Who would people have? Getting rid of Southgate would ruffle feathers amongst the squad, and then does the replacement have the man management skills to cope with that and not let their own ego get in the way.
I don't think there's anyone else you could bring in purely for the fact that we don't want to rock the boat of the culture in the squad.
I do think he'd benefit from an experienced head with him behind the scenes though.
Personally, I'd like to see a more positive manager, but Southgate did enough in the World Cup to keep his job, he did enough in the Euros and he has done enough in the qualifiers he has managed us in so it isn't going to happen. And whilst he isn't for me, nor should it until he starts underperforming like Hodgson who got chance after chance.
Who would people have? Getting rid of Southgate would ruffle feathers amongst the squad, and then does the replacement have the man management skills to cope with that and not let their own ego get in the way.
I don't think there's anyone else you could bring in purely for the fact that we don't want to rock the boat of the culture in the squad.
I do think he'd benefit from an experienced head with him behind the scenes though.
Yes I agree, Steve Holland is an amazing coach but maybe his advice isn’t experienced enough during a game.
But even then, who? The FA won’t employ a character in amongst that England setup.
Southgate has created a really good team, got a marine in for fitness, a rugby coach and many many more. He’s not everyone’s cup of tea, but the results speak for themselves.
We lose the Euro Final on penalties and concede a late equaliser tonight and people are calling out the manager? Talk about a sense of entitlement…
But this is what I mean about Southgate not making it easy for himself. I’m a staunch England supporter and will stick up for them all but two late subs right before the pens who both miss and then no subs and a tired last 5 mins tonight, people are gonna question the decision maker.
I’ve had my doubts about Southgate but his record speaks for itself. Got it wrong in the final but made plenty of decent calls getting us there. He is fortunate with the players and I hope he learns from past mistakes but sack him? Crazy talk
World cup semi and Euro final. Southgate has the shirt just like the 11 who started and finished the game tonight. Seems fair even if subs in last 10 minutes would have been useful in stopping Poland getting any momentum.
Bellingham will be a regular soon but at the moment, Phillips has the shirt and rightly so. Rice is just awesome and his relationship with Kelvin is so impressive. When Maguire or Stones have a run forward Rice goes CB and when Rice charges forward Phillips covers him.
Had a very brief look on Twitter, saw similar views to those in the summer. We apparently have a brilliant team who are a good manager away from winning a trophy. Southgate is an FA yes man and useless manager.
Other than Euro 96 the England I’ve seen have been a quarter finals side at best. Amazing how simple football is. Ignore all the good things Southgate has done, all we have to do is replace him we’ll do even better. Don’t consider the impact on the players who must feel like they’re really building something.
To not bring any subs on is odd but we saw in the summer we shouldn’t overreact to one or two games. No manager is going to win every qualifier comfortably and always make the right decisions in tournaments.
Who would people have? Getting rid of Southgate would ruffle feathers amongst the squad, and then does the replacement have the man management skills to cope with that and not let their own ego get in the way.
Who would people have? Getting rid of Southgate would ruffle feathers amongst the squad, and then does the replacement have the man management skills to cope with that and not let their own ego get in the way.
We are four points clear of Albania, five clear of Poland and six clear of Hungary. But they are all having to play each other and should take points off each other.
I would also be shocked if we don't round out the group stage with 4 wins from 4 against Andorra and San Marino away, Albania and Hungary at home. Three wins is enough, two wins and a draw should be fine too.
Next month's fixtures:
Andorra v England Hungary v Albania Poland v San Marino
Albania v Poland England v Hungary San Marino v Andorra
This England squad deserves a far better manager than Southgate. The only reason we do well is because of the sheer quality of our players.
Really hope the FA can tempt pep for the England job once he leaves city as he's said he wants to manage an international team and doubt it would ever be Spain with his Catalan allegiance.
As I said his results mean that he will not be under pressure and that is probably the right call. I support England whatever but I just think when it comes down to a tough game against a top team where the margins are fine and the result depends on making the right decision at the right time ( which top managers do ) his lack of nous will cost us. People saying about previous squads under performing that might be true but in 50 years of supporting England i have seen squads with a few class players and the rest average, this generation is proper right across the squad and should win tournaments for the next 10 years. Time will tell hopefully Southgate proves me wrong
Certainly this is the best squad depth I've ever seen in an England team and as a team the best since the Sven era, where we really should have done better, and potentially much better
Just watching Mount and Grealish effortlessly interchanging the ball was like watching a Spanish or Brazilian side, such was the touch both players had
Certainly this is the best squad depth I've ever seen in an England team and as a team the best since the Sven era, where we really should have done better, and potentially much better
Just watching Mount and Grealish effortlessly interchanging the ball was like watching a Spanish or Brazilian side, such was the touch both players had
Pretty much the exact words I said to CEJ during the game. It's like watching Brazil or Spain.
If we go 1-0 up in the World Cup final early on, would I feel confident we would win it under Southgate? Probably not.
If tonight was the 1st time management like this was called into question it would be fine. But Croatia, then Germany (if Muller would have scored that 1 on 1), Italy and now tonight. The same issue of going 1-0 up and then dropping back causing us problems.
Having read some of the comments on here, and various other forums it must be said that the England managers job is still very much 'the impossible job', as titled by Graham Taylor in the 90's.
Given the situation that Southgate took over (the debacle of the Iceland game in Euro 16 and the Sam Allardyce fiasco), to get England to the point where we have played a WC semi-final, a Euro final and to have pretty much qualified for the next WC with four games to play is a record that would have him lauded by most sane analysts of the game.
You are not going to win every game, so of course losing a last minute equaliser is disappointing, but it's football, it happens and the Poles are no mugs, so an away point that means they don't make up any ground on us is a good result.
Having now followed England since 1980, I am absolutely convinced that some fans still wouldn't be happy unless we won the WC, having come through a group involving the Dutch, Belgium and Uruguay, thrashed Brazil in the last 16, thumped Argentina in the quarters, caned Germany in the semi's before finally avenging the Italians in the final with a flogging that would still be felt by their Roman forefathers in the catecombs of Rome!!!
Even then I can still here the naysayers moaning into social media "Yeah but we didn't really play anyone!!!!"
For me, Rashford is in that Jermaine Defoe level. Will likely always be good enough to score goals at Premier League level as long as he wants to, but will never quite be ‘the main man’ in the league or for England.
Can’t quite put my finger on it. He’s missing something that makes him an intimidating striker.
Could even be something as little as the single penalty miss in the Euro 2020 final that is weighing on my mind. Top, top players just don’t miss those - and the moment he stepped up I wasn’t particularly filled with confidence.
What utter nonsense. Cristiano Ronaldo has missed around 15% of his penalties and Messi around 22%. Yes they've taken shit loads but penalties are not a foregone conclusion at all.
It would be harsh to cite Rashford's limitations as being as a result of the penalty miss. He wasn't good enough long before the Euros. We are in a fortunate position in that we have lots of very good players available for International selection..This was not necessarily the case a decade ago (although there was certainly world class players in that team) . Back then, Rashford would have been one of the first forwards names on the managers teamsheet. But now I'd say he's not THAT good when considering him or any of the other very good attacking options we have now.
If we go 1-0 up in the World Cup final early on, would I feel confident we would win it under Southgate? Probably not.
If tonight was the 1st time management like this was called into question it would be fine. But Croatia, then Germany (if Muller would have scored that 1 on 1), Italy and now tonight. The same issue of going 1-0 up and then dropping back causing us problems.
Yes, Southgate has done so well but killing a game off, poor substitution choices or NO substitutions and tactical naivety are things he will hopefully be addressing very soon. But he really surprised me. He has got this squad playing great attacking entertaining football and I'd take that over longball games and sneaking one nil wins. I want to be entertained. Southgate delivers..
Disappointing to concede at the end , but overall, happy with the point last night, hopefully will teach Gareth to be proactive in making subs, and also a wake up to the players going forward, thst you can’t just coast through matches, you’ve got to play till the final whistle, manage game time and see out matches, pretty basic stuff really.
I think Southgate shares a weakness with a lot of managers. You do your job and take the lead and then it isn't fair as the team you are beating has to go for it a bit more and take a risk or two. Quite often it means you have to respond and try to take advantage of the attacking opportunities this provides but a lot of managers carry on as they were or sit back.
Having said that, a draw in the context of the group was a very positive result. There is no way England won't qualify easily with a five point lead, forget about Albania, and four remaining games.
But this is an exciting England team which has displayed a weakness in major tournaments from a winning position. That absolutely has to be addressed by the manager going forwards.
We were literally a couple of penalty kicks away from beating a team in a final that hadn’t lost in over 30 matches / 3 years.
We couldn’t have been closer, and I don’t think many expected us to get anywhere near the final at the beginning of the tournament.
But even when we convincingly beat Germany, only after the game did the old tripe come out of “oh, well Germany aren’t that great anymore really”.
We absolutely destroyed a decent Hungary side away from home last week, is that all just forgotten now because we’ve drawn with Poland?
The bloke can’t win with some people.
There is a lot of OTT criticism, and people calling for him to go are mad, but his negative tactics cost us that final. You can't sit back and defend for over an hour and expect to get something out of it, and it showed he hasn't learned from the Croatia WC semi
We arguably had a better set of individual players under superb managers like Capello and failed to produce.
Southgate has got us to a world cup semi, lost euro final with last penalty and smashed the WC qualifiers to the point we're disappointed with a draw away against a good Polish side in a stadium where you could hear a pin drop when we scored.
Shows the level of expectation his achievements have delivered.
No one player in the side would be an easy shout for greatest English player in last 20 years in that position (in terms of club not England performance) yet he's got them firing and a force to be reckoned with.
Milea above the underachieving teams of past couple of decades.
Sum of all parts and Southgate is a big feature in that albeit he makes mistakes, is infallible and still learning.
Stick with him as the players seem to go through walls for him.
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I do think he'd benefit from an experienced head with him behind the scenes though.
Other than Euro 96 the England I’ve seen have been a quarter finals side at best. Amazing how simple football is. Ignore all the good things Southgate has done, all we have to do is replace him we’ll do even better. Don’t consider the impact on the players who must feel like they’re really building something.
To not bring any subs on is odd but we saw in the summer we shouldn’t overreact to one or two games. No manager is going to win every qualifier comfortably and always make the right decisions in tournaments.
I would also be shocked if we don't round out the group stage with 4 wins from 4 against Andorra and San Marino away, Albania and Hungary at home. Three wins is enough, two wins and a draw should be fine too.
Next month's fixtures:
Andorra v England
Hungary v Albania
Poland v San Marino
Albania v Poland
England v Hungary
San Marino v Andorra
No exceptions.
No vacancy now anyway.
Just watching Mount and Grealish effortlessly interchanging the ball was like watching a Spanish or Brazilian side, such was the touch both players had
It's like watching Brazil or Spain.
We couldn’t have been closer, and I don’t think many expected us to get anywhere near the final at the beginning of the tournament.
We absolutely destroyed a decent Hungary side away from home last week, is that all just forgotten now because we’ve drawn with Poland?
The bloke can’t win with some people.
If tonight was the 1st time management like this was called into question it would be fine. But Croatia, then Germany (if Muller would have scored that 1 on 1), Italy and now tonight. The same issue of going 1-0 up and then dropping back causing us problems.
Given the situation that Southgate took over (the debacle of the Iceland game in Euro 16 and the Sam Allardyce fiasco), to get England to the point where we have played a WC semi-final, a Euro final and to have pretty much qualified for the next WC with four games to play is a record that would have him lauded by most sane analysts of the game.
You are not going to win every game, so of course losing a last minute equaliser is disappointing, but it's football, it happens and the Poles are no mugs, so an away point that means they don't make up any ground on us is a good result.
Having now followed England since 1980, I am absolutely convinced that some fans still wouldn't be happy unless we won the WC, having come through a group involving the Dutch, Belgium and Uruguay, thrashed Brazil in the last 16, thumped Argentina in the quarters, caned Germany in the semi's before finally avenging the Italians in the final with a flogging that would still be felt by their Roman forefathers in the catecombs of Rome!!!
Even then I can still here the naysayers moaning into social media "Yeah but we didn't really play anyone!!!!"
Having said that, a draw in the context of the group was a very positive result. There is no way England won't qualify easily with a five point lead, forget about Albania, and four remaining games.
But this is an exciting England team which has displayed a weakness in major tournaments from a winning position. That absolutely has to be addressed by the manager going forwards.
Southgate has got us to a world cup semi, lost euro final with last penalty and smashed the WC qualifiers to the point we're disappointed with a draw away against a good Polish side in a stadium where you could hear a pin drop when we scored.
Shows the level of expectation his achievements have delivered.
No one player in the side would be an easy shout for greatest English player in last 20 years in that position (in terms of club not England performance) yet he's got them firing and a force to be reckoned with.
Milea above the underachieving teams of past couple of decades.
Sum of all parts and Southgate is a big feature in that albeit he makes mistakes, is infallible and still learning.
Stick with him as the players seem to go through walls for him.