I assume the money increase is quite substantial otherwise we would happily cope with paying a small increase if we thought he could play a role in the squad.
Is he worth such an increase when he doesn't touch the level of Fraser or Dobson and is more on par with Morgan + Mcgrandles? Probably not.
People saying he's the best player in a reserve side against a team's under-21s miss the point completely.
Football is all about differing opinions and not everyone is keen on JFC as me which I understand. I would however make the point that Fraser and Dobson are decent League 1 level players. Dobson may even be able to play in the Championship. He is a super player. Nevertheless they are our midfield partners in a relatively average League 1 side. They aren't that special. JFC has represented England at every level below full international including 14 caps for England Under 21. He has also played over 80 games in the Championship. He is also only 28 years old. I cannot agree that he 'doesnt touch the level of Dobson & Fraser' , neither of whom have any representative honours and neither of whom have played at Championship level.
I assume the money increase is quite substantial otherwise we would happily cope with paying a small increase if we thought he could play a role in the squad.
Is he worth such an increase when he doesn't touch the level of Fraser or Dobson and is more on par with Morgan + Mcgrandles? Probably not.
People saying he's the best player in a reserve side against a team's under-21s miss the point completely.
But so far (luckily) we've gotten away with being able to play Dobson and Fraser in nearly every minute of every league game. What happens if one of them gets injured?
I don't think anyone is missing the point. JFC is clearly good enough to be on the bench, he would probably be pushing for a starting role and at the very least would be an option to rotate. The fact Garner said it's nothing to do with his contract makes no sense because of the previous statement.
At the moment we are playing with a hard working midfield 2, both sitting fairly deep. If we have injuries of suspensions there, JFC would seem well suited to this role, especially in games where we need experience in the middle, rather than Morgan's energy.
McGrandles seems to let games pass him by too much to play in a midfield 2.
A ridiculous decision to activate the extension considering TS is trying to save every penny. Can only assume he badly misjudged the interest he thought JFC would attract.
It should be obvious you could get a small fee for a young striker like Davison who has a reasonable scoring record on loan at Swindon.
It should also be obvious that an older player like JFC who’s had a couple of bad knee injuries is exactly the type of player no one is going to pay a fee for.
We would have got a fee if he had proved he had recovered from his ACL.
Both parties, wrongly, expected the same level of interest as at the end of the 20/21 season.
What exactly do you mean by proved he had recovered?
No club, apart from us, would sign a player who has played 1 league game after doing his ACL and hasn't played back to back games since April 2021 for a fee.
I assume the money increase is quite substantial otherwise we would happily cope with paying a small increase if we thought he could play a role in the squad.
Is he worth such an increase when he doesn't touch the level of Fraser or Dobson and is more on par with Morgan + Mcgrandles? Probably not.
People saying he's the best player in a reserve side against a team's under-21s miss the point completely.
Football is all about differing opinions and not everyone is keen on JFC as me which I understand. I would however make the point that Fraser and Dobson are decent League 1 level players. Dobson may even be able to play in the Championship. He is a super player. Nevertheless they are our midfield partners in a relatively average League 1 side. They aren't that special. JFC has represented England at every level below full international including 14 caps for England Under 21. He has also played over 80 games in the Championship. He is also only 28 years old. I cannot agree that he 'doesnt touch the level of Dobson & Fraser' , neither of whom have any representative honours and neither of whom have played at Championship level.
You can weigh that up with the fact the only clubs seemingly interested in taking him on loan in the summer were both from League Two.
I assume the money increase is quite substantial otherwise we would happily cope with paying a small increase if we thought he could play a role in the squad.
Is he worth such an increase when he doesn't touch the level of Fraser or Dobson and is more on par with Morgan + Mcgrandles? Probably not.
People saying he's the best player in a reserve side against a team's under-21s miss the point completely.
Football is all about differing opinions and not everyone is keen on JFC as me which I understand. I would however make the point that Fraser and Dobson are decent League 1 level players. Dobson may even be able to play in the Championship. He is a super player. Nevertheless they are our midfield partners in a relatively average League 1 side. They aren't that special. JFC has represented England at every level below full international including 14 caps for England Under 21. He has also played over 80 games in the Championship. He is also only 28 years old. I cannot agree that he 'doesnt touch the level of Dobson & Fraser' , neither of whom have any representative honours and neither of whom have played at Championship level.
He’s had one good game against an under 21 side and looked pretty poor in the other games he’s played so far this season.
League two would have been a good gauge of where he is at but the loan wasn’t sorted in time. He’ll be off in January.
He isn't playing in the league because we don't want to pay the money he would be due if he makes another league appearance. This comes from Jake himself to someone I trust implicitly.
In addition he is very unlikely to earn what we are paying him now if he goes to Wimbledon or anywhere else in L2 anyway.
That's why he isn't complaining - he's getting paid pretty handsomely to do very little. He'll move when he gets a suitable offer or when he is out of contract
Maybe I'm being naive but if he's happy enough on his current wage wouldn't it better for him to waive the clause, be involved in league games and put himself in the shop window for January if he wants to go? You say he's doing very little but he still has to train. Aren't matches meant to be the fun bit?
I did think that too, or come to a compromise of a small increase but not all the way.
Everyone jumps on the club for poor decision making but a senior pro signing a contract which ends up blocking him getting minutes than not budging on that is equally to blame if it is true.
Like Kirk, DJ, Stockley, McGillivary and Lavelle I would not be sad to see him move on in Jan IF we could find improvements with the saved budget.
It’s not just my opinion, Danny Senda who works for the club basically said he was the best player on the pitch last night. All this stuff about him being too old and slow - the guy is only 28 years old. Look at the Barry Bannon’s of the League. He is 32 and still pulling all the strings at Sheffield Weds.
I'm more concerned with the (seemingly)whoppers coming out of the club regards not playing him in a league game. I reckon there is more chance of me making the starting eleven.
He isn't playing in the league because we don't want to pay the money he would be due if he makes another league appearance. This comes from Jake himself to someone I trust implicitly.
In addition he is very unlikely to earn what we are paying him now if he goes to Wimbledon or anywhere else in L2 anyway.
That's why he isn't complaining - he's getting paid pretty handsomely to do very little. He'll move when he gets a suitable offer or when he is out of contract
I thought BG said that its nothing to do with Jake making a league appearance.If he thought it was right to play jake he would. Does this then expose a lie by BG or have I misunderstood his comments?
It suggests Garner should not have answered the question.
How much would people think JFC is on now and what would it increase to if he plays again in the league?
I get TS wants to cut costs, but surely we can't be talking a huge amount here. Especially given it's a contract TS was prepared to offer in the first place.
So if he knew he was then going to instruct Garner not to play him (assuming he has) to avoid the higher salary kicking in, then why offer him a contract that basically means he's being paid to do nothing for 46 games out of around 55.
The figure JFC quoted is plenty to be living on tbf - he's not exactly on the bread line.
I don't blame the fella for sitting on his contract. It's a contract agreed and signed, I don't think he is doing anything wrong.
He isn't playing in the league because we don't want to pay the money he would be due if he makes another league appearance. This comes from Jake himself to someone I trust implicitly.
In addition he is very unlikely to earn what we are paying him now if he goes to Wimbledon or anywhere else in L2 anyway.
That's why he isn't complaining - he's getting paid pretty handsomely to do very little. He'll move when he gets a suitable offer or when he is out of contract
Maybe I'm being naive but if he's happy enough on his current wage wouldn't it better for him to waive the clause, be involved in league games and put himself in the shop window for January if he wants to go? You say he's doing very little but he still has to train. Aren't matches meant to be the fun bit?
Quite, unless I misunderstand transfers, his existing contract carries over, so based on the rumor, he’s one game away from a significant pay rise. Good luck finding an L1/L2 club willing to pick that up, and no championship side is going to take him.
He isn't playing in the league because we don't want to pay the money he would be due if he makes another league appearance. This comes from Jake himself to someone I trust implicitly.
In addition he is very unlikely to earn what we are paying him now if he goes to Wimbledon or anywhere else in L2 anyway.
That's why he isn't complaining - he's getting paid pretty handsomely to do very little. He'll move when he gets a suitable offer or when he is out of contract
Maybe I'm being naive but if he's happy enough on his current wage wouldn't it better for him to waive the clause, be involved in league games and put himself in the shop window for January if he wants to go? You say he's doing very little but he still has to train. Aren't matches meant to be the fun bit?
Quite, unless I misunderstand transfers, his existing contract carries over, so based on the rumor, he’s one game away from a significant pay rise. Good luck finding an L1/L2 club willing to pick that up, and no championship side is going to take him.
You absolutely misunderstand transfers, the new contract would be a totally fresh negotiation.
A quality, hard working and skilful professional who would substantially improve the league squad / first 11 - and help exciting young players, like Henry, through games.
It sounds so familiar…
See Conor Washington.
It’s staggering and depressing that a club our size, with a (former) envied reputation for football infrastructure, lurches from a Belgian Fifa-playing moron, to Martin ‘hard shot’ Sandgaard. What has happened at our club?
He isn't playing in the league because we don't want to pay the money he would be due if he makes another league appearance. This comes from Jake himself to someone I trust implicitly.
In addition he is very unlikely to earn what we are paying him now if he goes to Wimbledon or anywhere else in L2 anyway.
That's why he isn't complaining - he's getting paid pretty handsomely to do very little. He'll move when he gets a suitable offer or when he is out of contract
"he's getting paid handsomely to do very little"
-what are you comparing with?supermarket staff? nurses? - that line describes every professional footballer imo -I expect he is on a low salary for Mens 1st team equivalent players here's why
He was badly injured with a long recovery period ahead when the club offered him new contract end of season ?20/21. CAFC were obliged to offer him a contract as he was injured doing his job i.e. playing football for CAFC. I think they would have offered him a really basic low pay contract with a view it was going to take a season for him to recover (why would you offer more?). He would be unable to refuse as a serious injury meant no other employer would take him on until he recovered. Alternative option-no contract- means no income at all.
The offer and take up of the extension is probably because he was a saleable asset with possibility of a (small) transfer fee.
The fact he is not in our league squad more likely reflects the extent to which TS is clamping down on costs which everyone knows player wages are a huge % of revenue (over 100% according to Kevin McGuire), plus many midfielders in the squad. It is probably a "large" increase in salary only if viewed from the small wage he is currently getting.
I am a big fan of JFC, but haven't seen him play so far. At his best he should be in the first 11, but after such an injury I can imagine it will take along time to get back to match fitness and sharpness, especially playing infrequently.
I wish him well and I'll be sad when he does leave the Valley, the injuries that have blighted his career will mean he has to start again, at a late stage in his career, lower down the football pyramid than his talent deserves.
I'm hoping a good cup run (any cup) might help him showcase his skills.
He isn't playing in the league because we don't want to pay the money he would be due if he makes another league appearance. This comes from Jake himself to someone I trust implicitly.
In addition he is very unlikely to earn what we are paying him now if he goes to Wimbledon or anywhere else in L2 anyway.
That's why he isn't complaining - he's getting paid pretty handsomely to do very little. He'll move when he gets a suitable offer or when he is out of contract
Maybe I'm being naive but if he's happy enough on his current wage wouldn't it better for him to waive the clause, be involved in league games and put himself in the shop window for January if he wants to go? You say he's doing very little but he still has to train. Aren't matches meant to be the fun bit?
Quite, unless I misunderstand transfers, his existing contract carries over, so based on the rumor, he’s one game away from a significant pay rise. Good luck finding an L1/L2 club willing to pick that up, and no championship side is going to take him.
You absolutely misunderstand transfers, the new contract would be a totally fresh negotiation.
That’s an option, but that would assume that he’s prepared to come down from the wage rise people are asserting he’ll get. But the rumor was he wouldn’t do that when asked, so why do it now?
My real point is that so many of the “facts” never quite make sense.
He isn't playing in the league because we don't want to pay the money he would be due if he makes another league appearance. This comes from Jake himself to someone I trust implicitly.
In addition he is very unlikely to earn what we are paying him now if he goes to Wimbledon or anywhere else in L2 anyway.
That's why he isn't complaining - he's getting paid pretty handsomely to do very little. He'll move when he gets a suitable offer or when he is out of contract
Maybe I'm being naive but if he's happy enough on his current wage wouldn't it better for him to waive the clause, be involved in league games and put himself in the shop window for January if he wants to go? You say he's doing very little but he still has to train. Aren't matches meant to be the fun bit?
Quite, unless I misunderstand transfers, his existing contract carries over, so based on the rumor, he’s one game away from a significant pay rise. Good luck finding an L1/L2 club willing to pick that up, and no championship side is going to take him.
You absolutely misunderstand transfers, the new contract would be a totally fresh negotiation.
That’s an option, but that would assume that he’s prepared to come down from the wage rise people are asserting he’ll get. But the rumor was he wouldn’t do that when asked, so why do it now?
My real point is that so many of the “facts” never quite make sense.
Because he’s never going to get that pay rise. Or play proper football here. He’s entitled to hold out for anything he wants, clubs are entitled to say no.
But there’s no automatic carry over of the pay rise clause.
he has one decent game against U21's! Obvs Garner don't rate him...
Whatever the story is there is obviously much more to it than Garner not rating him.
I don't believe so...
So for all the s*** players we have, JFC cannot get a game? Leave it out.
I think they are nursing him so that he will be fit to move on in January. They know that he could be injured by some League 1 clogger and then he will be here until the end of his contract. Of course he could decide to stay anyway.
he has one decent game against U21's! Obvs Garner don't rate him...
Whatever the story is there is obviously much more to it than Garner not rating him.
I don't believe so...
So for all the s*** players we have, JFC cannot get a game? Leave it out.
I think they are nursing him so that he will be fit to move on in January. They know that he could be injured by some League 1 clogger and then he will be here until the end of his contract. Of course he could decide to stay anyway.
I don't think they are, are league 1 cloggers any more cloggy than the league 2 cloggers we have been happy to play him against?
Once again - bringing him on and Chuks of course made the difference in the last 20 mins. Mcgrandles was hopeless again and Morgan remains a rabbit in the headlights
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JFC has represented England at every level below full international including 14 caps for England Under 21. He has also played over 80 games in the Championship. He is also only 28 years old.
I cannot agree that he 'doesnt touch the level of Dobson & Fraser' , neither of whom have any representative honours and neither of whom have played at Championship level.
I don't think anyone is missing the point. JFC is clearly good enough to be on the bench, he would probably be pushing for a starting role and at the very least would be an option to rotate. The fact Garner said it's nothing to do with his contract makes no sense because of the previous statement.
McGrandles seems to let games pass him by too much to play in a midfield 2.
I did think that too, or come to a compromise of a small increase but not all the way.
Everyone jumps on the club for poor decision making but a senior pro signing a contract which ends up blocking him getting minutes than not budging on that is equally to blame if it is true.
Like Kirk, DJ, Stockley, McGillivary and Lavelle I would not be sad to see him move on in Jan IF we could find improvements with the saved budget.
I reckon there is more chance of me making the starting eleven.
The player wants to play so shrugs his shoulders and says f*** you then.
It sounds so familiar…
-what are you comparing with?supermarket staff? nurses?
- that line describes every professional footballer imo
-I expect he is on a low salary for Mens 1st team equivalent players here's why
He was badly injured with a long recovery period ahead when the club offered him new contract end of season ?20/21. CAFC were obliged to offer him a contract as he was injured doing his job i.e. playing football for CAFC.
I think they would have offered him a really basic low pay contract with a view it was going to take a season for him to recover (why would you offer more?).
He would be unable to refuse as a serious injury meant no other employer would take him on until he recovered.
Alternative option-no contract- means no income at all.
The offer and take up of the extension is probably because he was a saleable asset with possibility of a (small) transfer fee.
The fact he is not in our league squad more likely reflects the extent to which TS is clamping down on costs which everyone knows player wages are a huge % of revenue (over 100% according to Kevin McGuire), plus many midfielders in the squad.
It is probably a "large" increase in salary only if viewed from the small wage he is currently getting.
I am a big fan of JFC, but haven't seen him play so far. At his best he should be in the first 11, but after such an injury I can imagine it will take along time to get back to match fitness and sharpness, especially playing infrequently.
I wish him well and I'll be sad when he does leave the Valley, the injuries that have blighted his career will mean he has to start again, at a late stage in his career, lower down the football pyramid than his talent deserves.
I'm hoping a good cup run (any cup) might help him showcase his skills.
But there’s no automatic carry over of the pay rise clause.
I think they are nursing him so that he will be fit to move on in January. They know that he could be injured by some League 1 clogger and then he will be here until the end of his contract. Of course he could decide to stay anyway.
Mcgrandles was hopeless again and Morgan remains a rabbit in the headlights