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Post-Match Thread | Charlton Athletic v Cheltenham Town | 11/09/21
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We never seem to have enough players pressing their backs, and never have anyone to pass to when we have the ball. That’s very concerning.Scoham said:
It’s ridiculous we seem incapable of doing it ourselves and are unable to press teams in the way they press us.mendonca said:It was embarrassing when Cheltenham were passing in triangles between the back 3 and goalkeeper. They obviously felt zero threat in doing so.4 -
Yes been saying this from the beginning. Get your leader sorted out and the team can play for them. Stockley is someone who needs a captain he isn't one himself. Maybe a new leader will emerge. Managers know who the leaders are which is why NA surprised me in his choice here.Croydon said:
Sadly there isn't a single leader on the pitch in a Charlton shirt. Stockley may battle (though he didn't yesterday), but he's not a leader in the true sense of the word.cafctom said:Wasn’t at the game yesterday thankfully, but have seen a few comments about Stockley’s role as a captain.
Whatever anyone says about his supposed limitations, he is the sort of player who will typically battle hard against any side.
For those saying he shouldn’t be our captain, can you name someone out of this mediocre, tame lot who would be more suitable?I’ll wait.
Look at the personalities of our previous captains, then look at Stockley's. Miles apart.0 -
Watching Charlton these last 2 seasons my abiding memory will be Watson doing his frustration hand gesture as the opposition begin to celebrate their goal.1
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Too many players standing stillJamesSeed said:
We never seem to have enough players pressing their backs, and never have anyone to pass to when we have the ball. That’s very concerning.Scoham said:
It’s ridiculous we seem incapable of doing it ourselves and are unable to press teams in the way they press us.mendonca said:It was embarrassing when Cheltenham were passing in triangles between the back 3 and goalkeeper. They obviously felt zero threat in doing so.4 -
I said exactly the same thing when watching Lavelle. He looks like a cross between Chapple & Pearce!Southbank said:
Phil ChappellRaith_C_Chattonell said:Any other oldie reminded of big Dave Shipperly by the the awkward looking Lavelle?
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A ref wont book a keeper that early into the game (and I know we still had over 30 mins to play). It leaves him with nowhere to go if there is another misdemeanor. No ref is going to send a keeper off for 2 yellows that come from time wasting.Raith_C_Chattonell said:Side issue really, but I thought their keeper should've been booked.
The long winded approach from the ref, followed by an extra long verbal caution just added to our frustration and played somewhat into their hands. An early booking for time wasting sorts out all that old malarky.0 -
We're very easy and predictable to play against. Teams know they just need their CBs to match up and have a ruck with Stockley & when things are not working for him we tend to have very little else to offer.The Prince-e-Paul said:I thought during the first half, when there was a break in play for injury, all the players came over for a drink and Adkins was speaking to them individually (as were the backroom team) and it was as plain as anything, that to-a-man, they were ALL blaming someone else. What was clear was that they were not a unit and Adkins eluded to this in his post match critique. It was 11 individuals being slaughtered by a coherent unit of Cheltenham players who all knew their job and how it fitted in with the next.
Whilst watching the build up for their second I started to count the passes from the halfway line. As the ball hit the back of the net it was 8 I think and remarked to my dad, how easy it looked. I said at that point I'd swap our 11 for theirs in a heartbeat. The big problem right now, we are easy to beat and the whole league knows it.
Hopefully we go 2 up front and Leko changes that going forward....Cheltenham struggled alot with what he brought to the table 2nd half.1 -
I firmly believe that the players we signed after the season started were not on our lists before August.charltonbob said:
Crewe supporters said this when we signed him, for all the praise for him offensively we shouldn't expect him to track back, he just doesn't do it. Do we actually watch the players that we hope to sign ? Ok stupid question but if Crewe supporters can see it why can't our scouts ?Raith_C_Chattonell said:
Bowyer would have blown a gasket after that first half.Silverdreammachine said:To think some people slagged Lee Bowyer off, this Adkins is a joke!
The least he demanded was a work effort, that lot today with few exceptions were devoid of any spirit. I have to wonder about Kirk, I've not seen him pass anyone yet and as for tracking back or putting a tackle in forget it. As usual our midfield was toothless and gutless. I don't think Morgan and Watson can play in the same team.
Compare & contrast Dobson & Clare with Arter & Lee. Add in Kirk but I realise that we (supposedly) bid for him in January. But then if we did why didnt we sign him early on like Stockley & MacGillivray. I dont think Crewe caved in but we did due to panic.1 -
The question mark over Adkins was that while his record is good, his best success was quite a while ago.It used to be that successful managers could have 20 to 30 year long careers but tactics, fitness management, and man management did not change dramatically in that time.
These days the game seems to evolve much more quickly. There are a few exceptions out there but, at EFL level in particular, management seems to be increasingly a young man’s game. There is a worry that he is yesterday’s man.5 -
We are giving Kirk pelters for not producing what we expect from a "winger" but never saw Kirk as a traditional winger like say DJ. At Crewe he played on the wing linking up intelligently with mobile attackers with incisive short passing. He is not suited to receiving the ball with 3 defenders on him and no one moving to receive a pass. He'd be magic playing in Cheltenham's team.
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Teams all know that if you score first against us then that is usually job done. We might pull a goal back but not 2.
Anyone want to stick their necks out & predict when we will do the next Golfie ? I think I'll go back through last years matches to see how many it is since the last one.
What was it last time....32 games?0 -
Countdown to the “Has Adkins lost it thread” some people want a manager change after every loss. The rest of the bowyer outters are just saving face until they finally jump on board3
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cafctom said:Wasn’t at the game yesterday thankfully, but have seen a few comments about Stockley’s role as a captain.
Whatever anyone says about his supposed limitations, he is the sort of player who will typically battle hard against any side.
For those saying he shouldn’t be our captain, can you name someone out of this mediocre, tame lot who would be more suitable?I’ll wait.We had someone in our team yesterday who captained a team to promotion last season.3 -
I don't think 2 draws will be good enough, it might buy him a couple more games though.Airman Brown said:
No whispers, but if we don’t get at least a couple of points for these two games the noise calling for something to happen will be deafening.charltonbob said:
Educated guess Airman or are there whispers circulating ?Airman Brown said:I think if Adkins doesn’t get a win at Wycombe or Gillingham he’ll be on borrowed time.0 -
The ref should’ve booked their keeper, zero doubt about it. Stamp it out early and it won’t happen again. 6 minutes of added time. Really? 6 minutes for all the subs, trainers on and time wasting. Should’ve been 10. Wouldn’t have changed the result and we got what we deserved, but such a weak referee. It’s the league we’re in unfortunately.5
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Any points predictions for the next block of games?
- Wycombe- 0 pts
- Gills - 1pta
- Pompey - 0 pts
- Bolton - 0 pts
can’t see much else with our record against Evans0 -
God, what a depressing set of predictions, and IF it came to be accurate then I'm afraid Nige and his tenure at Charlton could be severed, his position would surely become very precarious, I couldn't see Thomas just sitting on his hands and letting things ride should your prediction ring true , can't afford to lose more than one of these games..Maccn05 said:Any points predictions for the next block of games?
- Wycombe- 0 pts
- Gills - 1pta
- Pompey - 0 pts
- Bolton - 0 pts
can’t see much else with our record against Evans1 -
Easy 8 points there... Not sure we'll collect all of them though. 😣😂0
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I just think Morgan and Watson can't play the kind of football that this pseudo-4-2-3-1/4-4-1-1 weird-ass system wants of them. Morgan has large weaknesses of defensive positional play, pressing and tackling. Meanwhile, Watson has obvious lack of energy/pace and, quite honestly, doesn't care about results either way. Everything revolves around both of them providing passing options for our defenders and making runs/space for our wide players. When they don't do their job, Famewo/Inniss/<insert defender> go hoofball. Not enough running from our midfielders and they make us look infinitely worse.
As I've already said, I'm not going to have as much bad to say about Kirk/DJ/Stockley when they all barely touched the ball in that first half. It's no coincidence that we look REALLY bad when we don't get them the ball. The system needs to fit the players we have and we have only looked OK vs a dire Crewe side that are likely to go down. Everyone else has run rings round us in midfield, and in the absence of our injured midfielders, a lot of players are looking poor in this system.
NA used the post-match interview to spew a lot of jargon to justify what he was doing, which is dual-purposed. Not only is he trying to justify to us, the fans, he is doing the right thing, this is also a clear message to TS that players let him down in that first half, in particular. I would ditch the 2 defensive midfielders and go with something like this next game:
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Matthews - Famewo - Elerewe/Pearce - Souare
DJ - Lee - Dobson - Kirk
Stockley - Leko
Watson can gtfo as far as I'm concerned. Morgan needs a step back. I think Lee and Dobson is the next best option until Arter and Gilbey come in.5 -
The next 4 games will be a big test - If NA doesn't change tactics things could turn toxic.0
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Could? Will be sooner than that if we carry on playing like we did in the first half.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:The next 4 games will be a big test - If NA doesn't change tactics things could turn toxic.4 -
He’s a bit new though. Maybe one for the future.Mametz said:cafctom said:Wasn’t at the game yesterday thankfully, but have seen a few comments about Stockley’s role as a captain.
Whatever anyone says about his supposed limitations, he is the sort of player who will typically battle hard against any side.
For those saying he shouldn’t be our captain, can you name someone out of this mediocre, tame lot who would be more suitable?I’ll wait.We had someone in our team yesterday who captained a team to promotion last season.Btw, I think Elerewe is probably going to be much better than Lavelle. Of course if he is we’ll only have him for a season and a half.1 -
Unfortunately, baring a miracle this season is over already. I back TS as he has spent money and the squad is very capable IMO.
HOWEVER, signings like Dobson and Clare leave me scratching my head, we haven’t got the right set up in the management and backroom staff at the top, and it shows.
All cleavage no tit this team.3 -
Agree that I think it’s too premature for Adkins to go. There’s 40 games left and that’s a lot of football, but if we carry on like this, I’m not giving him 2 seasons. We’d be on a crash course into the non league :-)Richard J said:I think that the Adkins Out noises are premature.My own view is that he needs two seasons before the axe should fall.I agree that in L1 a Play Off place is expected and I see last season's failure was Bowyer rather than Nige. Sacking him after ten games would be ridiculous.
I suspect that Jackson is being groomed to be his successor if Nigel did get dumped then an older head is more likely to be appointed.1 -
I was thinking exactly the same, why just because he's a fans favourite would you want JJ to manage us ? If he was to fail then we'd get people calling for Jason EuellCroydon said:I love Jackson as much as most, but why would we entrust him with the side when he can't even organise our set pieces?
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Don’t want Jackson anywhere near the manager job.
People wanted Bowyer out after results went downhill fast, under Adkins we’re even worse.
The one constant is Jackson. Lovely bloke, always be a hero but no thanks.5 -
A cocktail bar team?AdTheAddicK said:
If Cheltenham are a pub team, Christ knows what we are?Ferryman said:
But the bloke behind me was saying that Cheltenham were a pub team from the start, and continued that theme even when they were 2-0 up!stevexreeve said:I felt like I was watching a pub team from the 1960's playing a team from the 21st century!
Just lob it up to "Roy of the Rovers" Stockley and he'll beat the blighters and score some goals.
Incredible that any team of professional people can be so f**ing useless at their job!0 -
The next two weeks will be crucial.3
