blackforest got it in for you charlie, poor response from him mind you, not his usual standard.
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Sure but it's not worth writing a longer and more articulate response, if I did it'd only fall on deaf ears.
................. i got shouted at by a motorcyclist yesterday. My crime was to cross over in front of a stationery van, i got to the edge of the van and peered my head round the corner to see if any cyclists coming to be faced by a roaring machine who was actually on the fffing pavement so he could squeeze through... and he shouted at me!! the tosspot. ..................
Yep, a bit like navigating Bangkok, but what does that have to do with anything? Next time take his reg number and speak to the police rather than moan here.
[cite]Posted By: DJ Davey Dave[/cite]I'd vote for Ken if only he'd make it easier for more black and Asian men and Women to become Licensed Taxi drivers.
[cite]Posted By: BlackForestReds[/cite]Yep, a bit like navigating Bangkok, but what does that have to do with anything? Next time take his reg number and speak to the police rather than moan here.
You've missed B's point here BFR..Its got nothing to do with the act and more to do with the attitude toward your fellow man that has become more and more apparent over recent years.
If you sorted out your quoting fella it would make your post easier to read and therefore understand.
The way you post it is difficult to see what is your words and others.
You can't see the FOREST from the trees!
Or perhaps it was the decision to take away tax breaks for first time buyers whilst bringing a tax break for high earners to sink money into the buy-to-let and "holiday home" market......
don't really give a damn about cycling / driving issues to be honest, there all minor points in my list of things. What is important to me though is the safety of myself, family and friends and who can honestly say London and the suburbs are a safer place than they were 5 years ago ? The alarming rise in gang culture, and gun and knife incidents simply isn't being addressed enough and is spreading like wildfire.
I don't blame the mayor for this, but anyone who makes the most effort to promote measures that make our streets safer is likely to get my vote.
[cite]Posted By: InspectorSands[/cite]Hold on a mo - it's only in the past decade buses have allowed pushchairs on unfolded anyway. Possibly some rose-tinted glasses there...
You're right, upto the changes for the DDA in 2000, all public transport needed to be accesable for disabled people, so you have low floor buses, with an area for wheelchairs.
There not low floor buses with room for prams, and if the wheelchair area is full, the pram needs to be folded.
[cite]Posted By: AFKA Bartram[/cite]don't really give a damn about cycling / driving issues to be honest, there all minor points in my list of things. What is important to me though is the safety of myself, family and friends and who can honestly say London and the suburbs are a safer place than they were 5 years ago ? The alarming rise in gang culture, and gun and knife incidents simply isn't being addressed enough and is spreading like wildfire.
I don't blame the mayor for this, but anyone who makes the most effort to promote measures that make our streets safer is likely to get my vote.
Is there a massive increase in gang, gun and knife crime in Bexley, or is it the same old problem of boozed up kids in Base shoes glassing each other on the Broadway?
[cite]Posted By: DJ Davey Dave[/cite]Len Glover!!! Where are you????
Don't live in London so have no vote. I avoid visiting it though as the congestion charge makes it too expensive and having been charged £4 to travel ONE STOP on the tube it is no surprise to me that people are reluctant to use public transport either.
I've met Garry Bushell a few times and he is a much nicer person than his public persona would suggest.
[cite]Posted By: Charlton Charlie[/cite]Christ on a bike (probably, he wouldn't use a car would he?)
BFR, I may sound like an old woman and I'm sorry that my views don't conform with yours (hang on, are you Ken Livingston?), but honestly, you don't know me, you know nothing about me so
If you sorted out your quoting fella it would make your post easier to read and therefore understand.
The way you post it is difficult to see what is your words and others.
You can't see the FOREST from the trees!
If you hit the BBCode button rather than the text button you get a clearer quote.
[cite]Posted By: Charlton Charlie[/cite]Christ on a bike (probably, he wouldn't use a car would he?)
BFR, I may sound like an old woman and I'm sorry that my views don't conform with yours (hang on, are you Ken Livingston?), but honestly, you don't know me, you know nothing about me so
Yes, the same as it has also spread from your traditional inner London areas into Lewisham, Greenwich and Bromley.
Lewisham and Greenwich are both inner London borough.
Bromley isn't although bits of it aren't very nice. I heard that in parts of Bromley some families only have one car and can't afford a cleaner. What is Ken going to do about that?
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And this still stands.
This is a forum that primarily wants to be Charlton-based, light-hearted but occassional goes off at a tangent. It aims to hopefully foster a good spiriti amongst fans, and bring people together. How many of you have already people off here that you now class as mates ?
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Doesn't make you sad Smudge and agree with you that as long as it doesn't get personal then the freedom of speech should prevail...........Unless you're a Millsmall fan
[cite]Posted By: AFKA Bartram[/cite]tell that to the lad stabbed to death in Beckenham a fortnight ago...
On the border with the blue borough, Lewisham but I was being flippant when maybe I shouldn't have been.
[cite]Posted By: AFKA Bartram[/cite]
Its not the place to call fellow posters twats and to go f*ck themselves. If that makes me sad etc i don't care, we said from the beginning its not what we want this place to be about. If you can't debate non-football items without getting into a row with someone who has an opposite view to view, please stick to the football threads or don't post at all.
PC gone mad, blah, blah, blah, freedom of speech blah blah blah, My human rights blah, blah blah.
Sorry, in a silly mood today and feel unable to contribute my usual patronising nonsense to these debates.
[quote][cite]Posted By: AFKA Bartram[/cite]don't really give a damn about cycling / driving issues to be honest, there all minor points in my list of things. What is important to me though is the safety of myself, family and friends and who can honestly say London and the suburbs are a safer place than they were 5 years ago ? The alarming rise in gang culture, and gun and knife incidents simply isn't being addressed enough and is spreading like wildfire.
I don't blame the mayor for this, but anyone who makes the most effort to promote measures that make our streets safer is likely to get my vote.[/quote]
Apparently there are now 10,000 more police in London than there were before KL became Mayor.
I don't think there is any easy answer to reducing crime, especially violent crime, because there are many factors to take into consideration, the break down in families, lack of educational opportunities, availability of drugs, poor role modelling by peer group figures, a growth in consumerism and avarice and a society that doesn't take the aspirations of its citizens seriously, but that is another topic for debate. I don't think there is much that a debate about the merits of either Ken Livingstone or Boris Johnson can really achieve, except turn the question into an emotive issue and that won't solve or answer the underlying issues.
whilst i can;t stand Ken and his pandering to terrorists actions and other sections of London that is not london I do concede he is doing a good job this time around -
I couldn't vote for that Johnson he is an out and out clown of the highest order and is so far detached from reality it is untrue.
[cite]Posted By: AFKA Bartram[/cite]Time for a 'guys' message.
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And this still stands.
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The problem is that London has been ill-served by our political leaders for generations, Londoners pay on average more tax per capita than they receive back in benefits and effectively subsidise the nation as a whole.
The disastrous abolition of the GLC, the subsequent lack of co-ordination in city planning, the sale of council housing, cuts in health and education have all created a mess in London that are going to take a generation to clear up. Now the argument is about putting those wrongs to right. I see no point in electing Boris Johnson who'll just be a gimmick candidate, the Tory party know that they have to field someone reasonably senior (who has name/face recognition) to show that they are taking this election seriously. But unlike being an MP in Henley he's not running on behalf of a party but as a candidate tied to a party and he's going to have to demonstrate that he's in control of his brief. Whether you like/dislike KL he he has a solid record of campaigning for London going back nearly three decades since the GLC days and hasn't done a bad job. I wonder though what Boris Jognson has ever done for London - has he ever campaigned to keep open a local hospital or school or gotten involved in anything in the community, or even done anything to reach out of his class and do something for people who wouldn't normally vote Conservative? He missed a vote in the House of Commons on the London Crossrail legislation and when the dust settles merely saying I live in London, I'm not Ken Livingstone and I appear on have I got News For You and I play up to the stereotype as upper class twit of the year isn't going to be enough.
Boris Johnson is though perfect for the Tories, but will be a disaster for London and I don't think he really wants to win. That would mean giving up his nice safe job as an MP, and all the speaking tours/journalism he does (he earnt £400k last year in those alone), plus all his other media work. In return though he'll get a nice office in a nice reasonably new building and a fancy title, but little power with it and will have to sit in interminably boring meetings discussing bendy buses, litter collection and transport policy. He'll be bored out of his mind at actually having to do a job and will miss all the other stuff, plus I doubt he'll find anyone on the GLA payroll worth shagging. So this is a win-win situation for him and the Tories, it gives him some more media coverage, shows that the Tory party are serious about the election when they and we all know that neither Boris Johnson or the Tory party really want the job or think that they'll win and best of all we get in Ken Livingstone a mayor who does appear to think the job is worth doing and who hasn't done badly so far, and if that pisses off the scibes at the sub Standard then it's an added bonus.
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Sure but it's not worth writing a longer and more articulate response, if I did it'd only fall on deaf ears.
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i got shouted at by a motorcyclist yesterday. My crime was to cross over in front of a stationery van, i got to the edge of the van and peered my head round the corner to see if any cyclists coming to be faced by a roaring machine who was actually on the fffing pavement so he could squeeze through... and he shouted at me!! the tosspot.
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Yep, a bit like navigating Bangkok, but what does that have to do with anything? Next time take his reg number and speak to the police rather than moan here.
Sarcastic? Moi? Never!
You've missed B's point here BFR..Its got nothing to do with the act and more to do with the attitude toward your fellow man that has become more and more apparent over recent years.
London isn't the place it was once
If you sorted out your quoting fella it would make your post easier to read and therefore understand.
The way you post it is difficult to see what is your words and others.
You can't see the FOREST from the trees!
I don't blame the mayor for this, but anyone who makes the most effort to promote measures that make our streets safer is likely to get my vote.
You're right, upto the changes for the DDA in 2000, all public transport needed to be accesable for disabled people, so you have low floor buses, with an area for wheelchairs.
There not low floor buses with room for prams, and if the wheelchair area is full, the pram needs to be folded.
Is there a massive increase in gang, gun and knife crime in Bexley, or is it the same old problem of boozed up kids in Base shoes glassing each other on the Broadway?
Don't live in London so have no vote. I avoid visiting it though as the congestion charge makes it too expensive and having been charged £4 to travel ONE STOP on the tube it is no surprise to me that people are reluctant to use public transport either.
I've met Garry Bushell a few times and he is a much nicer person than his public persona would suggest.
If I had a vote I'd vote Bushell.
If you hit the BBCode button rather than the text button you get a clearer quote.
Get thee to netaddicks Satan:-)
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And this still stands.
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neee naw indeed
On the border with the blue borough, Lewisham but I was being flippant when maybe I shouldn't have been.
PC gone mad, blah, blah, blah, freedom of speech blah blah blah, My human rights blah, blah blah.
Sorry, in a silly mood today and feel unable to contribute my usual patronising nonsense to these debates.
Go and buy some gold : - )
And BTW did that guy I e-mailed you about get in touch re:work?
I don't blame the mayor for this, but anyone who makes the most effort to promote measures that make our streets safer is likely to get my vote.[/quote]
Apparently there are now 10,000 more police in London than there were before KL became Mayor.
I don't think there is any easy answer to reducing crime, especially violent crime, because there are many factors to take into consideration, the break down in families, lack of educational opportunities, availability of drugs, poor role modelling by peer group figures, a growth in consumerism and avarice and a society that doesn't take the aspirations of its citizens seriously, but that is another topic for debate. I don't think there is much that a debate about the merits of either Ken Livingstone or Boris Johnson can really achieve, except turn the question into an emotive issue and that won't solve or answer the underlying issues.
I couldn't vote for that Johnson he is an out and out clown of the highest order and is so far detached from reality it is untrue.
No he didnt
The disastrous abolition of the GLC, the subsequent lack of co-ordination in city planning, the sale of council housing, cuts in health and education have all created a mess in London that are going to take a generation to clear up. Now the argument is about putting those wrongs to right. I see no point in electing Boris Johnson who'll just be a gimmick candidate, the Tory party know that they have to field someone reasonably senior (who has name/face recognition) to show that they are taking this election seriously. But unlike being an MP in Henley he's not running on behalf of a party but as a candidate tied to a party and he's going to have to demonstrate that he's in control of his brief. Whether you like/dislike KL he he has a solid record of campaigning for London going back nearly three decades since the GLC days and hasn't done a bad job. I wonder though what Boris Jognson has ever done for London - has he ever campaigned to keep open a local hospital or school or gotten involved in anything in the community, or even done anything to reach out of his class and do something for people who wouldn't normally vote Conservative? He missed a vote in the House of Commons on the London Crossrail legislation and when the dust settles merely saying I live in London, I'm not Ken Livingstone and I appear on have I got News For You and I play up to the stereotype as upper class twit of the year isn't going to be enough.
Boris Johnson is though perfect for the Tories, but will be a disaster for London and I don't think he really wants to win. That would mean giving up his nice safe job as an MP, and all the speaking tours/journalism he does (he earnt £400k last year in those alone), plus all his other media work. In return though he'll get a nice office in a nice reasonably new building and a fancy title, but little power with it and will have to sit in interminably boring meetings discussing bendy buses, litter collection and transport policy. He'll be bored out of his mind at actually having to do a job and will miss all the other stuff, plus I doubt he'll find anyone on the GLA payroll worth shagging. So this is a win-win situation for him and the Tories, it gives him some more media coverage, shows that the Tory party are serious about the election when they and we all know that neither Boris Johnson or the Tory party really want the job or think that they'll win and best of all we get in Ken Livingstone a mayor who does appear to think the job is worth doing and who hasn't done badly so far, and if that pisses off the scibes at the sub Standard then it's an added bonus.