Norwich under Farke have to be the best example of a "yo yo" team
2018-19 Win Championship by 5 points scoring 93 goals in doing so 2019-20 Pick up just 21 points in the PL and finish 13 points behind the next placed team and scoring just 26 goals 2020-21 Win Championship by 6 points scoring 75 goals in doing so 2021-22 Already bottom in the PL. No wins, 2 points and just 2 goals scored (only the one in open play) from 6 games
One could argue that they are a very well run club but they would have received parachute payments for going down last time and have brought in more from sales (£58m for Buendia and Godfrey alone) in the last two seasons than they have paid out.
Their capacity is almost exactly the same as ours at 27K so it isn't the biggest but certainly isn't the smallest when compared to Bournemouth who were limited to just 11K.
Is there anything they can do to improve the situation as they have been too good for the Championship but not good enough for the PL. Burnley's capacity is 20K and they've managed to survive since coming back up again and not looked as out of depth as Norwich have
How much did they lose during Covid though?
But yes it's weird how you get a few teams who come up and do well, but they are rock bottom every season they're there. Seems they're just happy taking the PL money then a year of parachute payments then repeating.
Norwich under Farke have to be the best example of a "yo yo" team
2018-19 Win Championship by 5 points scoring 93 goals in doing so 2019-20 Pick up just 21 points in the PL and finish 13 points behind the next placed team and scoring just 26 goals 2020-21 Win Championship by 6 points scoring 75 goals in doing so 2021-22 Already bottom in the PL. No wins, 2 points and just 2 goals scored (only the one in open play) from 6 games
One could argue that they are a very well run club but they would have received parachute payments for going down last time and have brought in more from sales (£58m for Buendia and Godfrey alone) in the last two seasons than they have paid out.
Their capacity is almost exactly the same as ours at 27K so it isn't the biggest but certainly isn't the smallest when compared to Bournemouth who were limited to just 11K.
Is there anything they can do to improve the situation as they have been too good for the Championship but not good enough for the PL. Burnley's capacity is 20K and they've managed to survive since coming back up again and not looked as out of depth as Norwich have
How much did they lose during Covid though?
But yes it's weird how you get a few teams who come up and do well, but they are rock bottom every season they're there. Seems they're just happy taking the PL money then a year of parachute payments then repeating.
The difficulty is that it's not always possible to repeat. Take Pukki for example - 68 goals in 121 games of which 55 came in the Championship - should he want to leave he isn't going to be easily replaced as not too ,many strikers almost guarantee you 25 goals a season in the second tier.
Norwich under Farke have to be the best example of a "yo yo" team
2018-19 Win Championship by 5 points scoring 93 goals in doing so 2019-20 Pick up just 21 points in the PL and finish 13 points behind the next placed team and scoring just 26 goals 2020-21 Win Championship by 6 points scoring 75 goals in doing so 2021-22 Already bottom in the PL. No wins, 2 points and just 2 goals scored (only the one in open play) from 6 games
One could argue that they are a very well run club but they would have received parachute payments for going down last time and have brought in more from sales (£58m for Buendia and Godfrey alone) in the last two seasons than they have paid out.
Their capacity is almost exactly the same as ours at 27K so it isn't the biggest but certainly isn't the smallest when compared to Bournemouth who were limited to just 11K.
Is there anything they can do to improve the situation as they have been too good for the Championship but not good enough for the PL. Burnley's capacity is 20K and they've managed to survive since coming back up again and not looked as out of depth as Norwich have
How much did they lose during Covid though?
But yes it's weird how you get a few teams who come up and do well, but they are rock bottom every season they're there. Seems they're just happy taking the PL money then a year of parachute payments then repeating.
The difficulty is that it's not always possible to repeat. Take Pukki for example - 68 goals in 121 games of which 55 came in the Championship - should he want to leave he isn't going to be easily replaced as not too ,many strikers almost guarantee you 25 goals a season in the second tier.
Pukki and Mitrovic are both lethal at Championship level, and due to parachute payments both clubs can keep them after relegation from the PL to "ensure" promotion again
I imagine both players are pretty settled, and neither are going to attract interest from a really established PL side, so why move?
If YOU was Levy, would YOU have accepted £75m cash + add ons for Kane? Add ons of around £20m, based on games being played and trophies being won, including the CL.
Would you? Yes or No.
I doubt very much whether you would have accepted it. I hate Levy and ENIC with all my inner being but for once he was right in laughing that bid down.
I was happy for him to go with my blessing, I think 99.9% of Spurs fans would have accepted it tbh, as long as we got a proper fee for him. I'm fairly sure Levy would have let him go had a proper bid been made.
If Levy wasn't prepared to negotiate then he will never know what City were prepared to pay. The so called £75m plus add ons became irrelevant:
The Spurs boss flat out refused to negotiate with Manchester City and the club reportedly never knew what the north London club actually wanted if they were prepared to sell Kane.
City, by all accounts, were prepared to offer more and throw in a player exchange on top. There is, of course, another angle to this and that is what is the cost of not selling Kane. Well there's £300,000 per week in wages for a start. That's £15m per annum for a player looking anything but happy. Then there is the cost of Spurs failing yet again to get into the Champions League. Then there is his depreciation by virtue of his age and the reducing length of his contract. And instead of walking out after half an hour as they did yesterday, Spurs fans might not turn up at all. Reduced ticket sales and merchandise will affect them further.
Spurs have, of course, been here before. They spent the money received on Bale to purchase Fryers, Paulinho, Chadli, Soldado, Capoue, Eriksen, Lamela and Chirches - more than £100m. That season Leicester spent their entire budget of £560K on one player - Mahrez - ironically - who they subsequently sold for £60m to City. 28 months later they won the Premier League and by which time Spurs had already offloaded all bar two or three of those "kid in a sweet shop" signings.
So yes I would have rejected £75m plus add ons. But I would have accepted £100m up front plus say a decent player or two thrown in on top. Because at the moment Spurs have a player that doesn't want to be there. His body is still there but his mind is elsewhere. He wants to win something. And when was the last time Spurs under Levy did that? Perhaps Levy isn't the great negotiator he would like people to think he is. The phrase "value and price" spring to mind.
Ok. So we're agreed £75m + add ons was no where near enough.
I agree that £100m cash + someone like Laporte would have been ideal and I honestly think Levy would have accepted that but the Spurs ITK and respected journalist who knows more about Spurs than anyone, Ally Gold, confirmed it wasnt even an option and City were adamant fhat was their only bid and that was made only after they signed Grealish. Thats been confirmed by 6/7 different sources close to the boardroom.
I'd be first to throw Levy under a bus if he deserved it and for once, he doesnt.
Changing angle slightly but given you've talked about dwindling crowds etc - I'm not convinced ENIC care one iota about Spurs.
Put it this way, they've now got the state of the art stadium they craved. Do they need a successful team to fill it when they can attract the biggest rock bands, boxing bouts and a NFL London franchise?
Almost 70,000 paying punters on Sat night to see AJ. I'd love to know how much ENIC make per event and then how much of that gets directly spent on THFC. Of course, Covid has changed the landscaoe but even so.
I read the same thing. Levy refused to enter any kind of negotiation on Kane and the message was that he's under contract and a Spurs player. So I'm not quite understanding the line @JohnBoyUKyou're taking with defending Levy there. How can the price be the issue if he refused to even talk about the price?
If YOU was Levy, would YOU have accepted £75m cash + add ons for Kane? Add ons of around £20m, based on games being played and trophies being won, including the CL.
Would you? Yes or No.
I doubt very much whether you would have accepted it. I hate Levy and ENIC with all my inner being but for once he was right in laughing that bid down.
I was happy for him to go with my blessing, I think 99.9% of Spurs fans would have accepted it tbh, as long as we got a proper fee for him. I'm fairly sure Levy would have let him go had a proper bid been made.
If Levy wasn't prepared to negotiate then he will never know what City were prepared to pay. The so called £75m plus add ons became irrelevant:
The Spurs boss flat out refused to negotiate with Manchester City and the club reportedly never knew what the north London club actually wanted if they were prepared to sell Kane.
City, by all accounts, were prepared to offer more and throw in a player exchange on top. There is, of course, another angle to this and that is what is the cost of not selling Kane. Well there's £300,000 per week in wages for a start. That's £15m per annum for a player looking anything but happy. Then there is the cost of Spurs failing yet again to get into the Champions League. Then there is his depreciation by virtue of his age and the reducing length of his contract. And instead of walking out after half an hour as they did yesterday, Spurs fans might not turn up at all. Reduced ticket sales and merchandise will affect them further.
Spurs have, of course, been here before. They spent the money received on Bale to purchase Fryers, Paulinho, Chadli, Soldado, Capoue, Eriksen, Lamela and Chirches - more than £100m. That season Leicester spent their entire budget of £560K on one player - Mahrez - ironically - who they subsequently sold for £60m to City. 28 months later they won the Premier League and by which time Spurs had already offloaded all bar two or three of those "kid in a sweet shop" signings.
So yes I would have rejected £75m plus add ons. But I would have accepted £100m up front plus say a decent player or two thrown in on top. Because at the moment Spurs have a player that doesn't want to be there. His body is still there but his mind is elsewhere. He wants to win something. And when was the last time Spurs under Levy did that? Perhaps Levy isn't the great negotiator he would like people to think he is. The phrase "value and price" spring to mind.
Ok. So we're agreed £75m + add ons was no where near enough.
I agree that £100m cash + someone like Laporte would have been ideal and I honestly think Levy would have accepted that but the Spurs ITK and respected journalist who knows more about Spurs than anyone, Ally Gold, confirmed it wasnt even an option and City were adamant fhat was their only bid and that was made only after they signed Grealish. Thats been confirmed by 6/7 different sources close to the boardroom.
I'd be first to throw Levy under a bus if he deserved it and for once, he doesnt.
Changing angle slightly but given you've talked about dwindling crowds etc - I'm not convinced ENIC care one iota about Spurs.
Put it this way, they've now got the state of the art stadium they craved. Do they need a successful team to fill it when they can attract the biggest rock bands, boxing bouts and a NFL London franchise?
Almost 70,000 paying punters on Sat night to see AJ. I'd love to know how much ENIC make per event and then how much of that gets directly spent on THFC. Of course, Covid has changed the landscaoe but even so.
I read the same thing. Levy refused to enter any kind of negotiation on Kane and the message was that he's under contract and a Spurs player. So I'm not quite understanding the line @JohnBoyUKyou're taking with defending Levy there. How can the price be the issue if he refused to even talk about the price?
Every owner says that about their player until the price gets near to something they'd accept.
Obviously he's not going to talk about the price when their bid was a take it or leave it 75m + add ons. I'm sure if the bid was 125m + add ons he'd have taken a bit more notice.
If YOU was Levy, would YOU have accepted £75m cash + add ons for Kane? Add ons of around £20m, based on games being played and trophies being won, including the CL.
Would you? Yes or No.
I doubt very much whether you would have accepted it. I hate Levy and ENIC with all my inner being but for once he was right in laughing that bid down.
I was happy for him to go with my blessing, I think 99.9% of Spurs fans would have accepted it tbh, as long as we got a proper fee for him. I'm fairly sure Levy would have let him go had a proper bid been made.
If Levy wasn't prepared to negotiate then he will never know what City were prepared to pay. The so called £75m plus add ons became irrelevant:
The Spurs boss flat out refused to negotiate with Manchester City and the club reportedly never knew what the north London club actually wanted if they were prepared to sell Kane.
City, by all accounts, were prepared to offer more and throw in a player exchange on top. There is, of course, another angle to this and that is what is the cost of not selling Kane. Well there's £300,000 per week in wages for a start. That's £15m per annum for a player looking anything but happy. Then there is the cost of Spurs failing yet again to get into the Champions League. Then there is his depreciation by virtue of his age and the reducing length of his contract. And instead of walking out after half an hour as they did yesterday, Spurs fans might not turn up at all. Reduced ticket sales and merchandise will affect them further.
Spurs have, of course, been here before. They spent the money received on Bale to purchase Fryers, Paulinho, Chadli, Soldado, Capoue, Eriksen, Lamela and Chirches - more than £100m. That season Leicester spent their entire budget of £560K on one player - Mahrez - ironically - who they subsequently sold for £60m to City. 28 months later they won the Premier League and by which time Spurs had already offloaded all bar two or three of those "kid in a sweet shop" signings.
So yes I would have rejected £75m plus add ons. But I would have accepted £100m up front plus say a decent player or two thrown in on top. Because at the moment Spurs have a player that doesn't want to be there. His body is still there but his mind is elsewhere. He wants to win something. And when was the last time Spurs under Levy did that? Perhaps Levy isn't the great negotiator he would like people to think he is. The phrase "value and price" spring to mind.
Ok. So we're agreed £75m + add ons was no where near enough.
I agree that £100m cash + someone like Laporte would have been ideal and I honestly think Levy would have accepted that but the Spurs ITK and respected journalist who knows more about Spurs than anyone, Ally Gold, confirmed it wasnt even an option and City were adamant fhat was their only bid and that was made only after they signed Grealish. Thats been confirmed by 6/7 different sources close to the boardroom.
I'd be first to throw Levy under a bus if he deserved it and for once, he doesnt.
Changing angle slightly but given you've talked about dwindling crowds etc - I'm not convinced ENIC care one iota about Spurs.
Put it this way, they've now got the state of the art stadium they craved. Do they need a successful team to fill it when they can attract the biggest rock bands, boxing bouts and a NFL London franchise?
Almost 70,000 paying punters on Sat night to see AJ. I'd love to know how much ENIC make per event and then how much of that gets directly spent on THFC. Of course, Covid has changed the landscaoe but even so.
I read the same thing. Levy refused to enter any kind of negotiation on Kane and the message was that he's under contract and a Spurs player. So I'm not quite understanding the line @JohnBoyUKyou're taking with defending Levy there. How can the price be the issue if he refused to even talk about the price?
Every owner says that about their player until the price gets near to something they'd accept.
Obviously he's not going to talk about the price when their bid was a take it or leave it 75m + add ons. I'm sure if the bid was 125m + add ons he'd have taken a bit more notice.
Exactly that, Had they offered £125m + add ons (or a player) then Levy would have likely driven HK to Manchester himself, simple as that.
Every player at Spurs has a price. Thats how the model works. It has been operating self sufficiently for over 20 years of ENIC rule.
Last season Brighton dominated a fair few games but lacked that goalscorer to put the chances away. they made a striker their top priority in the summer and they’ve gone into this season with the same players up top. they’ve had a great start to the season but it’s only a matter of time before that lack of chance conversion up front starts costing them games
Now they’ve got 1 back, the commentator talked about the noise the Virgins make, but all it illustrates to me is how quiet they were when they were 2-0 down. I really don’t get why they get spoken about with such admiration.
Nice of sky to skip their normal advert slot just before kickoff to focus on yet another rendition of YNWA. Am I the only one who would prefer the adverts?
Nice of sky to skip their normal advert slot just before kickoff to focus on yet another rendition of YNWA. Am I the only one who would prefer the adverts?
Nice of sky to skip their normal advert slot just before kickoff to focus on yet another rendition of YNWA. Am I the only one who would prefer the adverts?
Any other time, I’d agree, but this one was in honour of Roger Hunt wasn’t it?
If we’re talking about things they do every week that are annoying, I find the way Martin Tyler says “it’s premier league football and it’s LLLIIIIIIIIVVVE” before the last adbreak infuriatingly lame.
Nice of sky to skip their normal advert slot just before kickoff to focus on yet another rendition of YNWA. Am I the only one who would prefer the adverts?
Any other time, I’d agree, but this one was in honour of Roger Hunt wasn’t it?
In the circumstances, I think it’s fair enough.
Fair point. Only qualm with that is do you think if a famous Leeds/England player passed away sky would let Leeds fans sing marching on together? Or Southampton’s rendition of When the Saints etc etc.
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I imagine both players are pretty settled, and neither are going to attract interest from a really established PL side, so why move?
Obviously he's not going to talk about the price when their bid was a take it or leave it 75m + add ons. I'm sure if the bid was 125m + add ons he'd have taken a bit more notice.
Every player at Spurs has a price. Thats how the model works. It has been operating self sufficiently for over 20 years of ENIC rule.
they made a striker their top priority in the summer and they’ve gone into this season with the same players up top.
they’ve had a great start to the season but it’s only a matter of time before that lack of chance conversion up front starts costing them games
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And now go one down.
Stripey pricks
Hahahaaaa! Have that, virgins.
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I really don’t get why they get spoken about with such admiration.