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  • My ITV 7 for today (including 1 race at Huntingdon)-:

    13.20 Bob Olinger
    13.45 Lexi's Choice (Huntingdon)
    13.55 Monkfish
    14.30 Craigneiche
    15.05 Chacun Pour Soi
    15.40 Easysland
    16.15 Ibleo

  • Gaillard Du Mesnil In the opener with cash back as a loser, then go from there.
  • Should Greaneteen really be 66/1 in the Champion Chase? Looked really smart when winning the Haldon Gold Cup on his reappearance, and you can forgive his two recent runs on account of ground and racing overly keen last time. A fast 2m on proper good to soft ground is perfect for him, so happy to take a small E/W interest, for all CPS should bolt in.
  • 66/1 does he know, in the first

    looks like a bit of a punt but at those odds £2ew worth a bash. 
  • Bob Olinger is the first Cheltenham bet of the week for me
  • I've got a treble on Monkfish, Chacun and Easyland  - the only way to make money and it's still only 7/2.....    it worked yesterday with Appreciate It, Honeysuckle and Shiskin.

    I also from Skybet three weeks ago got 8/1 double on Honeysuckle and Monkfish, so here is hoping.

    Have my £10 free Skybet on BearGhylls and my £5 Paddy Power on Bravemansgame.

    I've got a few ew bets on all the other races, but genuinely I think it's a little bit scattergun - and lots of horses fancied everywhere.

    If the 3 big ones win today the bookies will have taken a pasting.

  • I've got Monkfish to win by 4+ lengths & Easyland and Chacun Pour Soi to win by 2+ lengths each

    Small money, but just to feel involved for the day
  • Keskonrisk each way here
  • bobmunro said:
    really strange not going there, but have friday off work 2 torps for the sub ready to be sunk hoping for a good week! best of luck everyone
    am in a cheltenhan comp 30 quid entry you pick a horse for every race and at end of week whoever is virtually up the most wins the pot circa 4k none other than dillon philips is in the group
    @palarsehater My eldest son is in the same comp.
    I understand one of the players in the comp copped the 80/1 winner yesterday. Give him the money now!!
  • yay, first winner 
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  • Birchdale, putkettleon, le breuil 
  • Monkfish worrying me here :(
  • Looks good to me 
  • Monkfish worrying me here :(
    Loose horse did him absolutely no favours. I never really thought it was in any doubt tbh but wasn't the cleanest run. He did enough and that was that, really.
  • Definitely gold cup next year 
  • PaddyP17 said:
    Monkfish worrying me here :(
    Loose horse did him absolutely no favours. I never really thought it was in any doubt tbh but wasn't the cleanest run. He did enough and that was that, really.

    That last jump though lol Heart in mouth stuff.
  • Small stakes bet on Craigneiche in the 2.30
  • PaddyP17 said:
    Right, Day 2 coming up, and with four really rather short favourites I'll be keeping my powder relatively dry.

    1.20 - Jamie Codd said that Bob Olinger is "a God-given certainty" for this race, and he tends to know what he's talking about, so I'm not exactly happy to take him on. However, the form is... well, it's not really worth of making him this short, surely? I'm going to chance on an unexposed type in Bear Ghylls (1pt win @ 9/1 generally), who could really be anything, and should be suited by the longer trip. However, there are loads of ways to play this race: Sky Bet are doing £10 money back as cash; and Betfair are offering three places.

    1.55 - This is much like the Arkle yesterday. We should see Monkfish absolutely hose up - the Irish look a class apart this year. No bet

    2.30 - Just like my advice for the Fred Winter, my overarching advice is this: choose what you like. You can make a case for LOADS in this. Willie Mullins is an obvious starting point, and for that reason I will be siding with Koshari (1pt EW @ 9/1, 1/4 1-6 with Bet365, but there are LOADS of differing place terms/odds so use Oddschecker), who is a HUGE shout particularly if his jumping is tidier. Nicky Henderson has been good in this of late and Craigneiche and Monte Cristo both merit consideration, but are too short for my liking. I'm going to take a huge speculative punt on Tea Clipper (0.5pts EW @ 50/1, 1/5 odds 1-7 with Betfair/PP/Sky), who has big questions about the trip, but with so many places you never know.

    3.05 - Right. Well, I think Chacun Pour Soi is too good for the rest of the field here. But the fact he's odds-on and the rest are double-figure prices makes it completely viable to have an each-way poke here. For that purpose I will take Nube Negra (1pt EW @ 11/1, 1/5 odds 1-3 generally), whose win in the Desert Orchid looked absolutely like no accident ahead of an admittedly below-par Altior. His jumping was stellar and he cruised into the race. First Flow and Politologue, in that order of preference, would be my next two to speculate on.

    3.40 - The XC is a very idiosyncratic race and for that reason I will not be taking on last year's winner, Easysland, with anything. Horses can do all sorts over this track, and I don't think Tiger Roll is the force of old, so we could see a bit of a lottery for the places. A few bookies offer 4 places though so let me know if you want an opinion on any horse. No bet

    4.15 - Paul Nicholls is always a starting point for the Grand Annual, as he has won it four times, and I'll take 2019's Arkle winner Duc Des Genievres (0.5pts EW @ 25/1, 1/5 odds 1-6 Betfair/PP/Sky, 5 elsewhere) with so many places on offer. Might not have trained on based on his last two outings but you never know. Ultimately I want Zanza to win this for antepost reasons but he's too short now, so I'll go with Not That Fuisse (0.5pts EW @ 16/1, 1/5 odds 1-5 generally, but shop around), who travels really strongly, so a sharp 2m should be perfect for his style. HOWEVER: just stick a pin in it. So many to make a case for.

    4.50 - This is between the top two. Again, Irish are looking a class apart. For personal reasons I'll probably have a bet on Shearer (McNeill family are sweet on him!) at huge odds but not really a race for me, this. They don't even jump ffs. No bet

    SUMMARY:

    1.20 - 1pt win Bear Ghylls @ 9/1
    1.55 - No bet
    2.30 - 1pt EW Koshari @ 9/1; 0.5pts EW Tea Clipper @ 50/1
    3.05 - 1pt EW Nube Negra @ 11/1
    3.40 - No bet
    4.15 - 0.5pts EW Duc Des Genievres @ 25/1; 0.5pts EW Not That Fuisse @ 16/1
    4.50 - No bet

    Staked: 8pts (not loads less than yesterday and it's all each way plays, so hopefully one wins and we're in business)
    Any thoughts on Hogan's Height e/w in the 3.40, Paddy?
  • That wasn't pretty, bit tough for Sporting John once he nearly fell was never coming back. Hope he is ok following the late fall. Really unflattering race, the unseated horse didn't help at the end.
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  • Vincenzo said:
    PaddyP17 said:
    Right, Day 2 coming up, and with four really rather short favourites I'll be keeping my powder relatively dry.

    1.20 - Jamie Codd said that Bob Olinger is "a God-given certainty" for this race, and he tends to know what he's talking about, so I'm not exactly happy to take him on. However, the form is... well, it's not really worth of making him this short, surely? I'm going to chance on an unexposed type in Bear Ghylls (1pt win @ 9/1 generally), who could really be anything, and should be suited by the longer trip. However, there are loads of ways to play this race: Sky Bet are doing £10 money back as cash; and Betfair are offering three places.

    1.55 - This is much like the Arkle yesterday. We should see Monkfish absolutely hose up - the Irish look a class apart this year. No bet

    2.30 - Just like my advice for the Fred Winter, my overarching advice is this: choose what you like. You can make a case for LOADS in this. Willie Mullins is an obvious starting point, and for that reason I will be siding with Koshari (1pt EW @ 9/1, 1/4 1-6 with Bet365, but there are LOADS of differing place terms/odds so use Oddschecker), who is a HUGE shout particularly if his jumping is tidier. Nicky Henderson has been good in this of late and Craigneiche and Monte Cristo both merit consideration, but are too short for my liking. I'm going to take a huge speculative punt on Tea Clipper (0.5pts EW @ 50/1, 1/5 odds 1-7 with Betfair/PP/Sky), who has big questions about the trip, but with so many places you never know.

    3.05 - Right. Well, I think Chacun Pour Soi is too good for the rest of the field here. But the fact he's odds-on and the rest are double-figure prices makes it completely viable to have an each-way poke here. For that purpose I will take Nube Negra (1pt EW @ 11/1, 1/5 odds 1-3 generally), whose win in the Desert Orchid looked absolutely like no accident ahead of an admittedly below-par Altior. His jumping was stellar and he cruised into the race. First Flow and Politologue, in that order of preference, would be my next two to speculate on.

    3.40 - The XC is a very idiosyncratic race and for that reason I will not be taking on last year's winner, Easysland, with anything. Horses can do all sorts over this track, and I don't think Tiger Roll is the force of old, so we could see a bit of a lottery for the places. A few bookies offer 4 places though so let me know if you want an opinion on any horse. No bet

    4.15 - Paul Nicholls is always a starting point for the Grand Annual, as he has won it four times, and I'll take 2019's Arkle winner Duc Des Genievres (0.5pts EW @ 25/1, 1/5 odds 1-6 Betfair/PP/Sky, 5 elsewhere) with so many places on offer. Might not have trained on based on his last two outings but you never know. Ultimately I want Zanza to win this for antepost reasons but he's too short now, so I'll go with Not That Fuisse (0.5pts EW @ 16/1, 1/5 odds 1-5 generally, but shop around), who travels really strongly, so a sharp 2m should be perfect for his style. HOWEVER: just stick a pin in it. So many to make a case for.

    4.50 - This is between the top two. Again, Irish are looking a class apart. For personal reasons I'll probably have a bet on Shearer (McNeill family are sweet on him!) at huge odds but not really a race for me, this. They don't even jump ffs. No bet

    SUMMARY:

    1.20 - 1pt win Bear Ghylls @ 9/1
    1.55 - No bet
    2.30 - 1pt EW Koshari @ 9/1; 0.5pts EW Tea Clipper @ 50/1
    3.05 - 1pt EW Nube Negra @ 11/1
    3.40 - No bet
    4.15 - 0.5pts EW Duc Des Genievres @ 25/1; 0.5pts EW Not That Fuisse @ 16/1
    4.50 - No bet

    Staked: 8pts (not loads less than yesterday and it's all each way plays, so hopefully one wins and we're in business)
    Any thoughts on Hogan's Height e/w in the 3.40, Paddy?
    The P this season gives pause for thought, even though in a totally different ball game. He's also never run in any type of cross-country - though has always been a chaser. Personally think the odds are a little skinny, though 22/1 1/5 1-4 at Bet365 is not completely unreasonable.

    Wouldn't play it myself but wouldn't blame you for doing so, with four places.
  • Interesting that this year there are very few runners from smaller yards and Paul Nicholls, Philip Hobbs have very few runners. Even Henderson's horses look well behind the Irish brigades. Is this due to covid ?, top/rich owners preferring to place horses with Irish trainers ?, an over dependence in England on French bred horses and a lack of top quality English breds, a lack of cash amongst English owners ? Whatever, the Irish influence and dominance on English NH racing seems to grow bigger every season
  • PaddyP17 said:
    Vincenzo said:
    PaddyP17 said:
    Right, Day 2 coming up, and with four really rather short favourites I'll be keeping my powder relatively dry.

    1.20 - Jamie Codd said that Bob Olinger is "a God-given certainty" for this race, and he tends to know what he's talking about, so I'm not exactly happy to take him on. However, the form is... well, it's not really worth of making him this short, surely? I'm going to chance on an unexposed type in Bear Ghylls (1pt win @ 9/1 generally), who could really be anything, and should be suited by the longer trip. However, there are loads of ways to play this race: Sky Bet are doing £10 money back as cash; and Betfair are offering three places.

    1.55 - This is much like the Arkle yesterday. We should see Monkfish absolutely hose up - the Irish look a class apart this year. No bet

    2.30 - Just like my advice for the Fred Winter, my overarching advice is this: choose what you like. You can make a case for LOADS in this. Willie Mullins is an obvious starting point, and for that reason I will be siding with Koshari (1pt EW @ 9/1, 1/4 1-6 with Bet365, but there are LOADS of differing place terms/odds so use Oddschecker), who is a HUGE shout particularly if his jumping is tidier. Nicky Henderson has been good in this of late and Craigneiche and Monte Cristo both merit consideration, but are too short for my liking. I'm going to take a huge speculative punt on Tea Clipper (0.5pts EW @ 50/1, 1/5 odds 1-7 with Betfair/PP/Sky), who has big questions about the trip, but with so many places you never know.

    3.05 - Right. Well, I think Chacun Pour Soi is too good for the rest of the field here. But the fact he's odds-on and the rest are double-figure prices makes it completely viable to have an each-way poke here. For that purpose I will take Nube Negra (1pt EW @ 11/1, 1/5 odds 1-3 generally), whose win in the Desert Orchid looked absolutely like no accident ahead of an admittedly below-par Altior. His jumping was stellar and he cruised into the race. First Flow and Politologue, in that order of preference, would be my next two to speculate on.

    3.40 - The XC is a very idiosyncratic race and for that reason I will not be taking on last year's winner, Easysland, with anything. Horses can do all sorts over this track, and I don't think Tiger Roll is the force of old, so we could see a bit of a lottery for the places. A few bookies offer 4 places though so let me know if you want an opinion on any horse. No bet

    4.15 - Paul Nicholls is always a starting point for the Grand Annual, as he has won it four times, and I'll take 2019's Arkle winner Duc Des Genievres (0.5pts EW @ 25/1, 1/5 odds 1-6 Betfair/PP/Sky, 5 elsewhere) with so many places on offer. Might not have trained on based on his last two outings but you never know. Ultimately I want Zanza to win this for antepost reasons but he's too short now, so I'll go with Not That Fuisse (0.5pts EW @ 16/1, 1/5 odds 1-5 generally, but shop around), who travels really strongly, so a sharp 2m should be perfect for his style. HOWEVER: just stick a pin in it. So many to make a case for.

    4.50 - This is between the top two. Again, Irish are looking a class apart. For personal reasons I'll probably have a bet on Shearer (McNeill family are sweet on him!) at huge odds but not really a race for me, this. They don't even jump ffs. No bet

    SUMMARY:

    1.20 - 1pt win Bear Ghylls @ 9/1
    1.55 - No bet
    2.30 - 1pt EW Koshari @ 9/1; 0.5pts EW Tea Clipper @ 50/1
    3.05 - 1pt EW Nube Negra @ 11/1
    3.40 - No bet
    4.15 - 0.5pts EW Duc Des Genievres @ 25/1; 0.5pts EW Not That Fuisse @ 16/1
    4.50 - No bet

    Staked: 8pts (not loads less than yesterday and it's all each way plays, so hopefully one wins and we're in business)
    Any thoughts on Hogan's Height e/w in the 3.40, Paddy?
    The P this season gives pause for thought, even though in a totally different ball game. He's also never run in any type of cross-country - though has always been a chaser. Personally think the odds are a little skinny, though 22/1 1/5 1-4 at Bet365 is not completely unreasonable.

    Wouldn't play it myself but wouldn't blame you for doing so, with four places.
    Thanks. Always good to get your opinion.
  • If I was having a bet - a little dabble on Birchdale (EW).
  • Interesting that this year there are very few runners from smaller yards and Paul Nicholls, Philip Hobbs have very few runners. Even Henderson's horses look well behind the Irish brigades. Is this due to covid ?, top/rich owners preferring to place horses with Irish trainers ?, an over dependence in England on French bred horses and a lack of top quality English breds, a lack of cash amongst English owners ? Whatever, the Irish influence and dominance on English NH racing seems to grow bigger every season
    All of the above really, Lincs.
  • Shouldn't have let him dictate the race like that.
  • What a shit race
  • PaddyP17 said:

    2.30 - Just like my advice for the Fred Winter, my overarching advice is this: choose what you like. You can make a case for LOADS in this. Willie Mullins is an obvious starting point, and for that reason I will be siding with Koshari (1pt EW @ 9/1, 1/4 1-6 with Bet365, but there are LOADS of differing place terms/odds so use Oddschecker), who is a HUGE shout particularly if his jumping is tidier. Nicky Henderson has been good in this of late and Craigneiche and Monte Cristo both merit consideration, but are too short for my liking. I'm going to take a huge speculative punt on Tea Clipper (0.5pts EW @ 50/1, 1/5 odds 1-7 with Betfair/PP/Sky), who has big questions about the trip, but with so many places you never know.


    SUMMARY:

    1.20 - 1pt win Bear Ghylls @ 9/1
    1.55 - No bet
    2.30 - 1pt EW Koshari @ 9/1; 0.5pts EW Tea Clipper @ 50/1
    3.05 - 1pt EW Nube Negra @ 11/1
    3.40 - No bet
    4.15 - 0.5pts EW Duc Des Genievres @ 25/1; 0.5pts EW Not That Fuisse @ 16/1
    4.50 - No bet

    Staked: 8pts (not loads less than yesterday and it's all each way plays, so hopefully one wins and we're in business)
    Tea Clipper for a place at 50s which was the prevailing odds at the time (33s SP)! 

    That is a nice 5.5pts so hoping for a little bit more back later.
  • edited March 2021
    I give credit to the jock and the horse. Hit the line very strongly and, even if they tactically stole a march, hard to see her not being good enough to be in the mix even if they hadn't.
    Thoroughly deserved in my book.
  • bobmunro said:
    If I was having a bet - a little dabble on Birchdale (EW).
    Had this, and he's just squeezed in to a place
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