Comparing us to Wigan is one of the worst takes this site has served up recently, and there's been a few. It's actually downright ignorant
There hadn't been a single post on here this season suggesting that we were over achieving until Bowyer said it, now it's just been accepted as gospel. Anything but top 6 was a failure only TWO WEEKS ago, and that was almost unanimously agreed within the fanbase, but now it's fine to finish mid table and 'rebuild' in the summer. I wonder if any of you are this flimsy with your beliefs outside of football?
Comparing us to Wigan is one of the worst takes this site has served up recently, and there's been a few. It's actually downright ignorant
There hadn't been a single post on here this season suggesting that we were over achieving until Bowyer said it, now it's just been accepted as gospel. Anything but top 6 was a failure only TWO WEEKS ago, and that was almost unanimously agreed within the fanbase, but now it's fine to finish mid table and 'rebuild' in the summer. I wonder if any of you are this flimsy with your beliefs outside of football?
Exactly, as NOTHING about our transfer policy this year has suggested a year of consolidation, as otherwise it would have made more sense to keep the likes of Lapslie and Oztumer, play more U23s (giving the likes of Wiredu, Davison, Dempsey more game time to prove themselves) and bringing in fewer "big names" on decent wages like Gunter, Watson, Maddison and presumably Schwartz
The only way to judge our season is to compare us with Wigan .. both of us were in the same situation in September/October concerning embargo, working solely under wage cap and hoping for a takeover .. luckily we got our hero in TS but look at Wigan and where they are. Another 0-5 home defeat that’s 3 this season and still no new owner ...... this could have have so easily been us .
So we are not doing that bad after all ... if you add injuries, wonder goals scored against us plus the times we hit bar and post we have come along way and a fine line from going on a very good run . Think anything we archive will be a bonus this season our work really starts in the summer when LB and SG will have time to build a squad and have a proper pre season .
You don’t undo 4/5 years of cost cutting and poor ownership in 5 months
Difficult to predict. QPR spent millions to get to the Prem but are still 15th or 18th in the Championship.
Want to get out of league 1 within two years. Top six this year, then promotion next year (HE'S NOT SAYING HE DOESN'T WANT OR DOESN'T THINK WE CAN GO UP THIS SEASON!)
Then stabilise like Preston and Spanners in Championship, building slowly, then we can look up. That's the way SG thinks is the way to do it, through stability.
Comparing ourselves to a club in administration is nonsense.
They've been cutting costs since July and haven't had a manager since November.
Trying to portray this season as anything other than a failure is laughable.
What’s laughable is people expecting we can sign a dozen loans and free agents over the space of a two week period and then expect to be able to waltz our way to promotion.
That’s incredibly insulting to our rivals who have in some cases built slowly, steadily and deliberately for a number of seasons in a row to get to the top of this league. Sunderland have been here going on three years, most others have been at this level even longer.
Our status as a larger fish in the pond should mean we can work our way to the top of the pile quicker than others but we don’t have a divine right to be in the top six immediately.
Comparing ourselves to a club in administration is nonsense.
They've been cutting costs since July and haven't had a manager since November.
Trying to portray this season as anything other than a failure is laughable.
What’s laughable is people expecting we can sign a dozen loans and free agents over the space of a two week period and then expect to be able to waltz our way to promotion.
That’s incredibly insulting to our rivals who have in some cases built slowly, steadily and deliberately for a number of seasons in a row to get to the top of this league. Sunderland have been here going on three years, most others have been at this level even longer.
Our status as a larger fish in the pond should mean we can work our way to the top of the pile quicker than others but we don’t have a divine right to be in the top six immediately.
If we started with no players that would be true. All these teams that have "had years" to build their squads did they have the base we started with?
Add in 5 reasonable loans, which you would expect most teams at this level to have and a splash of our U23s (which most clubs at this level don't even have) you would expect a mid table finish wouldn't you?
To continue on the Shakespeare theme, time for some more bastardised Macbeth:
Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow,
Creeps in this dull debate from day to day
To the last syllable of recorded time,
And all our witterings will make no odds
To Charlton's actual game. "Out, out, Lee Bowyer!"
Life’s but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the pitch
And then is subbed again: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
Comparing ourselves to a club in administration is nonsense.
They've been cutting costs since July and haven't had a manager since November.
Trying to portray this season as anything other than a failure is laughable.
What’s laughable is people expecting we can sign a dozen loans and free agents over the space of a two week period and then expect to be able to waltz our way to promotion.
That’s incredibly insulting to our rivals who have in some cases built slowly, steadily and deliberately for a number of seasons in a row to get to the top of this league. Sunderland have been here going on three years, most others have been at this level even longer.
Our status as a larger fish in the pond should mean we can work our way to the top of the pile quicker than others but we don’t have a divine right to be in the top six immediately.
Everyone before the season started said play-offs.
Everyone after the summer window said play-offs.
Everyone after January said play-offs.
Suddenly now it looks like we're failing, people are bending over backwards to try and cut Bowyer some slack.
The takes about squad turnover would make sense if we improved over the season. When, in fact, we've been progressively getting worse the more time Bowyer is given to work with the squad.
Comparing ourselves to a club in administration is nonsense.
They've been cutting costs since July and haven't had a manager since November.
Trying to portray this season as anything other than a failure is laughable.
What’s laughable is people expecting we can sign a dozen loans and free agents over the space of a two week period and then expect to be able to waltz our way to promotion.
That’s incredibly insulting to our rivals who have in some cases built slowly, steadily and deliberately for a number of seasons in a row to get to the top of this league. Sunderland have been here going on three years, most others have been at this level even longer.
Our status as a larger fish in the pond should mean we can work our way to the top of the pile quicker than others but we don’t have a divine right to be in the top six immediately.
Everyone before the season started said play-offs.
Everyone after the summer window said play-offs.
Everyone after January said play-offs.
Suddenly now it looks like we're failing, people are bending over backwards to try and cut Bowyer some flack.
The takes about squad turnover would make sense if we improved over the season. When, in fact, we've been progressively getting worse the more time Bowyer is given to work with the squad.
Play-offs are still very much within reach. We are sitting at 1.53ppg and ppg for sixth place each of the last five (completed) seasons are:
I'd have to go back to find the exact post but if you'd offered me 43 points from 28 games back in September, I'd have taken it.
The fact we've got there backwards (fast start, slow recently) is not ideal but we've shown we're capable of a run of good results out of nowhere (who expected Oct/Nov run of results?) and despite all the doom and gloom on here, there's absolutely no reason we can't get back to that point again.
Bowyer said himself that anything other than top six would be a failure relatively recently. Assuming he wasn't lying and bearing in mind it is still possible to finish in the top six I'm a bit bemused as to why he mentioned Wigan at all.
We really have reached the stage, where I am seriously worried that Boywerism really is a cult. I truly think Ronniemoore believes that we are comparable to Wigan, an that makes no sense at all to any reasonable person. Try telling Thomas, that everything he has done so far, and any support he has given the club, actually amounts to nothing, and we are comparable with Wigan.
Sorry anyone who believes this, needs to take a look at their mindset.
Bowyer said himself that anything other than top six would be a failure relatively recently. Assuming he wasn't lying and bearing in mind it is still possible to finish in the top six I'm a bit bemused as to why he mentioned Wigan at all.
Didn't he later shout down Benji for asking about top six? Asked who set top six as a target or something like that.
We really have reached the stage, where I am seriously worried that Boywerism really is a cult. I truly think Ronniemoore believes that we are comparable to Wigan, an that makes no sense at all to any reasonable person. Try telling Thomas, that everything he has done so far, and any support he has given the club, actually amounts to nothing, and we are comparable with Wigan.
Sorry anyone who believes this, needs to take a look at their mindset.
Bowyerism as you called it has reached the stage where there are some people that believe he is beyond any critisim at all. Everything that he has done is because of circumstances.
There is a valid argument for having sacked him in December, give him until we can't make the play offs, give him the summer, even to give him until this time next year. Regardless of the results in the mean time.
However anyone that doesn't think he has made mistakes, that have directly impacted results over the last year, or more, is either not watching the games or saying it to get a reaction.
Difficult to predict. QPR spent millions to get to the Prem but are still 15th or 18th in the Championship.
Want to get out of league 1 within two years. Top six this year, then promotion next year (HE'S NOT SAYING HE DOESN'T WANT OR DOESN'T THINK WE CAN GO UP THIS SEASON!)
Then stabilise like Preston and Spanners in Championship, building slowly, then we can look up. That's the way SG thinks is the way to do it, through stability.
So top six this season is the minimum requirement, anything less is failure.
We've signed a squad load of players since October and have been poor apart from a 6 game spell.
Are they all bad players or is the manager not getting enough from them?
Or maybe, as many believe, it takes 6 months for new players to gel?
6 months? Where do you get that from? No squad should ever take 6 months to gel.
Sir Alex Ferguson said it routinely took 5 months for his new players to gel at ManU when he was manager. I've heard six mentioned for years. We've added half a team this season. More? I would think it takes half a season. Could be wrong!
We've signed a squad load of players since October and have been poor apart from a 6 game spell.
Are they all bad players or is the manager not getting enough from them?
Or maybe, as many believe, it takes 6 months for new players to gel?
6 months? Where do you get that from? No squad should ever take 6 months to gel.
Sir Alex Ferguson said it routinely took 5 months for his new players to gel at ManU when he was manager. I've heard six mentioned for years. We've added half a team this season. More? I would think it takes half a season. Could be wrong!
Just admit it, we’re all friends here, you made up the “six months” thing didn’t you?
We've signed a squad load of players since October and have been poor apart from a 6 game spell.
Are they all bad players or is the manager not getting enough from them?
Or maybe, as many believe, it takes 6 months for new players to gel?
6 months? Where do you get that from? No squad should ever take 6 months to gel.
Sir Alex Ferguson said it routinely took 5 months for his new players to gel at ManU when he was manager. I've heard six mentioned for years. We've added half a team this season. More? I would think it takes half a season. Could be wrong!
I think the quote you are referring to, although I can't find it, is about foreign players taking 6 months to settle and get used to the pace of the league. I don't think that's applicable to Watson and Gunter 🤷♂️
Plus 10 of our 18 on Saturday were here last season.
Lincoln who are currently top had 14 players come in during the summer window.
What's there managers secret?
They could do it before the wage cap come in ..... we had to do all our deals during the wage cap also div one teams had months to prepare we had a few weeks
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There hadn't been a single post on here this season suggesting that we were over achieving until Bowyer said it, now it's just been accepted as gospel. Anything but top 6 was a failure only TWO WEEKS ago, and that was almost unanimously agreed within the fanbase, but now it's fine to finish mid table and 'rebuild' in the summer. I wonder if any of you are this flimsy with your beliefs outside of football?
SANDMAN
Jesus wept. Some reach that.
Where will we be in five years?
Difficult to predict. QPR spent millions to get to the Prem but are still 15th or 18th in the Championship.
Want to get out of league 1 within two years. Top six this year, then promotion next year (HE'S NOT SAYING HE DOESN'T WANT OR DOESN'T THINK WE CAN GO UP THIS SEASON!)
Then stabilise like Preston and Spanners in Championship, building slowly, then we can look up. That's the way SG thinks is the way to do it, through stability.
Didn't Bowyer ask Benji recently who said top 6 this year? #justsaying
Amos, Philips
Pearce, Oshilaja, Purrington
JFC, Morgan, Lapslie, Pratley, Lapslie, Gilbey
Williams, Oztumer, Doughty
Bonne, Washington, Aneke
Add in 5 reasonable loans, which you would expect most teams at this level to have and a splash of our U23s (which most clubs at this level don't even have) you would expect a mid table finish wouldn't you?
will leave it to the more statistical of you, but the kids go to bed at 9pm so any time till then will be good.
Creeps in this dull debate from day to day
To the last syllable of recorded time,
And all our witterings will make no odds
To Charlton's actual game. "Out, out, Lee Bowyer!"
Life’s but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the pitch
And then is subbed again: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
Everyone after the summer window said play-offs.
Everyone after January said play-offs.
Suddenly now it looks like we're failing, people are bending over backwards to try and cut Bowyer some slack.
The takes about squad turnover would make sense if we improved over the season. When, in fact, we've been progressively getting worse the more time Bowyer is given to work with the squad.
Play-offs are still very much within reach. We are sitting at 1.53ppg and ppg for sixth place each of the last five (completed) seasons are:
18/19: 1.58
17/18: 1.54
16/17: 1.58
15/16: 1.60
14/15: 1.50
20/21: 1.53 (CAFC)
I'd have to go back to find the exact post but if you'd offered me 43 points from 28 games back in September, I'd have taken it.
The fact we've got there backwards (fast start, slow recently) is not ideal but we've shown we're capable of a run of good results out of nowhere (who expected Oct/Nov run of results?) and despite all the doom and gloom on here, there's absolutely no reason we can't get back to that point again.
There is a valid argument for having sacked him in December, give him until we can't make the play offs, give him the summer, even to give him until this time next year. Regardless of the results in the mean time.
However anyone that doesn't think he has made mistakes, that have directly impacted results over the last year, or more, is either not watching the games or saying it to get a reaction.
Or maybe, as many believe, it takes 6 months for new players to gel?
Sir Alex Ferguson said it routinely took 5 months for his new players to gel at ManU when he was manager. I've heard six mentioned for years. We've added half a team this season. More? I would think it takes half a season. Could be wrong!
Plus 10 of our 18 on Saturday were here last season.
What's there managers secret?