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https://giphy.com/gifs/yes-score-rmi45iyhIPuRGDansk_Red said:Saturdays PSF against Reading can be watched for free on Charlton TV.
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Which is why sometimes loans like that don't always work out. Gallagher did. Both Cullen & Beliek had been loaned out before so had some experience of lower league football. I dont mind having 2 or 3 loans as back ups but I wouldnt want to be signing an 18 year old rookie striker to take Aneke's place.Oggy Red said:
Maatsen was an 18 year old kid with no experience of men's football.nelsonsleftfoot said:Maatsen was a disappointment.
Problem is (it seems) that The Prem teams insist that their loanees play....or is at least on the bench.0 -
I’m sorry but if that’s evidence for ‘having a guess’ or ‘throwing shit at wall and seeing what sticks’ I don’t know what is.Dazzler21 said:
I thought you'd meant it'd already happened, I'll move it back to green if it does occur, but it seems to me like it's unlikely.flyingkiwiDK said:
How is my “Schwartz out. New Dane in” incorrect? Plenty of time yet for something to happen.Dazzler21 said:Have an update:
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Is this a contest to see who has the last word? If so maybe you could PM each other.Cafc43v3r said:
No one is arguing that!!!addick1956 said:
There are more. Lookman is another. I have never seen rocking horse shit and neither has anyone else.Cafc43v3r said:
You asked has the game changed since x happened. And I said no but x isn't an example that proved what you said it did.addick1956 said:
I also said Gomez and Konsa. Stop splitting hairs to try to prove a point Djiksteel was the last one in in the 16-20 range who I could remember. Stop looking for confirmation bias .Cafc43v3r said:
I chose Dijksteel because that's who you said. Yes 20 when he made his debut. Not 20 when he became our first choice right back. Which is what I said!!!!!!!!!!!addick1956 said:
In his 20's. That I a sweeping statement. He has been gone 2 years and he is only 24. He was 20 at the time of his debut. 22 when he left.Cafc43v3r said:
No but he was in his 20s and his 3rd year of men's football before he actually became our first choice right back. Bloode.addick1956 said:
Why are you asking such a stupid question. For a start it is extremely disingenuous and designed to try to pick on me. Nobody critisised others for the same view but because I extrapolated back to what you consider pre history it is irrelevant.ValleyGary said:
So you don’t think the games changed in the last 50-60 years?addick1956 said:
I included modern players and past players are relevant. Why do u think nothing counts unless you were around at the time.Oggy Red said:
That's because quoting footballers back to the 1950s is not relevant to today's game.addick1956 said:
I said that self same thing recently. I quoted ' If you are good enough, you are old enough '. I then listed a lot of players back to the 1950's to show how many were really successful.CafcSCP said:Gomes, konsa, Shelvey, lookman we’re all unknowns when we blooded them. Look where they are now.
if they’re good enough then get our youngsters in the team.
Theyre going to make some mistakes but perhaps Adkins is already seeing the promise.
All I got was mocking nonsense telling me I always talk rubbish.
Let us see if you get the same criticism.
Only a fool would think that.
The phrase was , "If you are good enough you are old enough.
Firmani in ' 51, Campbell and Reeves in '65, Paul Elliot and Paul Walsh in '81, Konchesky in '97 and Gomez plus Konsa and others in the last 5 years.
So what are you asking me. Has the game changed since Djiksteel was bloode in place of Solly.
Yes is the answer as the rules often change . But the phrase stands the test of time , a bit like your stupidity in this case
Strange you ignore Gomez and others bu choose Djiksteel to make a weak point. In his 20's. He was 20.
Why the fuck would I talk about Gomez when we used Dijksteel ousting Solly as an example.
Strange you ignored Bob Bolder to make no point what so ever. As usual.
Lots of people make their DEBUTS as teenagers. Very, very few people establish them selves as first team regulars as teenagers, even rarer in their first year as a pro. Players like Gomez and Bowyer, who not only establish themselves but are stand out players in their first season are like rocking horse shit. In the last generation they are probably the only 2 who have done it at Charlton. You could also make a case for Lookman.
The maxim is correct. If they are good enough they are old enough. That is true no matter how you try to ignore it.
Everyone agrees if your good enough you old enough. You have spouted so much nonsense you forgot what you even arguing.2 -
What like when City and Arsenal both insisted we play Matt Smith? JDS was often left out of the squad in his first spell.golfaddick said:
Which is why sometimes loans like that don't always work out. Gallagher did. Both Cullen & Beliek had been loaned out before so had some experience of lower league football. I dont mind having 2 or 3 loans as back ups but I wouldnt want to be signing an 18 year old rookie striker to take Aneke's place.Oggy Red said:
Maatsen was an 18 year old kid with no experience of men's football.nelsonsleftfoot said:Maatsen was a disappointment.
Problem is (it seems) that The Prem teams insist that their loanees play....or is at least on the bench.
It probably pisses them off but I am not convinced it's an actual thing.
If you take an older player it's often more expensive if they don't play.0 -
I know that arsenal do a thing when they loan a player out where you pay a loan fee at the end of the loan and the more the player played during the loan the smaller the loan fee becomes.21
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This is something CL made up.golfaddick said:
Problem is (it seems) that The Prem teams insist that their loanees play....or is at least on the bench.Oggy Red said:
Maatsen was an 18 year old kid with no experience of men's football.nelsonsleftfoot said:Maatsen was a disappointment.1 -
The accounts covering last season will make grim reading thenCovered_End_Lad said:I know that arsenal do a thing when they loan a player out where you pay a loan fee at the end of the loan and the more the player played during the loan the smaller the loan fee becomes.5 -
It's nothing new, this is from 2016. Liverpool and Chelsea are strong in this area. Ever 'onest LB did mention once when being suave with his words that it would be cheaper to play Maatsen than rest him. Incidentally, his first rest coincided with a suspension I think.
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-insisting-playing-clause-loan-11641458The Echo understands that the Reds now insist on a “75 per cent” clause for all of their loaned players, whereby clubs are penalised financially if a player they have loaned does not play in a specified ratio of matches.
The clause is designed to ensure that all players unable to get first team football at Anfield will benefit by gaining valuable first team experience elsewhere.
Football League rules prevent clubs from demanding that loaned players start matches, so the Reds have shrewdly introduced financial penalties into their loan agreements punishing clubs who fail to meet their specified appearance criteria.
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A long drawn out game of poker who would have thought it.......MattF said:5 -
wise words0
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Matt Smith must've cost a fortune.Covered_End_Lad said:I know that arsenal do a thing when they loan a player out where you pay a loan fee at the end of the loan and the more the player played during the loan the smaller the loan fee becomes.
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We all know it’s Young Fish that Costa FortuneExiled_Addick said:
Matt Smith must've cost a fortune.Covered_End_Lad said:I know that arsenal do a thing when they loan a player out where you pay a loan fee at the end of the loan and the more the player played during the loan the smaller the loan fee becomes.11 -
Two diff people have now texted me tonight saying that LB and Winger/striker set to sign in conjunction with kit release ….. ????17
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I assume that's rather by luck then judgement. Imagine players missing out on an important pre-season game just so they could be revealed with the release of the new kit.RonnieMoore said:Two diff people have now texted me tonight saying that LB and Winger/striker set to sign in conjunction with kit release ….. ????
Especially when they did the photos for it today.6 -
RonnieMoore said:Two diff people have now texted me tonight saying that LB and Winger/striker set to sign in conjunction with kit release ….. ????
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Hasn't Bowyer moved on a bit....ill get me coat!5
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Hopefully they're at least able to come to the Select Car Leasing Stadium to watch the rest of the squad vs Reading if that's the case...RonnieMoore said:Two diff people have now texted me tonight saying that LB and Winger/striker set to sign in conjunction with kit release ….. ????2 -
Maybe Edwards has to play for Reading on Saturday before we reveal him as our signing on Monday 😉FishCostaFortune said:
I assume that's rather by luck then judgement. Imagine players missing out on an important pre-season game just so they could be revealed with the release of the new kit.RonnieMoore said:Two diff people have now texted me tonight saying that LB and Winger/striker set to sign in conjunction with kit release ….. ????
Especially when they did the photos for it today.2 -
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Is that the two players you claimed Cawley had said we weren't interested in that you just read on another forum?RonnieMoore said:Two diff people have now texted me tonight saying that LB and Winger/striker set to sign in conjunction with kit release ….. ????
Cawley was talking about Edwards, as you well know, and Bamba is a center back and is 1000000% not signing for us. Your still peddling that nonsense about us replacing Pratley with Watson as well.
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If I had a pound for the amount of years I’ve heard “new signing in the new kit” I could have outbid ESI 10 fold in November 2020.17
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Lee Bowyer coming back?0
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They shot it today, Akin Famewo was one of the models.RonnieMoore said:Two diff people have now texted me tonight saying that LB and Winger/striker set to sign in conjunction with kit release ….. ????I can’t imagine we’d make signings and hold them back for a kit launch. I really can’t imagine the names/images of said signings wouldn’t leak before the kit launch.10 -
It's Bamba and Nathaniel Mendez-Laing obviouslyElliotCAFC said:
They shot it today, Akin Famewo was one of the models.RonnieMoore said:Two diff people have now texted me tonight saying that LB and Winger/striker set to sign in conjunction with kit release ….. ????I can’t imagine we’d make signings and hold them back for a kit launch. I really can’t imagine the names/images of said signings wouldn’t leak before the kit launch.0 -
Mullins and Purse surely4
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I reckon it will be Matt smith 1 (home kit) and Matt smith (2) away kit.10
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Your forgetting Julian Gray.Callumcafc said:Mullins and Purse surely0 -
Not sure if they’d hold back unveiling new players to put them in a new kit but might be plausible that we’ve got players lined up for tomorrow. Who knows!0
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