants evolve in the body of a person who is infected with the coronavirus.
When it does, it mutates, and it could throw off a variant mutation that is even more serious down the road," Schaffner said.
Viruses, including the coronavirus that causes COVID-19, endure mutations, and while some mutations may harm the virus, others could help it. For example, a mutation could help a virus be more transmissible.
When the virus spreads to another person, the mutation will replicate and also spread, and if it's successful and continues to spread, it becomes a variant.
Unvaccinated people provide the opportunity for the mutation to continue to replicate, CNN reported.
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One of the key parameters that determine the herd immunity number is the reproduction rate. With the alpha (Kent) and delta variants each increasing that number by approx 50% the herd immunity target has significantly increased.blackpool72 said:
Cheers.Chizz said:
It varies depending on the virus. For some viruses it's below fifty percent, for others it's eighty or ninety percent.blackpool72 said:At what point does herd immunity kick in ?
We now have over 45 million with the 1st jab and the 2nd jab will surely catch up in the coming weeks.
So at what point will herd immunity kick in.
Anyone know
So I believe about 85% Have had the 1st jab and the 2nd jab will catch up at some point.
So we could have herd immunity by the time winter arrives.
I think this is a positive or am I missing something.
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Being vaccinated doesn't provide complete immunity. A vaccinated person can become infected and pass it on. But vaccinated people (and previously infected people) have higher levels of immunity and are less likely to catch it and to pass it on.blackpool72 said:
Cheers.Chizz said:
It varies depending on the virus. For some viruses it's below fifty percent, for others it's eighty or ninety percent.blackpool72 said:At what point does herd immunity kick in ?
We now have over 45 million with the 1st jab and the 2nd jab will surely catch up in the coming weeks.
So at what point will herd immunity kick in.
Anyone know
So I believe about 85% Have had the 1st jab and the 2nd jab will catch up at some point.
So we could have herd immunity by the time winter arrives.
I think this is a positive or am I missing something.
So, in any population, the more people that are vaccinated, the higher the levels of herd immunity. But 100% vaccination does not mean 0% infection.1 -
No I fully understand that.Chizz said:
Being vaccinated doesn't provide complete immunity. A vaccinated person can become infected and pass it on. But vaccinated people (and previously infected people) have higher levels of immunity and are less likely to catch it and to pass it on.blackpool72 said:
Cheers.Chizz said:
It varies depending on the virus. For some viruses it's below fifty percent, for others it's eighty or ninety percent.blackpool72 said:At what point does herd immunity kick in ?
We now have over 45 million with the 1st jab and the 2nd jab will surely catch up in the coming weeks.
So at what point will herd immunity kick in.
Anyone know
So I believe about 85% Have had the 1st jab and the 2nd jab will catch up at some point.
So we could have herd immunity by the time winter arrives.
I think this is a positive or am I missing something.
So, in any population, the more people that are vaccinated, the higher the levels of herd immunity. But 100% vaccination does not mean 0% infection.
But once you have had both jabs even though you can catch it and pass it on the symptoms should be very mild.
Not having to go to hospital or need a ventilator so therefore the NHS should not get put under any more pressure that it can cope with.3 -
Just been told by my mates down in Andalusia that they are now using the single dose Janssen vaccine for the latest batch of vaccinations locally. Certainly going to speed things up.CharltonMadrid said:Had second AZ yesterday and absolutely no side effects so far.1 -
How effective is it compared with double jabs?Chaz Hill said:
Just been told by my mates down in Andalusia that they are now using the single dose Janssen vaccine for the latest batch of vaccinations locally. Certainly going to speed things up.CharltonMadrid said:Had second AZ yesterday and absolutely no side effects so far.0 -
We’ll never reach herd immunity for Covid.blackpool72 said:At what point does herd immunity kick in ?
We now have over 45 million with the 1st jab and the 2nd jab will surely catch up in the coming weeks.
So at what point will herd immunity kick in.
Anyone know0 -
Re herd immunity, the problem here is that virtually nobody under 18 has had the vaccine and the kids all mix at school, and are often asymptomatic... It spreads like wildfire until all kids either have had it or are vaccinated. If the kids get it there's a chance it will spread to parents etc.1
