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Post-Match Thread | Charlton Athletic v Cheltenham Town | 11/09/21
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I’m not so sure, I can see arguments for and against him but it’s not a forgone conclusion. Bowyer had a dog shit run because we had no centre backs for 3 months. Imagine this team now with Oshilaja and Pratley centre half we’d be rock bottom.Uboat said:Yes, it’s shit, but anyone suggesting that things would be better if Bowyer was still in charge needs psychiatric help.7 -
I’ll give Adkins a free swing of the bat today. New players etc etc. That’s it though. Squad isn’t a poor one in my opinion. It’s up to NA to get them performing.6
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Adkins is lucky that Paul Cook's disastrous start to the season at Ipswich is overshadowing our dismal start.2
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Cheltenham always play three at the back and overload in Midfield - They've been playing that for the majority of Mike Duff's managerial reign there since he took over in 2018 and realised after a few games that 4-4-2 wasnt working.RonnieMoore said:Cheltenham took a massive gamble playing 343 and it worked it overcrowded us in mid and we could not pass through them .. second half much much better and if DJ and Stockley take their chances in the first 10 mins there only one winner that’s us ….
It wasnt a gamble, they just approached the game they nearly always do
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/michael-duff/leistungsdatenDetail/trainer/55180
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Sounds like he's losing the plot in his interviews. Just rambling.killerandflash said:Adkins is lucky that Paul Cook's disastrous start to the season at Ipswich is overshadowing our dismal start.3 -
I PAID MONEY TO WATCH MY FUCKING TEAM LOSE AT HOME TO FUCKING CHELTENHAM13
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Unless Stockley moves out of the centre of the pitch channel we are going to have problems.Midfield was shocking today but we need him to move the CB’s to create space for quicker players. If he is getting no slack from the ref and being dominated by big CB’s then go and play on the right flank and either bully the RB or pull the Center backs apart to create space for others
he can’t play on the shoulder of the back four as he has no pace , but should be able to move them around .0 -
Haven't you heard from various people on here he is going to score 15/20 easily mate. Living in wonderland.Croydon said:Stockley isn't good enough to play as a lone striker. I'll be amazed if he makes double figures this season, with that system. He had an absolute stinker today.1 -
Michael Duff was on my personal shortlist of options to replace Bowyer in the spring... I’d have him back on that shortlist to replace Adkins if things don’t pick up over the next 6-8 games.
For all our shortcomings, I thought his side looked very well drilled and hungry. That will ensure that they stay well clear of the relegation places this season.7 -
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AgreedCallumcafc said:Michael Duff was on my personal shortlist of options to replace Bowyer in the spring... I’d have him back on that shortlist to replace Adkins if things don’t pick up over the next 6-8 games.
For all our shortcomings, I thought his side looked very well drilled and hungry. That will ensure that they stay well clear of the relegation places this season.
When a team with the fraction of our resources beats you with a well organised and executed plan, you take notice. They played some decent football at times too6 -
Depends if the people that make the big decisions remember him from his playing career but I wouldnt be at all surprised if his Managerial career replicates his player career, in which case I fully expect to see him as Sean Dyche's replacement at Burnley one day.Callumcafc said:Michael Duff was on my personal shortlist of options to replace Bowyer in the spring... I’d have him back on that shortlist to replace Adkins if things don’t pick up over the next 6-8 games.
For all our shortcomings, I thought his side looked very well drilled and hungry. That will ensure that they stay well clear of the relegation places this season.0 -
They played quick, incisive football through our midfield time and again. My general perception on the quality of league 1 football is changing for the better, shame it’s not us adding to that thought!🙄😬killerandflash said:
AgreedCallumcafc said:Michael Duff was on my personal shortlist of options to replace Bowyer in the spring... I’d have him back on that shortlist to replace Adkins if things don’t pick up over the next 6-8 games.
For all our shortcomings, I thought his side looked very well drilled and hungry. That will ensure that they stay well clear of the relegation places this season.
When a team with the fraction of our resources beats you with a well organised and executed plan, you take notice. They played some decent football at times too0 -
I've had a great week.
A close friend died unexpected on Thursday night. That really hit me. Today has just rounded things off.
But some of the comments on this thread have cheered me up. The penny seems to have dropped regarding the woeful Jaiyesimi.
And Adkins lack of tactical nous seems well and truly evident to most. The best example came immediately after we conceded the second goal. Watson had the ball in the centre circle ready to re-start, but Adkins gestured that he wanted a word.
The ever energy-conscious Watson decided to delegate the task to Jaiyesimi ... who obliging lumbered over to the touchline to receive The Gaffer's masterplan. A moment of chat ensued ... and then Jaiyesimi lumbered back over towards Watson. I held my breath in anticipation ... and Jaiyesimi simply did that two-handed 'encouragement' gesture ... you know, the one that conveys the "Come on, lads. We need to raise things" message.
Quite brilliant.
Adkins also used the same gesture in the last five minutes as we chased an imaginary equaliser ... and with similar results.
Tactical masterstroke.
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That's very worrying. Basically told the manager to fuck off then and did as they pleased.Chunes said:Adkins didn't derive positives. He was fuming. He said first half, the players did nothing they had worked on in training. Didn't follow defensive or attacking plans. Just played as a bunch of individuals.0 -
Clearly NA's bubbly BS doesn't work anymore, if it ever did. Neither does his hanging everything on Stockley. As Captain/leader/lone marksman etc
I would say he is none of these things.
This squad is perfectly capable of doing very well at this level. So who to blame?
Either NA is unable to make this team a successful reality or his talisman isn't. Perhaps both.
Why not, just for once Nigel, do things (that evidently don't work) differently? There are lots of goals in this squad now. But they look demotivated and I would be too under Mr Cheese. I also wonder beyond the results whether the likes of Roddy are necessary, or even an added problem.
I think this bad result well and truly begins the ticking of the goodbye Adkins clock. I hope it is silenced with a great result next week. But it could be that "NA" will soon return its original meaning Not Applicable.
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And then we were getting humped by Premiership clubs not Mk Dons, Oxford, Wigan and Cheltenham.shirty5 said:
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To be fair, I dont think he has signed any of these players.shirty5 said:Why sign Dobson and Clare if you believe in as a manager that Morgan and Watson are the answer. Dobson should have been on for one of the two at halftime.
Worst first half I have seen from a Charlton side in many years in the flesh. Second half papered over some large cracks.0 -
To be fair to Adkins, he has not had long to work with this squad in its entirety and he still doesn’t have all options available to him. He sounded very disappointed that the players were not applying what they had been coached on in training over the past fortnight. It’s possible that today will be a wake up call for a few of them. It can be a hazard when a club perceives itself to be at the wrong level - the whole place needs to remember that we are where we deserve to be, even if it’s because of poor management and ownership. Other teams in this division don’t care if we have a bigger stadium or more fans or more money they will
come and scrap it out with us the same as they would Accrington or Morcombe. You have to earn the right to play. Bowyer used to say it a
lot and he was right. This side is not doing that enough right now and I think a few players need to face up to fact that no matter how good they think they are they will have to graft game in game out to get results. The 2018/19 side had better players than this one but also scrapped better.
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Interesting. I thought he was part of a four man recruitment team with him, Roddy, Gallen and Sandgaard who decide on players coming inCardinal Sin said:
To be fair, I dont think he has signed any of these players.shirty5 said:Why sign Dobson and Clare if you believe in as a manager that Morgan and Watson are the answer. Dobson should have been on for one of the two at halftime.
Worst first half I have seen from a Charlton side in many years in the flesh. Second half papered over some large cracks.
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The post-match interview with NA is very telling - he takes responsibility for it, but he's saying the players let him down in that first half. I just watched the highlights on Sky Sports and Cheltenham had more chances that could have buried us completely. Could have easily been (more) embarrassing.
It must be frustrating to watch the players implode like they did in the first half, but this just suggests he needs to switch to another tactical system to work with the players we have. We expect better from this squad of players. NA is currently using the squad to play the same disjointed football and, for whatever reason, these players can't play the way he wants in matchday scenarios.
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From what Gallen told us this week, Adkins is on the receiving end of who the rest of them recruit.shirty5 said:
Interesting. I thought he was part of a four man recruitment team with him, Roddy, Gallen and Sandgaard who decide on players coming inCardinal Sin said:
To be fair, I dont think he has signed any of these players.shirty5 said:Why sign Dobson and Clare if you believe in as a manager that Morgan and Watson are the answer. Dobson should have been on for one of the two at halftime.
Worst first half I have seen from a Charlton side in many years in the flesh. Second half papered over some large cracks.0 -
Only positives I can take from today's game is the pleasingness of an alliterative fixture, that the weather was nice and that I wasn't mug enough to splash out £500 on a parking space for a motorbike. Everything else was cack. Time to wheel out the old Charlton Life Razorblade again.
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Had 3 pints and a lovely lunch in the Bull in Woolwich before game. I recommend it. No mad queues like in the Oak etc and you are reassuringly anaesthetised to the dross we are witnessing.5
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I haven’t read any of the comments but today feels the lowest point watching Charlton on the field since I first went in 69.1
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Have I woken up and travelled back in time, Lee really needs to sort this mess out or we will get relegated, and I cant face League one again…8
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Totally agree with this.Croydon said:Also not a fan of Stockley as captain. He doesn't come across as a leader, and you can see him moaning at players. Seemed an odd choice at the time, and the more I see him with the armband, the more my view is reinforced.2
