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Jake Forster Caskey - waiting to hear if club will exercise 1 year option (p11)
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Hasn't got the pace of Clare but does have a left foot, which is very important when playing on the left.Oh Eddie Youds... said:
Is he a better left back option than Sean Clare when Sess is not fit?SELR_addicks said:Based on last night he'd look like a good player if he was under 21 and still developing.
Doesn't get into our first eleven in League one.3 -
Doesn’t have the pace - which garner likes. One of the reason Chin got a go and is ratedOh Eddie Youds... said:
Is he a better left back option than Sean Clare when Sess is not fit?SELR_addicks said:Based on last night he'd look like a good player if he was under 21 and still developing.
Doesn't get into our first eleven in League one.1 -
My overall impression based on the insight I have is that the club appear to have made a mess of JFC’s renewal which is depriving the player from earning what he is worth per week (playing or not, there are literally 100s of players up and down the leagues on fair money who are not in a match day squad regularly for various reasons etc.). Suspect it’s based on a) speculating they may be able to get a transfer fee if he was under contract and sold or b) because player budget decisions were not concluded before they triggered their right to renew his contract. When budgets were decided they realised the trigger clause had to be avoided in order to spend on players elsewhere.
While b) may seem fair enough for fans and club, as you want the strongest competitive squad possible across all positions, the situation it has led to is just plain wrong in my opinion and JFC’s performances in cups regardless of level of opposition illustrates his professionalism and ability to see beyond this situation.
I really hope JFC gets a move which works for him in January and in case you are wondering I am not related to him in any shape or form. I have however employed 100s of people throughout my career and have a good sense of what fair looks like.18 -
Based on a couple of appearances, maybe 2 years ago... Yeah sure. Recently... Less so.Oh Eddie Youds... said:
Is he a better left back option than Sean Clare when Sess is not fit?SELR_addicks said:Based on last night he'd look like a good player if he was under 21 and still developing.
Doesn't get into our first eleven in League one.1 -
It’s not just my opinion, Danny Senda who works for the club basically said he was the best player on the pitch last night. All this stuff about him being too old and slow - the guy is only 28 years old. Look at the Barry Bannon’s of the League. He is 32 and still pulling all the strings at Sheffield Weds.
I wouldn’t play him in front of Dobbo or Fraser ( although the latter is a close call) but when we are trying to break down teams at The Valley I would always bring him on in front of Morgan, Mcgrandles ( who is useless) and Payne.
Apart from anything else , he takes very good dead balls including free kicks and can score goals from distance.10 -
I only watched the second half but based on that I thought he is well worth a place on the bench. I get the pace issue, and generally I trust BG, but JFC has a lot to offer. In addition he's rusty because he hasn't played any competitive football. McGrandles? Same is apparently true, needs to recover from injury (far less severe than JFC's). He was the conductor of our second goal, but that's literally the first time I've seen anything from him that showed me why he was signed. Before that most of his passes were sloppy, imprecise and suggesting, like Kirk, that he's afraid of keeping the ball.
JFC also had to jump out of the way of an outrageous two footed tackle that happened under the nose of the ref, and that suggested to me that the mental scars of two bad injuries have not yet healed.
He probably needs to move on in Jan but I would have thought that involvement in the league squad would be win-win for both parties.3 -
At the end of the day I think most people would agree they'd rather have him on the bench than McGrandles, which is the important point IMO as he wouldn't be replacing any of Dobson, Fraser or probably even Morgan.2
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Doesnt seem to bother Sessegnon?golfaddick said:
Hasn't got the pace of Clare but does have a left foot, which is very important when playing on the left.Oh Eddie Youds... said:
Is he a better left back option than Sean Clare when Sess is not fit?SELR_addicks said:Based on last night he'd look like a good player if he was under 21 and still developing.
Doesn't get into our first eleven in League one.0 -
I imagine TS would see the Win/Win slightly differently as not only would be paying double (apparently) the wages, it would also become a lot harder to move JFC on in Jan.PragueAddick said:I only watched the second half but based on that I thought he is well worth a place on the bench. I get the pace issue, and generally I trust BG, but JFC has a lot to offer. In addition he's rusty because he hasn't played any competitive football. McGrandles? Same is apparently true, needs to recover from injury (far less severe than JFC's). He was the conductor of our second goal, but that's literally the first time I've seen anything from him that showed me why he was signed. Before that most of his passes were sloppy, imprecise and suggesting, like Kirk, that he's afraid of keeping the ball.
JFC also had to jump out of the way of an outrageous two footed tackle that happened under the nose of the ref, and that suggested to me that the mental scars of two bad injuries have not yet healed.
He probably needs to move on in Jan but I would have thought that involvement in the league squad would be win-win for both parties.2 -
When Sessegnon was out injured, he would certaintly have been a much better bet at left back than Clayden or playing Clare on the wrong side because he's a natural left footer.
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He will play on Saturday and again next week Tuesday. We then won't see him until the next set of cup games, but clearly there is nothing about his contract and league appearances...
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I think wether he gets in the 11 now is totally irrelevant we are paying the wages of a play we either can't, or won't, play in the league.LonelyNorthernAddick said:At the end of the day I think most people would agree they'd rather have him on the bench than McGrandles, which is the important point IMO as he wouldn't be replacing any of Dobson, Fraser or probably even Morgan.
At the same time we have a massive center forward sized hole in our squad.
When you realise it's all totally self inflicted and could have been avoided at multiple stages of the summer it's both frustrating and doing no-one any favours.4 -
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He isn't playing in the league because we don't want to pay the money he would be due if he makes another league appearance. This comes from Jake himself to someone I trust implicitly.
In addition he is very unlikely to earn what we are paying him now if he goes to Wimbledon or anywhere else in L2 anyway.
That's why he isn't complaining - he's getting paid pretty handsomely to do very little. He'll move when he gets a suitable offer or when he is out of contract
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This is spot on.FishCostaFortune said:I thought the positions and pockets of space he took up, and particularly his choice and range of passing were as crisp and classy as ever.
However I also thought he looked a little slow and cumbersome and times, and that he lost out on some battles for the ball I wouldn’t have expected him to.
Really hard to tell where he is at from these games. I assume he will play against Stevenage which will be a sterner test.
He was Charlton's best player, but also looked a little slow and definitely didn't get totally stuck in.
In fact he jumped over an incoming tackle from Brighton's best player Miller.
The question is was JFC playing within himself for a Papa Johns game, or has he lost some pace & stamina?
I suspect he was playing within himself and also didn't want to get injured again.
Anyway, like Cabbles says it's immaterial.
He's almost certainly not going to play for us again in the league and barring no takers he will be gone in January.0 -
I thought BG said that its nothing to do with Jake making a league appearance.If he thought it was right to play jake he would. Does this then expose a lie by BG or have I misunderstood his comments?Swisdom said:He isn't playing in the league because we don't want to pay the money he would be due if he makes another league appearance. This comes from Jake himself to someone I trust implicitly.
In addition he is very unlikely to earn what we are paying him now if he goes to Wimbledon or anywhere else in L2 anyway.
That's why he isn't complaining - he's getting paid pretty handsomely to do very little. He'll move when he gets a suitable offer or when he is out of contract2 -
Wasn’t he due to join Wimbledon (on loan I think) but Don the Field Ranger naused up the paperwork0
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Dunno - but this came from Jake himself and you'd think he was at the forefront of the situationSolidgone said:
I thought BG said that its nothing to do with Jake making a league appearance.If he thought it was right to play jake he would. Does this then expose a lie by BG or have I misunderstood his comments?Swisdom said:He isn't playing in the league because we don't want to pay the money he would be due if he makes another league appearance. This comes from Jake himself to someone I trust implicitly.
In addition he is very unlikely to earn what we are paying him now if he goes to Wimbledon or anywhere else in L2 anyway.
That's why he isn't complaining - he's getting paid pretty handsomely to do very little. He'll move when he gets a suitable offer or when he is out of contract
Of course it's entirely possible he's just not good enough for Garner and this is becomes a convenient answer for Jake to give to save face.0 -
JFC was playing against young, fit and skillful players in the Brighton midfield last night and yet for substantial periods of play he was matching them yard for yard and, more importantly, dictating the pace of the game. He was constantly looking for the ball and aware of what to do with it when it came to him. He should be on the bench at least for league games.16
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But TS won't pay him more money once he makes another league appearance (as said above), so why have him on the bench.Dugdaleclass said:JFC was playing against young, fit and skillful players in the Brighton midfield last night and yet for substantial periods of play he was matching them yard for yard and, more importantly, dictating the pace of the game. He was constantly looking for the ball and aware of what to do with it when it came to him. He should be on the bench at least for league games.1 -
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A ridiculous decision to activate the extension considering TS is trying to save every penny. Can only assume he badly misjudged the interest he thought JFC would attract.
It should be obvious you could get a small fee for a young striker like Davison who has a reasonable scoring record on loan at Swindon.
It should also be obvious that an older player like JFC who’s had a couple of bad knee injuries is exactly the type of player no one is going to pay a fee for.5 -
How much would people think JFC is on now and what would it increase to if he plays again in the league?
I get TS wants to cut costs, but surely we can't be talking a huge amount here. Especially given it's a contract TS was prepared to offer in the first place.
So if he knew he was then going to instruct Garner not to play him (assuming he has) to avoid the higher salary kicking in, then why offer him a contract that basically means he's being paid to do nothing for 46 games out of around 55.
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We would have got a fee if he had proved he had recovered from his ACL.Scoham said:A ridiculous decision to activate the extension considering TS is trying to save every penny. Can only assume he badly misjudged the interest he thought JFC would attract.
It should be obvious you could get a small fee for a young striker like Davison who has a reasonable scoring record on loan at Swindon.
It should also be obvious that an older player like JFC who’s had a couple of bad knee injuries is exactly the type of player no one is going to pay a fee for.
Both parties, wrongly, expected the same level of interest as at the end of the 20/21 season.2 -
The figure JFC quoted is plenty to be living on tbf - he's not exactly on the bread line.Chris_from_Sidcup said:How much would people think JFC is on now and what would it increase to if he plays again in the league?
I get TS wants to cut costs, but surely we can't be talking a huge amount here. Especially given it's a contract TS was prepared to offer in the first place.
So if he knew he was then going to instruct Garner not to play him (assuming he has) to avoid the higher salary kicking in, then why offer him a contract that basically means he's being paid to do nothing for 46 games out of around 55.0 -
The positive is JFC will start all our cup games .0
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I assume the money increase is quite substantial otherwise we would happily cope with paying a small increase if we thought he could play a role in the squad.
Is he worth such an increase when he doesn't touch the level of Fraser or Dobson and is more on par with Morgan + Mcgrandles? Probably not.
People saying he's the best player in a reserve side against a team's under-21s miss the point completely.7 -
What exactly do you mean by proved he had recovered?Cafc43v3r said:
We would have got a fee if he had proved he had recovered from his ACL.Scoham said:A ridiculous decision to activate the extension considering TS is trying to save every penny. Can only assume he badly misjudged the interest he thought JFC would attract.
It should be obvious you could get a small fee for a young striker like Davison who has a reasonable scoring record on loan at Swindon.
It should also be obvious that an older player like JFC who’s had a couple of bad knee injuries is exactly the type of player no one is going to pay a fee for.
Both parties, wrongly, expected the same level of interest as at the end of the 20/21 season.0 -
Maybe I'm being naive but if he's happy enough on his current wage wouldn't it better for him to waive the clause, be involved in league games and put himself in the shop window for January if he wants to go? You say he's doing very little but he still has to train. Aren't matches meant to be the fun bit?Swisdom said:He isn't playing in the league because we don't want to pay the money he would be due if he makes another league appearance. This comes from Jake himself to someone I trust implicitly.
In addition he is very unlikely to earn what we are paying him now if he goes to Wimbledon or anywhere else in L2 anyway.
That's why he isn't complaining - he's getting paid pretty handsomely to do very little. He'll move when he gets a suitable offer or when he is out of contract5 -
Football is all about differing opinions and not everyone is keen on JFC as me which I understand. I would however make the point that Fraser and Dobson are decent League 1 level players. Dobson may even be able to play in the Championship. He is a super player. Nevertheless they are our midfield partners in a relatively average League 1 side. They aren't that special.SELR_addicks said:I assume the money increase is quite substantial otherwise we would happily cope with paying a small increase if we thought he could play a role in the squad.
Is he worth such an increase when he doesn't touch the level of Fraser or Dobson and is more on par with Morgan + Mcgrandles? Probably not.
People saying he's the best player in a reserve side against a team's under-21s miss the point completely.
JFC has represented England at every level below full international including 14 caps for England Under 21. He has also played over 80 games in the Championship. He is also only 28 years old.
I cannot agree that he 'doesnt touch the level of Dobson & Fraser' , neither of whom have any representative honours and neither of whom have played at Championship level.11
