Only compare us to Wigan

RonnieMoore

The only way to judge our season is to compare us with Wigan .. both of us were in the same situation in September/October concerning embargo, working solely under wage cap and hoping for a takeover .. luckily we got our hero in TS but look at Wigan and where they are. Another 0-5 home defeat that’s 3 this season and still no new owner ......  this could have have so easily been us .

So we are not doing that bad after all ... if you add injuries, wonder goals scored against us plus the times we hit bar and post we have come along way and a fine line from going on a very good run .
Think anything we archive will be a bonus this season our work really starts in the summer when LB and SG will have time to build a squad and have a proper pre season .

You don’t undo 4/5 years of cost cutting and poor ownership in 5 months 

Leuth

We've had one and a half transfer windows with a new owner and played dreadful and often ineffective football almost throughout? 

SELR_addicks

Comparing ourselves to a club in administration is nonsense. 

They've been cutting costs since July and haven't had a manager since November. 

Trying to portray this season as anything other than a failure is laughable. 

ShootersHillGuru

RonnieMoore said:

The only way to judge our season is to compare us with Wigan .. both of us were in the same situation in September/October concerning embargo, working solely under wage cap and hoping for a takeover .. luckily we got our hero in TS but look at Wigan and where they are. Another 0-5 home defeat that’s 3 this season and still no new owner ......  this could have have so easily been us .

So we are not doing that bad after all ... if you add injuries, wonder goals scored against us plus the times we hit bar and post we have come along way and a fine line from going on a very good run .
Think anything we archive will be a bonus this season our work really starts in the summer when LB and SG will have time to build a squad and have a proper pre season .

You don’t undo 4/5 years of cost cutting and poor ownership in 5 months 

Next season will be the time to make judgements. There will be funds available and we should be quite capable of getting the majority of our targets. I would think SG and LB are already working on it. 

SporadicAddick

RonnieMoore said:

The only way to judge our season is to compare us with Wigan .. both of us were in the same situation in September/October concerning embargo, working solely under wage cap and hoping for a takeover .. luckily we got our hero in TS but look at Wigan and where they are. Another 0-5 home defeat that’s 3 this season and still no new owner ......  this could have have so easily been us .

So we are not doing that bad after all ... if you add injuries, wonder goals scored against us plus the times we hit bar and post we have come along way and a fine line from going on a very good run .
Think anything we archive will be a bonus this season our work really starts in the summer when LB and SG will have time to build a squad and have a proper pre season .

You don’t undo 4/5 years of cost cutting and poor ownership in 5 months 

Please stop with this common sense and appropriate perspective. Bowyer is shit (he isn't), has no tactical nouse (he has), doesn't know how to set up a team (he does) and has lost the dressing room (he hasn't).

ForeverAddickted

Dunno if we can go as far as to compare us with Wigan as we have been able to strengthen in the Transfer Market - Equally though I dont think we can compare ourselves with Hull who kept the majority of their squad together, the fact we're still only nine points behind them (with a game in hand ourselves now) is why I look at it with a bit of perspective

Dazzler21

I don't think given the ownership situations you can compare us.

Bedsaddick

Wigan are achieving what’s expected as they are in deep trouble.
We on the the other hand are severely under achieving constantly and there is obviously something wrong somewhere with the set up but it’s not because of finances . 

You can’t really compare the two teams . 

Cafc43v3r

We, by hook or crook, re signed JFC, Amos, Morgan and Williams and kept Pearce, Oshilaja, Aneke, Purrington, Pratley, Phillips, Bonne and Doughty.  Then added Gilbey, Levitt and Washington BEFORE the take over.

To compare us "only to Wigan" is as ignorant as comparing us only to anyone one else.

If we were fielding 3 or 4 teenagers or short term contracts like Ledley every week you might have an argument.  Because that's what Wigan have been doing. 

BigRedEvil

We've signed a squad load of players since October and have been poor apart from a 6 game spell. 

Are they all bad players or is the manager not getting enough from them? 

Cafc43v3r

ForeverAddickted said:

Dunno if we can go as far as to compare us with Wigan as we have been able to strengthen in the Transfer Market - Equally though I dont think we can compare ourselves with Hull who kept the majority of their squad together, the fact we're still only nine points behind them (with a game in hand ourselves now) is why I look at it with a bit of perspective

Remember Hull sold their best 2 players last January and released about 6, including our mate Marcus and their club captain before the restart. 

se9addick

Until Bowyer came out with his “we’re overachieving” nonsense (post a home loss to Gillingham incredibly) I don’t remember anyone saying that doing better than the team bottom of the league would be “over achieving” this season. 

It wouldn’t have been true then, and it clearly isn’t true now. But people are grasping for any straw they can to back Bowyer, seemingly at the expense of their own sense of reason and logic.

bolloxbolder

Hello Lee.

SuedeAdidas

In summary........it appears that we are somewhere in between massively over achieving and massively under achieving.

I'm not in the Bowyer out camp and I think he probably should be given the chance at a proper transfer window (without wage cap) and a proper pre-season to see what can be achieved.
Notwithstanding this - I think we should be doing better that we are given resources available.I also think that LB would galvanise the fanbase a little more if he would say similar on a consistent basis. I do not see how he can constantly state in post match interviews that we should be doing better.....and then say that we are over achieving?!?

Dave Rudd

Let's have a new 'Ravel Morrison' thread?

charltonbob

RonnieMoore said:

The only way to judge our season is to compare us with Wigan .. both of us were in the same situation in September/October concerning embargo, working solely under wage cap and hoping for a takeover .. luckily we got our hero in TS but look at Wigan and where they are. Another 0-5 home defeat that’s 3 this season and still no new owner ......  this could have have so easily been us .

So we are not doing that bad after all ... if you add injuries, wonder goals scored against us plus the times we hit bar and post we have come along way and a fine line from going on a very good run .
Think anything we archive will be a bonus this season our work really starts in the summer when LB and SG will have time to build a squad and have a proper pre season .

You don’t undo 4/5 years of cost cutting and poor ownership in 5 months 

Ok thanks Lee

ForeverAddickted

Cafc43v3r said:

ForeverAddickted said:

Dunno if we can go as far as to compare us with Wigan as we have been able to strengthen in the Transfer Market - Equally though I dont think we can compare ourselves with Hull who kept the majority of their squad together, the fact we're still only nine points behind them (with a game in hand ourselves now) is why I look at it with a bit of perspective

Remember Hull sold their best 2 players last January and released about 6, including our mate Marcus and their club captain before the restart. 

Thats what relegated them in the first place, werent they competing for a Play-Off spot when they sold Bowen and Grosiki?

(Just to highlight how badly the dropped)

Dazzler21

SuedeAdidas said:

In summary........it appears that we are somewhere in between massively over achieving and massively under achieving.

I'm not in the Bowyer out camp and I think he probably should be given the chance at a proper transfer window (without wage cap) and a proper pre-season to see what can be achieved.

What if a new cap is agreed in time for summer?

cafcfan1990

I’m more than happy to compare us to Wigan as a what might have been, that could so easily have been us. 

But it wasn’t. We got lucky with TS but you can’t dine out on that forever. Not a fair comparison, finishing a place above them this season doesn’t make it successful nor acceptable. 

SuedeAdidas

Dazzler21 said:

SuedeAdidas said:

In summary........it appears that we are somewhere in between massively over achieving and massively under achieving.

I'm not in the Bowyer out camp and I think he probably should be given the chance at a proper transfer window (without wage cap) and a proper pre-season to see what can be achieved.

What if a new cap is agreed in time for summer?

Then we need to react accordingly.
Given that the previous version was thrown out, my assumption would be that any version 2.0 would need to be much less of a blunt tool and more suitable to sustainability against each club's circumstances (be that % of turnover or something else).

cafcfan1990

Dazzler21 said:

SuedeAdidas said:

In summary........it appears that we are somewhere in between massively over achieving and massively under achieving.

I'm not in the Bowyer out camp and I think he probably should be given the chance at a proper transfer window (without wage cap) and a proper pre-season to see what can be achieved.

What if a new cap is agreed in time for summer?

no chance, they're going to have to do proper consultations this time. Knowing how fast the EFL work, I'm not sure I'll still be alive to see it!

se9addick

SuedeAdidas said:

In summary........it appears that we are somewhere in between massively over achieving and massively under achieving.

I'm not in the Bowyer out camp and I think he probably should be given the chance at a proper transfer window (without wage cap) and a proper pre-season to see what can be achieved.
Notwithstanding this - I think we should be doing better that we are given resources available.I also think that LB would galvanise the fanbase a little more if he would say similar on a consistent basis. I do not see how he can constantly state in post match interviews that we should be doing better.....and then say that we are over achieving?!?

I mean we aren’t anywhere near “massively overachieving” so we are only in between those two points in the same way that I’m somewhere between “massively going on a date with Margot Robbie” and “massively receiving a court ordered restraining order from going within 100ft of Margot Robbie”. 

PrincessFiona

RonnieMoore said:

The only way to judge our season is to compare us with Wigan .. both of us were in the same situation in September/October concerning embargo, working solely under wage cap and hoping for a takeover .. luckily we got our hero in TS but look at Wigan and where they are. Another 0-5 home defeat that’s 3 this season and still no new owner ......  this could have have so easily been us .

So we are not doing that bad after all ... if you add injuries, wonder goals scored against us plus the times we hit bar and post we have come along way and a fine line from going on a very good run .
Think anything we archive will be a bonus this season our work really starts in the summer when LB and SG will have time to build a squad and have a proper pre season .

You don’t undo 4/5 years of cost cutting and poor ownership in 5 months 

Exactly how I see it

AFKABartram

Can I not compare thee to a summers day?

LittleAddick

Wigan are still in administration, we never were and have had 1 and a half transfer windows with a owner willing to bring in the likes of shinnie and maddison, players who have been proven to be top players at this division, whilst we still have the likes of aneke and JFC.  Wigan lost all of there decent players. 

SE10Addick

AFKABartram said:

Can I not compare thee to a summers day?

Buy me a drink first and I'll think about it

Henry Irving

AFKABartram said:

Can I not compare thee to a summers day?

Does not a rose by any other name smell as sweet?


Wigan are not a like for like comparison and neither, for different reasons, are Hull who also came down with us.

We've had a unique set of issues, challenges and opportunities and Bowyer and Sandgaard should be judged in light of those.

Sandgaard has a long term plan and he sees Bowyer as part of that, at least for now, otherwise he would have sacked him.

PS can we have more Shakespeare and fewer repeat threads attacking/defending Sandgaard's decision to keep Bowyer on.

thenewbie

I quite like the idea of Lee Bowyer going full theatre ham with a rendition of the St Crispin's day "We happy few..." Speech to the players, in a proper London boy cadence. Stirring stuff I have no doubt.

Stig

You can compare us with Wigan if you like. I'll carry on comparing us with other clubs. Only 14 Champions League wins to go and we can reasonably claim to be the biggest club in history (as long as none of the current big boys win more in the meantime).

killerandflash

"Is this a dagger which I see before me"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_div_2/9422353.stm

Henry Irving

Act 1 Scene 1

A boot room in South East London

Ged Roddy, Steve Gallen and Steve Avory stand over a cauldron

Gallen

By the pricking of my thumbs,
Something wicked this way comes.
Open, locks,
Whoever knocks!

Enter Bowyer

BOWYER

How now, you secret, black, and midnight slags!
What is't you do?

ALL

A deed without a name.

BOWYER

I conjure you, by that which you profess,
Howe'er you come to know it, answer me:
Though you untie the winds and let them fight
Against the Football League; though the yesty waves
Confound and swallow navigation up;
Though bladed corn be lodged and trees blown down;
Though mill walls topple on their warders' heads;
Though palaces and pyramids do slope
Their heads to their foundations; though the treasure
Of nature's germens tumble all together,
Even till destruction sicken; answer me
To what I ask you.