i thought it was pretty w*nky, particularly being sung at MK Dons during the week.
To me it’s something to be sung at the nadir or the season, 4-0 down away to some crap club when you’re 19th in the league in Feb and going nowhere.
Never in August.
Our fanbase has been through the mill more than others, The support for the majority of the game until they scored was fantastic. We are just ‘turning the other way’ too easily and quickly now though imo
I don't think anyone's suggesting people shouldn't vent their feelings but as the opening post so rightly observes, that particular chant should be reserved for mercenaries (like Marcus Bent) who didn't give a toss. All it will have done is make the new signings wonder what they've walked into and create a horrible atmosphere for players who ARE trying, where they become afraid to make a mistake. Counter-productive vitriol.
This chant should be used exclusively for roger johnson.
I hate the anger towards the side. Yes we are poor but I think that's not to lack of desire or effort. You only have to go back a few years to see that.
Charlton fans have never been particularly malicious towards their own team, not compared with other clubs, IMO.
I think we’ve built up so much tension and anger and despair over the last 15 years that when TS came in and spoke of “blowing the league away” this time we really thought out fortunes were going to turn.
Now let’s have it right, we don’t have a team four games in who are dominating and have been unlucky, it’s been very poor football and very poor results. You can claim “it’s only August” buts its bigger than that, as I said this has been building for a while.
I genuinely dread to think how this will pan out should we say, go bottom of the league or lose the next two etc, TS showing up will make it worse I’d bet. It’s getting toxic fast.
Reflective of the division in our fan base imo. There is a sizeable number of "entitled" people following us at the moment.
Micro analysing every comment the owner makes, constantly looking for someone to blame and ultimately throwing tantrums because the owner isn't spending his money in a way they see fit.
Said it before and I will say it again. Sandergaard has said he will be running a business and a successful business doesn't burn money it has no hope of recouping.
My view is that TS has been guilty of being a bit over excited and making some comments that he probably thought fans wanted to hear and would boost his profile.
TBF to him he is learning a new industry. I think we can forgive him the odd overstated soundbite.
He has a history of making a success of things - look at his main company. I suspect he will make a success of being a football chairman.
Those saying he has no money should consider 500k for Kirk, estimated 500k for Stockley, a fee for Clare, a decent signing on fee for the Keeper I would guess and ultimately the staff and players at the club aren't getting to the end of each month wondering whether they will be paid.
People need to accept that this is not going to be a case of instant success and will be a sustainable growth model.
I also suspect we will be in a far better position squad wise come the end of the window.
Think the reaction of the players was telling after the game...
Watched every one of the players at the final whistle and none appeared to stroll off as though they didnt give a shit.
Adam Matthews especially looked a defeated man on the centre circle
Nor had they played like a team that didnt give a shit; Tuesday's second half performance maybe... But it feels its becoming a generic excuse now if we fail to win, unfortunately there will be times where the other team happen to be the better side on the day, thats not the falt of the individuals out there.
Another day that Charlie Kirk goes an inch the right side of the post, rather than the wrong side
That would change the whole complexion of the game - Yes you could say that about the Wigan chances that they squandered, but those efforts were stopped thanks to our Goalkeeper who for the most part did his job yesterday, Amos was no where near Kirk's effort.
Beyond the self-entitled "I've paid my money, I can sing what I like" excuse, I'd like to know what purpose it serves. What possible good does anyone think will come of singing it?
The booing (Not so much the "fitness to wear the shirt" song), tells the media that we are not happy with the current situation. They've picked up on the dissent at the Valley and raised it in interviews with NA. It tells NA that we are not happy and that he needs to change things. It tells TS that we are not happy and that he need to fund NA.
All in all I think it serves a purpose, it creates pressure for something to happen. If we sat on our hands it would delay progress.
The only time I have ever sung it was, funny enough the only time I have sat in the North upper although I don't think the two are related. The Wycombe cup game, if you can call it a game.
That game was also memorable for a "super Alan Pardew" chant, sometimes you do have to be careful what you wish for.
Haha. Read the first post and all I could think was the one player who deserved this song above all others. Amdy Faye. Mainly for that game. Passing the ball off the pitch and just shrugging his shoulders.
i thought it was pretty w*nky, particularly being sung at MK Dons during the week.
To me it’s something to be sung at the nadir or the season, 4-0 down away to some crap club when you’re 19th in the league in Feb and going nowhere.
Never in August.
Our fanbase has been through the mill more than others, The support for the majority of the game until they scored was fantastic. We are just ‘turning the other way’ too easily and quickly now though imo
It was started at MK Dons by the same group of fans that had brought the drum and started 99% of the positive chants throughout the whole game. I was part of it and thought it was 100% deserved. The second half was abysmal and tactics inept.
You get praise, admiration and for some, worship like chants and songs when you’re a particular talent (Kermorgant/Jensen) or put in the shift and run through a wall for the club (Kishishev/Semedo/Johnny Robinson).
But you take the flip side when the chips are down. I don’t see an issue personally. Doesn’t mean I don’t see the argument against it, I just feel the fans are more than entitled to air their feelings about the team, just as long as it doesn’t get personal, and start singling out individuals.
Kishishev got pelters from a significant section of our support.
Beyond the self-entitled "I've paid my money, I can sing what I like" excuse, I'd like to know what purpose it serves. What possible good does anyone think will come of singing it?
Tbh I find it strange. I could understand if there had been silence all game and they then started. But the crowd was behind the team all game until Wigan scored. No gradual decline.
Tbh I find it strange. I could understand if there had been silence all game and they then started. But the crowd was behind the team all game until Wigan scored. No gradual decline.
Agree. Two large ladies 88 was when they turned. From the more laid back West stand, where some folk read books this season during the game; the sound of support from the Covered end was decent, and the Players were trying even though we never looked like scoring, and Craig MacGillivray, had kept the score level with some good reflex saves, I counted 5.
We have some top CL guys who watch from the upper North, how many joined in with the potty mouth rendition which must be so deflating for players who are struggling anyway. Is it the normal crowd dynamics where a couple of leaders dictate to the sheep ?
Tbh I find it strange. I could understand if there had been silence all game and they then started. But the crowd was behind the team all game until Wigan scored. No gradual decline.
Agree. Two large ladies 88 was when they turned. From the more laid back West stand, where some folk read books this season during the game; the sound of support from the Covered end was decent, and the Players were trying even though we never looked like scoring, and Craig MacGillivray, had kept the score level with some good reflex saves, I counted 5.
We have some top CL guys who watch from the upper North, how many joined in with the potty mouth rendition which must be so deflating for players who are struggling anyway. Is it the normal crowd dynamics where a couple of leaders dictate to the sheep ?
I werent there Saturday but at MK it was started by the 'leaders' who had started 99% of songs for the team. However there was anger from all around the away end.
i thought it was pretty w*nky, particularly being sung at MK Dons during the week.
To me it’s something to be sung at the nadir or the season, 4-0 down away to some crap club when you’re 19th in the league in Feb and going nowhere.
Never in August.
Our fanbase has been through the mill more than others, The support for the majority of the game until they scored was fantastic. We are just ‘turning the other way’ too easily and quickly now though imo
It was started at MK Dons by the same group of fans that had brought the drum and started 99% of the positive chants throughout the whole game. I was part of it and thought it was 100% deserved. The second half was abysmal and tactics inept.
that's not the fault of the players
you're not fit to pick the team is more accurate imho.
i thought it was pretty w*nky, particularly being sung at MK Dons during the week.
To me it’s something to be sung at the nadir or the season, 4-0 down away to some crap club when you’re 19th in the league in Feb and going nowhere.
Never in August.
Our fanbase has been through the mill more than others, The support for the majority of the game until they scored was fantastic. We are just ‘turning the other way’ too easily and quickly now though imo
It was started at MK Dons by the same group of fans that had brought the drum and started 99% of the positive chants throughout the whole game. I was part of it and thought it was 100% deserved. The second half was abysmal and tactics inept.
that's not the fault of the players
you're not fit to pick the team is more accurate imho.
It's both really. The players are not close to being good enough and the tactics compound this. We are never going to score goals like we concede as our striker has no pace or finishing ability with his feet. He wins so much in the air but has no one around him. Dobson and Clare are poor league 1 players. Morgan is out of position. Matthews and Gunter are not good enough and don't care. Innis looks poor to me this season and like cart horse. Washington is not a winger in a million years.
People are angry & pissed off, is it entitlement to have a team that has a chance of promotion in the third div? After we’ve been told ‘we would blow the league away’ and ‘we would do a hull’ we’re not even getting shots on target never mind goals. How are fans supposed to get the message over that they’re not happy? I didn’t sing it because I don’t think it helps, but I don’t think the thousands of people who did sing it are wrong. Then to tweet the fans to say we must support the team! Outside of CAFC “Dave” TS is being seen as a bit of idiot, the way things are going I’m starting to agree.
This reminds me of a visit to Selfridges and visiting the Armani section where I enquired about a shirt. He’s response was “its slim fit sir”! …I walked away trying to hold in my beer gut.
I would not get upset if the Selfridges Armani staff or the cupboard end started singing to me “You’re not slim fit to wear the shirt” but I would get embarrassed. ☺️
Tbh I find it strange. I could understand if there had been silence all game and they then started. But the crowd was behind the team all game until Wigan scored. No gradual decline.
Agree. Two large ladies 88 was when they turned. From the more laid back West stand, where some folk read books this season during the game; the sound of support from the Covered end was decent, and the Players were trying even though we never looked like scoring, and Craig MacGillivray, had kept the score level with some good reflex saves, I counted 5.
We have some top CL guys who watch from the upper North, how many joined in with the potty mouth rendition which must be so deflating for players who are struggling anyway. Is it the normal crowd dynamics where a couple of leaders dictate to the sheep ?
I werent there Saturday but at MK it was started by the 'leaders' who had started 99% of songs for the team. However there was anger from all around the away end.
Cheers CS, I guess I knew the answer having been to enough away games to have seen and heard the one second where support changes to venom normally after conceding a goal during a game and yelling abuse at the players when the game is finished. Normally the loudest with the support (leaders) are the ones who turn. Quid pro quo, in you get great support at times but dogs abuse at others. Not a good look 4 games in by the minority at the valley or 3 games in by some at MK Dons.
The MK Dons game was a game of two halves. First half good for the first 20 and last 10 minutes of that half but woeful and clueless in the second half. If it had been the other way round like the Wigan away game in 2019/20 season when Cafc were 2-0 down and useless 1st half but had a storming last 25 minutes or so, and at least created 4 half chances though they all went begging. Having a better 2nd half negates the worst of the chants.
Tbh I find it strange. I could understand if there had been silence all game and they then started. But the crowd was behind the team all game until Wigan scored. No gradual decline.
Agree. Two large ladies 88 was when they turned. From the more laid back West stand, where some folk read books this season during the game; the sound of support from the Covered end was decent, and the Players were trying even though we never looked like scoring, and Craig MacGillivray, had kept the score level with some good reflex saves, I counted 5.
We have some top CL guys who watch from the upper North, how many joined in with the potty mouth rendition which must be so deflating for players who are struggling anyway. Is it the normal crowd dynamics where a couple of leaders dictate to the sheep ?
I werent there Saturday but at MK it was started by the 'leaders' who had started 99% of songs for the team. However there was anger from all around the away end.
Cheers CS, I guess I knew the answer having been to enough away games to have seen and heard the one second where support changes to venom normally after conceding a goal during a game and yelling abuse at the players when the game is finished. Normally the loudest with the support (leaders) are the ones who turn. Quid pro quo, in you get great support at times but dogs abuse at others. Not a good look 4 games in by the minority at the valley or 3 games in by some at MK Dons.
The MK Dons game was a game of two halves. First half good for the first 20 and last 10 minutes of that half but woeful and clueless in the second half. If it had been the other way round like the Wigan away game in 2019/20 season when Cafc were 2-0 down and useless 1st half but had a storming last 25 minutes or so, and at least created 4 half chances though they all went begging. Having a better 2nd half negates the worst of the chants.
I understood it at MK more than I do the Wigan at home. MK are tiny and not even a proper club they are a franchise. They have no support from the fans and small attendance. Yet they sign Parrott and Eisa and Twinne which says it all about our investment in the squad to me. The players aren't good enough and that is what I guess is meant by the not fit to wear the shirt and not that they don't try. It was also a majority of who was left at MK. I think a lot of it is down to how shocked we all are at how fucking shit we really are in the 3rd tier of English football.
Beyond the self-entitled "I've paid my money, I can sing what I like" excuse, I'd like to know what purpose it serves. What possible good does anyone think will come of singing it?
The booing (Not so much the "fitness to wear the shirt" song), tells the media that we are not happy with the current situation. They've picked up on the dissent at the Valley and raised it in interviews with NA. It tells NA that we are not happy and that he needs to change things. It tells TS that we are not happy and that he need to fund NA.
All in all I think it serves a purpose, it creates pressure for something to happen. If we sat on our hands it would delay progress.
If the transfer window closes and we haven’t brought in enough players or the type of players that’s required, do you think the fans booing should then carry on like that for every game until transfer window opens again?
I disagree that booing in August can achieve anything positive, apart from allowing those fans to let off some frustration before heading home.
The performance might not have been great, but the chant was unfair. Especially as we were just ONE NIL down at time to a good team, and even though I had no expectation we would equalise, it could still have happened
Suppose we had scored to equalise, would the chants have changed back again?
Interesting that we can call segments of the fanbase entitled to the point where they chant this stuff. A lot of the younger support are prominent in starting the chants, and if they are in their late teens/early 20s they would have been very little kids or not even born in our last prem season. To them, our premier league years fall into this nebulous "good old days" era that they have no personal experience of. All they would have personally seen is a club bouncing between league 1 and the championship so you would think that would dampen any entitled feelings as to where they think Charlton should be.
This booing when Wigan scored and now a default at the end of a game whenever we lose is embarrassing. Singing ‘you’re not fit to wear the shirt’ is also embarrassing. There’s a time and a place for it. We all know that the team isn’t good enough and the manager has acknowledged that. Let’s see what happens between now and the end of the window… nothing is won or lost in 4 games
i thought it was pretty w*nky, particularly being sung at MK Dons during the week.
To me it’s something to be sung at the nadir or the season, 4-0 down away to some crap club when you’re 19th in the league in Feb and going nowhere.
Never in August.
Our fanbase has been through the mill more than others, The support for the majority of the game until they scored was fantastic. We are just ‘turning the other way’ too easily and quickly now though imo
It was started at MK Dons by the same group of fans that had brought the drum and started 99% of the positive chants throughout the whole game. I was part of it and thought it was 100% deserved. The second half was abysmal and tactics inept.
that's not the fault of the players
you're not fit to pick the team is more accurate imho.
It's both really. The players are not close to being good enough and the tactics compound this. We are never going to score goals like we concede as our striker has no pace or finishing ability with his feet. He wins so much in the air but has no one around him. Dobson and Clare are poor league 1 players. Morgan is out of position. Matthews and Gunter are not good enough and don't care. Innis looks poor to me this season and like cart horse. Washington is not a winger in a million years.
I wonder what percentage of goals are scored after a long ball to the a big fella upfront.
A galling chant. Despite the current frustration I don't think it's justified at the moment. Have only used it twice in over 40 years following the club - after the Wycombe cup defeat when we were a Prem club, and I said it to El-Hadji Ba in the car park after a pre-season friendly!
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i thought it was pretty w*nky, particularly being sung at MK Dons during the week.
I hate the anger towards the side. Yes we are poor but I think that's not to lack of desire or effort. You only have to go back a few years to see that.
Watched every one of the players at the final whistle and none appeared to stroll off as though they didnt give a shit.
Adam Matthews especially looked a defeated man on the centre circle
Nor had they played like a team that didnt give a shit; Tuesday's second half performance maybe... But it feels its becoming a generic excuse now if we fail to win, unfortunately there will be times where the other team happen to be the better side on the day, thats not the falt of the individuals out there.
Another day that Charlie Kirk goes an inch the right side of the post, rather than the wrong side
That would change the whole complexion of the game - Yes you could say that about the Wigan chances that they squandered, but those efforts were stopped thanks to our Goalkeeper who for the most part did his job yesterday, Amos was no where near Kirk's effort.
It tells NA that we are not happy and that he needs to change things.
It tells TS that we are not happy and that he need to fund NA.
All in all I think it serves a purpose, it creates pressure for something to happen. If we sat on our hands it would delay progress.
Almost as predictable as Charlton’s game plan.
Haha. Read the first post and all I could think was the one player who deserved this song above all others. Amdy Faye. Mainly for that game. Passing the ball off the pitch and just shrugging his shoulders.
Thought there were queues of people trying to get into Kabul airport?
I could understand if there had been silence all game and they then started.
But the crowd was behind the team all game until Wigan scored.
No gradual decline.
Agree.
Two large ladies 88 was when they turned.
From the more laid back West stand, where some folk read books this season during the game; the sound of support from the Covered end was decent, and the Players were trying even though we never looked like scoring, and Craig MacGillivray, had kept the score level with some good reflex saves, I counted 5.
We have some top CL guys who watch from the upper North, how many joined in with the potty mouth rendition which must be so deflating for players who are struggling anyway.
Is it the normal crowd dynamics where a couple of leaders dictate to the sheep ?
you're not fit to pick the team is more accurate imho.
I would not get upset if the Selfridges Armani staff or the cupboard end started singing to me “You’re not slim fit to wear the shirt” but I would get embarrassed. ☺️
Cheers CS, I guess I knew the answer having been to enough away games to have seen and heard the one second where support changes to venom normally after conceding a goal during a game and yelling abuse at the players when the game is finished. Normally the loudest with the support (leaders) are the ones who turn.
Quid pro quo, in you get great support at times but dogs abuse at others.
Not a good look 4 games in by the minority at the valley or 3 games in by some at MK Dons.
The MK Dons game was a game of two halves. First half good for the first 20 and last 10 minutes of that half but woeful and clueless in the second half. If it had been the other way round like the Wigan away game in 2019/20 season when Cafc were 2-0 down and useless 1st half but had a storming last 25 minutes or so, and at least created 4 half chances though they all went begging. Having a better 2nd half negates the worst of the chants.
Suppose we had scored to equalise, would the chants have changed back again?