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Tbf we dont know the extent of the issue or how serious the fail was or what our side are thinking maybe on a big reduction of wages they see it as worth the risk for the quality they see in him 🤷🏻♂️Croydon said:
Completely agree. I can't remember us ever signing someone after they've failed a medical beforemendonca said:I wouldn't be impressed at all if we get Solomon-Otabor after his medical issues. We are/were moving away from these kind of transfers.0 -
There was mention of it before, I think in a Diego Poyet thread.Maccn05 said:
Very disrespectful!… how do you know he’s just extremely dedicated to his passion?Dazzler21 said:
Yep... No doubt he's been sticking himself with the juicy fruit.Braziliance said:Why feel the need to knock him down with your negativity
Dont shoot the messenger I’m just trying to give context.1 -
Left back would be an interesting one , however if it's a PL loanee and not say Conor Oglivie I'd be surprised if it was done this week. Most of the players we'd be targeting will probably be playing first team friendlies whilst the players from the Euros are still away.0
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I have seen Ogilvie mentioned by a few on here with good reviews never seen him myself is he an upgrade on purrington or getting someone like maatsen back ...?0
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Unlike most passions bodybuilding has a fairly simple limit of how often you can train, progress beyond a certain speed means either juice, SARMs, or both.Maccn05 said:
Very disrespectful!… how do you know he’s just extremely dedicated to his passion?Dazzler21 said:
Yep... No doubt he's been sticking himself with the juicy fruit.Braziliance said:Why feel the need to knock him down with your negativity7 -
I’ve heard that Poyet is incoming to fill a (very large) hole in the midfield. What he now lacks in speed he makes up for in shoulder to shoulder challenges.3
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It's not disrespectful, steroids aren't seen as cheating in bodybuilding. It's actually harder to find a 'tested' bodybuilding competition, than it is an untested one. As a former competitive bodybuilder and gym manager - trust me, everyone is on something.Maccn05 said:
Very disrespectful!… how do you know he’s just extremely dedicated to his passion?Dazzler21 said:
Yep... No doubt he's been sticking himself with the juicy fruit.Braziliance said:Why feel the need to knock him down with your negativity8 -
Have you tried breathing through your nose?addick1956 said:
If they are good enough they are old enough and you agree with that , what point am I missing.Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:
You missed my point completely (quelle surprise). Whatever.addick1956 said:
The owner is not the point . The class of the player is. I didn't go into the whole list through the ages. Rufus could be added for a start. Leaburn too along with several others like Solly, Grant.Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:
I would just point out that apart from the last 3 and Konch, all the names mentioned played in an era when clubs did not operate with a large squad with 2 players for every position.addick1956 said:
Concerning players being too young.
These players were put in the first team as 16, 17 or 18 year old. One of them managed the team recently. Another made his debut for another team at 15 and was sold to Charlton for a then reputed record for a teenager for £17,500.
Eddie Firmani 18 1951
Stuart Leary 18 1951
Brian Kinsey 19 1957 I think
Keith Peacock 18 1964
Lenny Glover 19 1962
Alan Campbell 17 1965
Paul Elliot 18 1980 (his debut was a nightmare, but after that
Paul Walsh 18 1981
Paul Konchesky 17 1996
Graham Tutt 17 1974
Joe Gomez 17 2015
Ezrri Konsa 17 2016
Anfernee Djiksteel 18 2016
There are many others . The point is all these had good careers from an early age and didn't go I the team as a stop gap. Many were defenders. None were loaned out either before the debut and few were at all and many were sold for a handsome profit or stayed years at Charlton
The maxim was, ' If you are good enough, yo are old enough '.
If Nigel goes that way at Charlton he won't be the first at this club. Perhaps it is sensible .
Barker may have gone backwards because he thinks he should be a 1st team player now 🤔
In the case of Charlton, as the owner was reluctant to ever spend any money on players, it was often a case of needs must when chucking in a promising kid.
Pele was 17 and a World Cup Winner.
George Best was 17. I suppose they wouldn't hack it today either.
Of course, as a general rule of thumb, if they are good enough they are old enough.
When I was 18 I played 2 sometimes 3 games a weekend if required when Charlton were away. I was very fit . Just not at a standard required to be professional but played against blokes 7-15 years older than me and a couple of ex professionals. By saying these guys are not fit enough as some have is not true. Not canny or synical enough maybe. I disagree with you completely. It is a forum. Not a gladiatorial ring.
By the way stick you 'quelled surprise ' where the sun doesn't shine.2 -
Because I have followed his Instagram since he left us and know that he is both extremely dedicated and did not gain the amount of muscle he did in the time he did naturally...Maccn05 said:
Very disrespectful!… how do you know he’s just extremely dedicated to his passion?Dazzler21 said:
Yep... No doubt he's been sticking himself with the juicy fruit.Braziliance said:Why feel the need to knock him down with your negativity
Not relevant to this thread though and I shouldn't have detracted it by responding to Brazilliance's comment.2 -
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May even compete with AkinfenwaKiwiValley said:I’ve heard that Poyet is incoming to fill a (very large) hole in the midfield. What he now lacks in speed he makes up for in shoulder to shoulder challenges.
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Not quite mate, I am a gymhead, I go 5 times a week at least, my close friends are frequent gym goers & the ones who increase in size like that in that time frame, unless pure genetics/luck are on enhancers. Two of my friends are and are very open about it and do not care at all, been tempted myself at times to get a shape I want. That gif I posted although a meme is very accurate, you don't believe all these hollywood stars who fluctuate their size and weight, wrestlers and some fighters are all natural do you? It's not offensive and if it is to someone it's probably cause they are and it's a touchy subject.Maccn05 said:
Very disrespectful!… how do you know he’s just extremely dedicated to his passion?Dazzler21 said:
Yep... No doubt he's been sticking himself with the juicy fruit.Braziliance said:Why feel the need to knock him down with your negativity
Just a good player mate, Gills fans rate him very highly, got championship clubs looking at him, can play as a left back or left centre back, good attacking stats last season, believe he had best interceptions or most blocks in L1 last season? (something defensive) and a he's bit of a unit, would be an upgrade on Purrington and Maatsen I imagine. So we probably won't get him haha.CharltontillidieCOYR said:I have seen Ogilvie mentioned by a few on here with good reviews never seen him myself is he an upgrade on purrington or getting someone like maatsen back ...?4 -
"The second-annual WBF championship would be held in Long Beach on June 13, 1992. Amid a steroid scandal impacting the WWF, the WBF introduced drug testing in March 1992—which resulted in many of the competitors being relatively out-of-shape during the ensuing competition"Croydon said:
It's not disrespectful, steroids aren't seen as cheating in bodybuilding. It's actually harder to find a 'tested' bodybuilding competition, than it is an untested one. As a former competitive bodybuilder and gym manager - trust me, everyone is on something.Maccn05 said:
Very disrespectful!… how do you know he’s just extremely dedicated to his passion?Dazzler21 said:
Yep... No doubt he's been sticking himself with the juicy fruit.Braziliance said:Why feel the need to knock him down with your negativity
It nearly killed two companies why by not testing, the other by testing. Testing killed the WBF.1 -
Never knew the World Bridge Foundation had such scandal.Cafc43v3r said:
"The second-annual WBF championship would be held in Long Beach on June 13, 1992. Amid a steroid scandal impacting the WWF, the WBF introduced drug testing in March 1992—which resulted in many of the competitors being relatively out-of-shape during the ensuing competition"Croydon said:
It's not disrespectful, steroids aren't seen as cheating in bodybuilding. It's actually harder to find a 'tested' bodybuilding competition, than it is an untested one. As a former competitive bodybuilder and gym manager - trust me, everyone is on something.Maccn05 said:
Very disrespectful!… how do you know he’s just extremely dedicated to his passion?Dazzler21 said:
Yep... No doubt he's been sticking himself with the juicy fruit.Braziliance said:Why feel the need to knock him down with your negativity
It nearly killed two companies why by not testing, the other by testing. Testing killed the WBF.5 -
I believe a lot (as in nearly all) of the actors who have to bulk up for superhero roles do use "chemical assistance" shall we say. Obviously the likes of Disney etc are not going to be advertising that fact but it's a fairly open secret.Croydon said:
It's not disrespectful, steroids aren't seen as cheating in bodybuilding. It's actually harder to find a 'tested' bodybuilding competition, than it is an untested one. As a former competitive bodybuilder and gym manager - trust me, everyone is on something.Maccn05 said:
Very disrespectful!… how do you know he’s just extremely dedicated to his passion?Dazzler21 said:
Yep... No doubt he's been sticking himself with the juicy fruit.Braziliance said:Why feel the need to knock him down with your negativity0 -
Currently 4 pages back. If there are no rumours by the time I get to this post I’ll be fuming.
Edit: as you were.25 -
Diego’s fall from football grace will always remain a mystery to me.12
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The 1991 Bridge championDazzler21 said:
Never knew the World Bridge Foundation had such scandal.Cafc43v3r said:
"The second-annual WBF championship would be held in Long Beach on June 13, 1992. Amid a steroid scandal impacting the WWF, the WBF introduced drug testing in March 1992—which resulted in many of the competitors being relatively out-of-shape during the ensuing competition"Croydon said:
It's not disrespectful, steroids aren't seen as cheating in bodybuilding. It's actually harder to find a 'tested' bodybuilding competition, than it is an untested one. As a former competitive bodybuilder and gym manager - trust me, everyone is on something.Maccn05 said:
Very disrespectful!… how do you know he’s just extremely dedicated to his passion?Dazzler21 said:
Yep... No doubt he's been sticking himself with the juicy fruit.Braziliance said:Why feel the need to knock him down with your negativity
It nearly killed two companies why by not testing, the other by testing. Testing killed the WBF.
All 100% natural, honest gov.6 -
There’s plenty evidence in those pictures.ShootersHillGuru said:Diego’s fall from football grace will always remain a mystery to me.0 -
Depends what the issue is. Different sports, but I’ve seen players in the US fail a medical, but then get signed under a different contract than the one they were initially offered.mendonca said:I wouldn't be impressed at all if we get Solomon-Otabor after his medical issues. We are/were moving away from these kind of transfers.They may see an issue that means they won’t give a long term deal, but would sign him for a year, or a low base salary with payments for playing.0 -
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Maybe he just fell out of love with the game and never got his mojo back after a meteoric rise into the men’s game. His old man must be loaded hard footsteps to follow in and will never go hungry. He’s not the first SHG and I very much doubt will be the last.ShootersHillGuru said:Diego’s fall from football grace will always remain a mystery to me.2 -
Big schooladdick1956 said:
His old man preferred he learnt his trade at Charlton. Wonder why Diego stopped listening.RedChaser said:
Maybe he just fell out of love with the game and never got his mojo back after a meteoric rise into the men’s game. His old man must be loaded hard footsteps to follow in and will never go hungry. He’s not the first SHG and I very much doubt will be the last.ShootersHillGuru said:Diego’s fall from football grace will always remain a mystery to me.1 -
This is true - Gus wanted him to stay to the club and learn his craft but it seems his head was turned by either an agent or by the money on offer.addick1956 said:
His old man preferred he learnt his trade at Charlton. Wonder why Diego stopped listening.RedChaser said:
Maybe he just fell out of love with the game and never got his mojo back after a meteoric rise into the men’s game. His old man must be loaded hard footsteps to follow in and will never go hungry. He’s not the first SHG and I very much doubt will be the last.ShootersHillGuru said:Diego’s fall from football grace will always remain a mystery to me.
Diego is entirely different to many young footballers in that he didn't have a family reliant on his success. Many young footballers are seen as a meal-ticket for their family and that added pressure keeps them striving (or not in many cases if the pressure is too much) to succeed however Gus, and in turn Diego, won't ever need to worry about money again so i suspect this can make it very hard for players to maintain their desire.
I'd guess he took up going to the gym to pass the time and has now got to where he is from that and it's his life. I doubt we'll see him flogging Herbalife any time soon. He could probably live off his West Ham earnings et alone tap into his trust fund from daddy
Good luck to him though. He's played at the highest level, he has travelled and is now doing something he clearly enjoys and seems to have no worries. I'd say he's living the dream18 -
Dazzler - add Diego Poyet is on steroids to the ITK list please, think you can stick it straight in the green tbh!12
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Is that an official rumour @Dazzler21 needs to know about, or have I got hold of the wrong end of the stick, so to speakKBslittlesis said:
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Is there not a dedicated Diego Poyet thread? I honestly couldnt give a shit if he was fat, thin or the hulk....14
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I’m not going to claim to be an expert on the subject but I know people who are who have achieved great things clean.Braziliance said:
Not quite mate, I am a gymhead, I go 5 times a week at least, my close friends are frequent gym goers & the ones who increase in size like that in that time frame, unless pure genetics/luck are on enhancers. Two of my friends are and are very open about it and do not care at all, been tempted myself at times to get a shape I want. That gif I posted although a meme is very accurate, you don't believe all these hollywood stars who fluctuate their size and weight, wrestlers and some fighters are all natural do you? It's not offensive and if it is to someone it's probably cause they are and it's a touchy subject.Maccn05 said:
Very disrespectful!… how do you know he’s just extremely dedicated to his passion?Dazzler21 said:
Yep... No doubt he's been sticking himself with the juicy fruit.Braziliance said:Why feel the need to knock him down with your negativity
Just a good player mate, Gills fans rate him very highly, got championship clubs looking at him, can play as a left back or left centre back, good attacking stats last season, believe he had best interceptions or most blocks in L1 last season? (something defensive) and a he's bit of a unit, would be an upgrade on Purrington and Maatsen I imagine. So we probably won't get him haha.CharltontillidieCOYR said:I have seen Ogilvie mentioned by a few on here with good reviews never seen him myself is he an upgrade on purrington or getting someone like maatsen back ...?
I guess I take it as a guy who’s already excelled in one sport may have the mentality, ability and dedication to achieve great things in another?
I didn’t like Dazzlers throw away comment knocking a guy’s achievement that he doesn’t even know. I guess I try to see a positive rather than him dissing him - people constantly putting people down is a massive issue in today’s society IMO.
If I’m wrong I stand corrected as I say I don’t have the technical knowledge on the subject 👍🏼0 -
You continue to surprise me with the shite you post.addick1956 said:
If they are good enough they are old enough and you agree with that , what point am I missing.Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:
You missed my point completely (quelle surprise). Whatever.addick1956 said:
The owner is not the point . The class of the player is. I didn't go into the whole list through the ages. Rufus could be added for a start. Leaburn too along with several others like Solly, Grant.Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:
I would just point out that apart from the last 3 and Konch, all the names mentioned played in an era when clubs did not operate with a large squad with 2 players for every position.addick1956 said:
Concerning players being too young.
These players were put in the first team as 16, 17 or 18 year old. One of them managed the team recently. Another made his debut for another team at 15 and was sold to Charlton for a then reputed record for a teenager for £17,500.
Eddie Firmani 18 1951
Stuart Leary 18 1951
Brian Kinsey 19 1957 I think
Keith Peacock 18 1964
Lenny Glover 19 1962
Alan Campbell 17 1965
Paul Elliot 18 1980 (his debut was a nightmare, but after that
Paul Walsh 18 1981
Paul Konchesky 17 1996
Graham Tutt 17 1974
Joe Gomez 17 2015
Ezrri Konsa 17 2016
Anfernee Djiksteel 18 2016
There are many others . The point is all these had good careers from an early age and didn't go I the team as a stop gap. Many were defenders. None were loaned out either before the debut and few were at all and many were sold for a handsome profit or stayed years at Charlton
The maxim was, ' If you are good enough, yo are old enough '.
If Nigel goes that way at Charlton he won't be the first at this club. Perhaps it is sensible .
Barker may have gone backwards because he thinks he should be a 1st team player now 🤔
In the case of Charlton, as the owner was reluctant to ever spend any money on players, it was often a case of needs must when chucking in a promising kid.
Pele was 17 and a World Cup Winner.
George Best was 17. I suppose they wouldn't hack it today either.
Of course, as a general rule of thumb, if they are good enough they are old enough.
When I was 18 I played 2 sometimes 3 games a weekend if required when Charlton were away. I was very fit . Just not at a standard required to be professional but played against blokes 7-15 years older than me and a couple of ex professionals. By saying these guys are not fit enough as some have is not true. Not canny or synical enough maybe. I disagree with you completely. It is a forum. Not a gladiatorial ring.
By the way stick you 'quelled surprise ' where the sun doesn't shine.10 -
While on the Rumours thread, what's everybody having for lunch today?4
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Think there’s some Wensleydale in the fridge but might just be a rumour0
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