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Rumours Rumours - Summer 2021 edition (Deadline Day from p814)
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Sleepy hollow or great excitement guaranteed with this thread. Either way never dull.0
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Didn’t we pay for Gilbey and/or Washington under the last umbongo?Henry Irving said:
So secret we signed Clare for a feeCloudworm said:
I'm starting to think we might be under another secret transfer umbongo...
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Why would we be under an embargo? You've seen the recent accounts and the fact embargos are now public. Or is it as simple as not signing >6 players by now = means to create harmful gossip!5
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No doubt we’ll have a few options for each position so I’m not worried we won’t get anyone. Just hope we can avoid the Smith/Smyth/Levitt type loans that weren’t quite up to it.JamesSeed said:I know loans are often confirmed at the last minute, but I’m assuming the club will know that specific loans are likely, barring last minute interest from ‘bigger’ clubs?
So if we know it’s probable we’ll be getting excellent loanees at left back and CB, then the club are less likely to be signing ones, which would leave fans feeling we’re weak in those areas right up to the last minute.That’s a dangerous game if things don’t work out the way you hoped.2 -
Thought they were both freeCloudworm said:
Didn’t we pay for Gilbey and/or Washington under the last umbongo?Henry Irving said:
So secret we signed Clare for a feeCloudworm said:
I'm starting to think we might be under another secret transfer umbongo...0 -
We’re not under an umbongo. I’m just saying, it’s a bit slow, isn’t it? Would like to have done a bit more business by now so they get a good pre-season together.mendonca said:Why would we be under an embargo? You've seen the recent accounts and the fact embargos are now public. Or is it as simple as not signing >6 players by now = means to create harmful gossip!
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Both for small feesRedhenry said:
Thought they were both freeCloudworm said:
Didn’t we pay for Gilbey and/or Washington under the last umbongo?Henry Irving said:
So secret we signed Clare for a feeCloudworm said:
I'm starting to think we might be under another secret transfer umbongo...6 -
Both were undisclosed feesRedhenry said:
Thought they were both freeCloudworm said:
Didn’t we pay for Gilbey and/or Washington under the last umbongo?Henry Irving said:
So secret we signed Clare for a feeCloudworm said:
I'm starting to think we might be under another secret transfer umbongo...4 -
Posted in here as well as squad list because it’ll be seen by more.How we kicked off 20/21:
Amos
Barker, Oshilaja, Pratley, Purrington
Gilbey, Lapslie, JFC
Doughty, Bonne, Washington
Vs
How we will currently kick off 21/22:
McGillivray
Matthews, Innis, Famewo, Purrington
Gilbey, Dobson, Clare
Jaiyesimi, Stockley, Washington
Matched up player for player I make it this seasons team wins 6-2 with 3 being the same.
And we’ve not even finished business yet, things are better, relax people.
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So would every club … but you can’t force players and agents to make their minds up … our business as been excellent compared to others in league one .. lot of money spent despite the loses the club had to cope with … over all very decent window so far and more to come before SeptemberCloudworm said:
We’re not under an umbongo. I’m just saying, it’s a bit slow, isn’t it? Would like to have done a bit more business by now so they get a good pre-season together.mendonca said:Why would we be under an embargo? You've seen the recent accounts and the fact embargos are now public. Or is it as simple as not signing >6 players by now = means to create harmful gossip!
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Really? I mean don't get me wrong, I'm not demanding we spend millions, and there's plenty of quality players available out there for free, but we've still not spent much. Only paid for Clare and Stockley, I can't imagine it's more than 500k up front with a few add ons.RonnieMoore said:
So would every club … but you can’t force players and agents to make their minds up … our business as been excellent compared to others in league one .. lot of money spent despite the loses the club had to cope with … over all very decent window so far and more to come before SeptemberCloudworm said:
We’re not under an umbongo. I’m just saying, it’s a bit slow, isn’t it? Would like to have done a bit more business by now so they get a good pre-season together.mendonca said:Why would we be under an embargo? You've seen the recent accounts and the fact embargos are now public. Or is it as simple as not signing >6 players by now = means to create harmful gossip!
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cafcfan1990 said:
Washington was a small fee 150,000 Gilbey was around 300,000.. was mentioned at the timeRedhenry said:
Thought they were both freeCloudworm said:
Didn’t we pay for Gilbey and/or Washington under the last umbongo?Henry Irving said:
So secret we signed Clare for a feeCloudworm said:
I'm starting to think we might be under another secret transfer umbongo...1 -
Hmmm. Thought I remember at the end of April the club saying that being in the mix for the play offs was not helping our plans for the summer as we didnt know what league we might be in next season. That issue was all sorted on May 7th.Garrymanilow said:We’ve still got 4 loan spots to fill and those will come later in the window. I think we’re going to have an interesting deadline day, but the final squad will probably be put together pretty late3 -
Some of this "inside knowledge" is less accurate than what you hear down the local taxi and kebab rank!5
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That's because quoting footballers back to the 1950s is not relevant to today's game.addick1956 said:
I said that self same thing recently. I quoted ' If you are good enough, you are old enough '. I then listed a lot of players back to the 1950's to show how many were really successful.CafcSCP said:Gomes, konsa, Shelvey, lookman we’re all unknowns when we blooded them. Look where they are now.
if they’re good enough then get our youngsters in the team.
Theyre going to make some mistakes but perhaps Adkins is already seeing the promise.
All I got was mocking nonsense telling me I always talk rubbish.
Let us see if you get the same criticism.
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You're comparing apples & pears.BR7_addick said:Posted in here as well as squad list because it’ll be seen by more.How we kicked off 20/21:
Amos
Barker, Oshilaja, Pratley, Purrington
Gilbey, Lapslie, JFC
Doughty, Bonne, Washington
Vs
How we will currently kick off 21/22:
McGillivray
Matthews, Innis, Famewo, Purrington
Gilbey, Dobson, Clare
Jaiyesimi, Stockley, Washington
Matched up player for player I make it this seasons team wins 6-2 with 3 being the same.
And we’ve not even finished business yet, things are better, relax people.
Last season :
We had an owner trying to sell us to someone the EFL would not accept as "fit & proper"
We had been under a transfer embargo since Jan. Only players we could bring in were on a "like for like" wages basis
There was a wage cap.
This season:
We have an owner who is stable & has put in over £10m into the club
The owner says he wants Premier League status in 5 years
We are not under an embargo
There is no wage cap.
Apart from that your comparisons stack up well. I'm all for debate but at least get the facts right.
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It was also pointed out to him that whilst young players maybe good enough technically, they may struggle physically and mentally with the requirements of League One football over the course of a gruelling season. But like usual, he ignored that and played the victim instead.Oggy Red said:
That's because quoting footballers back to the 1950s is not relevant to today's game.addick1956 said:
I said that self same thing recently. I quoted ' If you are good enough, you are old enough '. I then listed a lot of players back to the 1950's to show how many were really successful.CafcSCP said:Gomes, konsa, Shelvey, lookman we’re all unknowns when we blooded them. Look where they are now.
if they’re good enough then get our youngsters in the team.
Theyre going to make some mistakes but perhaps Adkins is already seeing the promise.
All I got was mocking nonsense telling me I always talk rubbish.
Let us see if you get the same criticism.4 -
There were no fees paid for Gilbey and Washington
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I’m comparing charlton 20/21 with charlton 21/22, that’s apples and apples. My facts are right that is the team we started with last season, apart from perhaps you could debate the starting XI Adkins will go with. Either way this season we are much better.golfaddick said:
You're comparing apples & pears.BR7_addick said:Posted in here as well as squad list because it’ll be seen by more.How we kicked off 20/21:
Amos
Barker, Oshilaja, Pratley, Purrington
Gilbey, Lapslie, JFC
Doughty, Bonne, Washington
Vs
How we will currently kick off 21/22:
McGillivray
Matthews, Innis, Famewo, Purrington
Gilbey, Dobson, Clare
Jaiyesimi, Stockley, Washington
Matched up player for player I make it this seasons team wins 6-2 with 3 being the same.
And we’ve not even finished business yet, things are better, relax people.
Last season :
We had an owner trying to sell us to someone the EFL would not accept as "fit & proper"
We had been under a transfer embargo since Jan. Only players we could bring in were on a "like for like" wages basis
There was a wage cap.
This season:
We have an owner who is stable & has put in over £10m into the club
The owner says he wants Premier League status in 5 years
We are not under an embargo
There is no wage cap.
Apart from that your comparisons stack up well. I'm all for debate but at least get the facts right.
The fact we had shit owners then and good owners now is irrelevant to my point, which is that things are a lot better and that those is a state of panic such as yourself, should relax a bit.12 -
So you admit things are in fact better?golfaddick said:
You're comparing apples & pears.BR7_addick said:Posted in here as well as squad list because it’ll be seen by more.How we kicked off 20/21:
Amos
Barker, Oshilaja, Pratley, Purrington
Gilbey, Lapslie, JFC
Doughty, Bonne, Washington
Vs
How we will currently kick off 21/22:
McGillivray
Matthews, Innis, Famewo, Purrington
Gilbey, Dobson, Clare
Jaiyesimi, Stockley, Washington
Matched up player for player I make it this seasons team wins 6-2 with 3 being the same.
And we’ve not even finished business yet, things are better, relax people.
Last season :
We had an owner trying to sell us to someone the EFL would not accept as "fit & proper"
We had been under a transfer embargo since Jan. Only players we could bring in were on a "like for like" wages basis
There was a wage cap.
This season:
We have an owner who is stable & has put in over £10m into the club
The owner says he wants Premier League status in 5 years
We are not under an embargo
There is no wage cap.
Apart from that your comparisons stack up well. I'm all for debate but at least get the facts right.13 -
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From CAFC themselvesMattF said:There were no fees paid for Gilbey and Washington
The striker joins the Addicks for an undisclosed fee and in doing so becomes Lee Bowyer’s second signing of the summer transfer window following the arrival of Alex Gilbey on Wednesday.
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Kebab rank !!! Do you mean rank kebab ?mendonca said:Some of this "inside knowledge" is less accurate than what you hear down the local taxi and kebab rank!5 -
Charlton have signed MK Dons midfielder Alex Gilbey and Hearts striker Conor Washington for undisclosed fees.1
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No fee was disclosed can also mean no fee was transferred between clubs.RonnieMoore said:
From CAFC themselvesMattF said:There were no fees paid for Gilbey and Washington
The striker joins the Addicks for an undisclosed fee and in doing so becomes Lee Bowyer’s second signing of the summer transfer window following the arrival of Alex Gilbey on Wednesday.4 -
Couldn't a 'free' also be classed as undisclosed?10
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I’m assuming you didn’t read the post by cafc43v3r (I think), explaining why the market generally (not just Charlton related) is slow?Cloudworm said:
We’re not under an umbongo. I’m just saying, it’s a bit slow, isn’t it? Would like to have done a bit more business by now so they get a good pre-season together.mendonca said:Why would we be under an embargo? You've seen the recent accounts and the fact embargos are now public. Or is it as simple as not signing >6 players by now = means to create harmful gossip!
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My maths must be letting me down then, please subtract the Bonne and Purrington fees from the 275K Bowyer spent and let me know how much the combined fee for Washington and Gilbey was then?RonnieMoore said:
From CAFC themselvesMattF said:There were no fees paid for Gilbey and Washington
The striker joins the Addicks for an undisclosed fee and in doing so becomes Lee Bowyer’s second signing of the summer transfer window following the arrival of Alex Gilbey on Wednesday.
https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/too-good-to-refuse-lee-bowyer-tells-us-why-charlton-athletic-allowed-macauley-bonnes-qpr-move/
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The club also claimed they received a fee for Lepoint but he was on the FAs released list.RonnieMoore said:
From CAFC themselvesMattF said:There were no fees paid for Gilbey and Washington
The striker joins the Addicks for an undisclosed fee and in doing so becomes Lee Bowyer’s second signing of the summer transfer window following the arrival of Alex Gilbey on Wednesday.
I expect in this case Cawley is right and using the term undisclosed was agreed between the clubs despite us paying nothing. It doesn’t look good for the selling club it they admit to their fans they gave a decent player away for free.
I also really can’t see how either version of ESI were funding transfers at the time worth almost half a million (going off the figures you claimed to be be the fees).4 -
Why go to the effort of saying undisclosed fee if there's not fee at all?Dazzler21 said:
No fee was disclosed can also mean no fee was transferred between clubs.RonnieMoore said:
From CAFC themselvesMattF said:There were no fees paid for Gilbey and Washington
The striker joins the Addicks for an undisclosed fee and in doing so becomes Lee Bowyer’s second signing of the summer transfer window following the arrival of Alex Gilbey on Wednesday.
Transfermarkt usually have a '?' for undisclosed fees, Washington has '?' but Gilbey has £198k - they must have that figure from somewhere I'd assume.
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I'm not panicking......but I'm hoping that everyone agrees that we bloody well should be in a better position now than we were first game last season & so the lack of follow through from all the rhetoric that had been spouted from TS & NA is puzzling.BR7_addick said:
I’m comparing charlton 20/21 with charlton 21/22, that’s apples and apples. My facts are right that is the team we started with last season, apart from perhaps you could debate the starting XI Adkins will go with. Either way this season we are much better.golfaddick said:
You're comparing apples & pears.BR7_addick said:Posted in here as well as squad list because it’ll be seen by more.How we kicked off 20/21:
Amos
Barker, Oshilaja, Pratley, Purrington
Gilbey, Lapslie, JFC
Doughty, Bonne, Washington
Vs
How we will currently kick off 21/22:
McGillivray
Matthews, Innis, Famewo, Purrington
Gilbey, Dobson, Clare
Jaiyesimi, Stockley, Washington
Matched up player for player I make it this seasons team wins 6-2 with 3 being the same.
And we’ve not even finished business yet, things are better, relax people.
Last season :
We had an owner trying to sell us to someone the EFL would not accept as "fit & proper"
We had been under a transfer embargo since Jan. Only players we could bring in were on a "like for like" wages basis
There was a wage cap.
This season:
We have an owner who is stable & has put in over £10m into the club
The owner says he wants Premier League status in 5 years
We are not under an embargo
There is no wage cap.
Apart from that your comparisons stack up well. I'm all for debate but at least get the facts right.
The fact we had shit owners then and good owners now is irrelevant to my point, which is that things are a lot better and that those is a state of panic such as yourself, should relax a bit.
Remember, it's not us fans saying that we should "blow through this league" or " that will be us lifting the trophy next season"3
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