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Post-Match Thread | Charlton Athletic v Cheltenham Town | 11/09/21
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Papasquare looked less bad than I was expecting, that’s a positive…2
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i couldnt agree with this moreNicholas said:Starting Watson and Morgan in central midfield what an absolute pile of shit. No more chances for Morgan he is shit wherever he plays. The boy is no where near good enough. Watson is a sack of shit as well. The whole set up of this team is crap. Absolute sick of it now
Morgan - not good enough
Watson - pay him what his contracted and cancel his fob0 -
Harsh!stevexreeve said:I felt like I was watching a pub team from the 1960's playing a team from the 21st century!
Just lob it up to "Roy of the Rovers" Stockley and he'll beat the blighters and score some goals.
Incredible that any team of professional people can be so f**ing useless at their job!
You must have missed all the "Come on, lads. We need to raise things" gesturing.
Credit where it's due.0 -
I'll say it until I'm blue in the face.......ForeverAddickted said:Dazzler21 said:
Something Adkins has said he doesn't want us doing.O-Randy-Hunt said:May aswell do away with the midfield and keep on practicing famewo hoofing it up to stockley. It may pay off one day.
Bowyer said similar.
But we're stuck in Groundhog day from last winter, conceding 2 goals in FOUR out of SIX games. - We need to get comfortable at this level until the tally against "goals conceded" each game reads ZERO
Letting in goals is not a problem IF YOU SCORE MORE THAN YOUR OPPONENTS.
3 of the current top 6 have conceded more than us. We are 5th from bottom.
Wimbledon conceded 3 today and WON. JUST FECKIN SCORE MORE GOALS. 1 shot on target today. The same against Sheff Wed. We pushed the boat out against Oxford when we had TWO shots on target. Its not rocket science that the more shots you have on target the more you will score.11 -
We should be top then...SheedyCAFC said:At least we’re above Ipswich0 -
Like how Washington started on the bench. But NA says that Soure is not fit enough to start & we dont have another fit left back (apart from Roddy).Crusty54 said:
Gunter shouldn't have been in the team after travelling long distances and playing for Wales.Pavoren007 said:Such a Jekyll and Hyde show for Gunter following his last game in which he played very well. This time out - dreadful dreadful first half, marginally improved in the second but damage already done. Kirk clearly not settled yet but came with rave reviews so give him time.
Only positive for me was Leko who clearly has a lot more to offer than a League One standard player.A very frustrating afternoon and the next 4 games aren’t going to be easy either.
Now if only we had 3 months to sign a left back before the transfer window shut.1 -
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Too much beer.0 -
I'm still up as I was watching Emma from Bromley and Beckenham, take on and BEAT the world!
So now onto today's game. As I said in my previous post it was shit in the first half and not quite so shit in the second.
Morgan needs dropping end of! Souare should start instead of Gunter, Leko instead of DJ, and get Arter in the side!
Stockley needs help up front, we need to go 442, we need to change our plan from hoofball.
I'd also swap Watson for Dobson, and get Clare on the bench.
NA has a few matches in my opinion or he might find himself back on the dole!
Overall there was no fight, no passion and no fucking clue!4 -
Unbelievable. I'll be back in the UK for my first matches in 25 months in two weeks.Todds_right_hook said:
In the 8 halves of football at the valley, we’ve gone 5 without a shot.golfaddick said:
Same every week. In all 6 games this season the opposition have had more shots on target.NapaAddick said:We were out-shot on goal 8-1.
Disgraceful.#disgraceful
I have not waited that long to watch a team that won't even have a decent go. As a Charlton fan I'm generally patient with the team, but that stat is intolerable.
Apologies in advance if I end up booing.0 -
Hooray Hooray Hooray.paulfox said:
Yes, don’t always agree with your comments golfie, but I absolutely do today, good post. I certainly think giving Stockley a bit of bench time will change the dynamic maybe for the better?.golfaddick said:Posting after reading just 4 pages as reading anymore I'll slit my wrists.......
Adkins can moan all he likes but he chose the players & the formation. Imo there is no point bringing in players only to leave then out and play inferior ones in their place. If they aren't fit enough then firstly why not & secondly why sign then in the first place. Answer to the 2nd is because we panicked when the original transfer policy backfired.
I said the the preview thread we would lose if we started with Watson & Gunter. When we resigned Watson we were told he would be back up & only playing when necessary. More bollox then.
If it were me I'd drop Stockley & play Washington & Lee up front. Stockley did nothing today & plainly lumping it up front for him to try to out muscle 2 defenders isn't working. Play the ball on the floor & let Leko, DJ, Kirk & Blackett-Taylor run at them (not suggesting all start btw).
Only players to come out with any credit were Lavelle, Leko, Lee & MacGillivray. If Gunter plays one more match at left back then Adkins needs sacking. Same for Watson.
Still dont think we will get relegated but we are so far off being an automatic promotion side its unreal. Powell's all conquering side from 2011/12 lost just 5 matches all season. This lot have already lost 4.
And you stick your 25 clean sheets up your arse. Sheff U, Lincoln, Bolton & Wimbledon let in goals this afternoon and they all WON. 3 of those teams let in at least 2.
Please listen to these two lifers M.Adkins0 -
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Great to meet you before the game @Redmidland, but after that, it was pretty much all downhill apart from the crossbar challenge celebration!Redmidland said:Just walked in!! Another very long day, but met an old buddy of mine for the first time in 52 years @Redrobo, we were with @TCE, @DaveStorry, @foresthillred and little TJ, his mum and Keith from Radio Sheppy a great bunch of people!
Then we come to game... first half we were shit, second half we weren't quite so shit!
I'm annoyed that the game ruined an otherwise great day!!
I'm still that bloody fuming about the game I'll post my thoughts tomorrow!!
Good night!1 -
442 against Crewe. Every other game 433ish. Says it all.
Possibly be a good thing now if Stockley gets a knock and he’s forced to play Washington and Leko up top together.2 -
Was thinking the same @Sage about Jacko.Sage said:Getting to the point now where I wish Jackson had been given the job. Adkins record is good and his a very positive man, but if he leaves I hope Jackson gets it because it’s the only way I can see him wanting to stick around, if he is number 1.
Anyway, on to today. It was one of the worst first half performances I’ve seen. It was horrible and they were crap.
I don’t know how Morgan continues to get so many people defending him, he’s had long enough now. He can’t defend, he continuously losing his man or gives up tracking him, he offers nothing offensively, he doesn’t score, he doesn’t have dribbling ability or take players on, he doesn’t get stuck in, he doesn’t show for the ball, and what is meant to be his strong part of his game, his passing is inconsistent.
Stockley was awful today. If he plays up front on his own again this season, Adkins will have shown he does not learn. He said he must reflect and take responsibility, well do the basics yourself and put a team out to get the best out of each other, play to your strengths.
Washington and Leko have to start next week, we are a much better team with Washington playing and Leko brings us something no one else in the squad can do.
Thankfully, we still have a number of players to come back or into the team properly. Inniss, Purrington, Souaré, Gilbey, Arter, Clare, Davison, Schwartz. 6 of them I would have in the squad, 100%.
Adkins absolutely deserves and should get more time. But if things don’t improve the right man is already at the club imo.1 -
We looked totally off the pace from the off and I'm wondering if it was a case of the players being a bit complacent, expecting to beat little old Cheltenham, then struggling to match the physicality and desire they showed throughout.
I understand that sometimes things go wrong tactically, but some basic desire and urgency would have countered much of that, something that hugely frustrates me as a talentless footballer who nonetheless ran his nuts off! Even the ball boys were lounging around looking at their phones!!
What we saw at the beginning of the second half, was a group of players taking quick throw ins, taking on opponents, getting some meaty tackles in, just looking a bit like they cared, and it really got the crowd going. It took a combination of game management and weak refereeing to allow Cheltenham to take the steam out of the situation and hold on, comfortably in the end, for the win.
I felt sorry for Stockley. He has obviously been told to act as the focal point for any balls up the pitch, so he pretty much has to allow himself to be marked and try to out-battle two big centre backs. So far this season, he has done this pretty well but he was properly roughed up today and received no protection from the ref to counter the consistent shirt pulling. Also, I bet he would much rather be getting on the end of a decent cross, something that has been almost non-existent due to our talented but extremely lazy wingers. They need to be sat down in front of some footage of John Robinson to understand what Charlton fans expect of a wide player.
As for midfield, where we used to have the Pratley/Watson argument, it is now Morgan/Watson. It has to be one or the other, not both, because we just lack pace and energy when the two of them play together.
For me, there are too many players not giving their all at the moment. Adkins needs to put out a team with all eleven giving 100% next week and make that a benchmark for the season.11 -
Did anyone else notice that there were 6 minutes added time. And on 95 minutes the ref had a word with their player for wasting time and then blew the whistle on 95:45.
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Someone on here said DJ is a dud. I agree. Not consistent and loses most 1 on 1's. We got the wrong player from Crewe....Lowery and Dale were better. Criminal that we did not get another striker in the Window. Stockley is a donkey with little or no technical ability. That was embarassingly poor. How Washington was on the bench I don't know. Adkins is hopeless and hasn't got a clue and I don't buy his last of the summer wine act. We are going nowhere this season. Said it once and will say it again....the one person who can get us back to where we want to be is sitting in the Charlton TV studio and his name is on the old East Stand.1
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Yup and lets wait and see what the Goals Conceded column reads when the three teams get promotedgolfaddick said:
I'll say it until I'm blue in the face.......ForeverAddickted said:Dazzler21 said:
Something Adkins has said he doesn't want us doing.O-Randy-Hunt said:May aswell do away with the midfield and keep on practicing famewo hoofing it up to stockley. It may pay off one day.
Bowyer said similar.
But we're stuck in Groundhog day from last winter, conceding 2 goals in FOUR out of SIX games. - We need to get comfortable at this level until the tally against "goals conceded" each game reads ZERO
Letting in goals is not a problem IF YOU SCORE MORE THAN YOUR OPPONENTS.
3 of the current top 6 have conceded more than us. We are 5th from bottom.
Wimbledon conceded 3 today and WON. JUST FECKIN SCORE MORE GOALS. 1 shot on target today. The same against Sheff Wed. We pushed the boat out against Oxford when we had TWO shots on target. Its not rocket science that the more shots you have on target the more you will score.
If you want to go up, you need a decent defence as well as a decent attack
You seem to about just one one of those things Golfie - We keep going 2-0 down and have done since last winter, we're making the job impossible for ourselves as no team will score three times every bloody week.
I dont pissing care how many shots we have on target either unless it goes in the bloody net. If we'd had eight shots on goal today, one of the biggest complaints would have been about how wasteful we were because we still only scored one!!0 -
This is the same core group of players that had Bowyer spitting feathers last season. It's why there was a big clamour on here to do a total rebuild in the summer but instead we opted to keep the core and just build on top.
We've all spoken about not being able to identify with any of these players. There are experienced pros in there who are getting caught ball-watching, letting their man go, misplacing every second five-yard ball... They repeatedly haven't done the basics and have cost us so many times that it's predictable. Something rotten about this group.
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Only we'd sing 'who the fucking hell are you' to a team who'd just gone one up and were running us ragged.
As a few others have mentioned Adkins doesn't have the respect of the dressing room.
Time for Curbs and Jackson.8 -
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Stockley is absolutely the wrong striker for the football Adkins wants to play.1
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If you are hanging your hat on those players making a difference, you are going to be disappointed.Sage said:Getting to the point now where I wish Jackson had been given the job. Adkins record is good and his a very positive man, but if he leaves I hope Jackson gets it because it’s the only way I can see him wanting to stick around, if he is number 1.
Anyway, on to today. It was one of the worst first half performances I’ve seen. It was horrible and they were crap.
I don’t know how Morgan continues to get so many people defending him, he’s had long enough now. He can’t defend, he continuously losing his man or gives up tracking him, he offers nothing offensively, he doesn’t score, he doesn’t have dribbling ability or take players on, he doesn’t get stuck in, he doesn’t show for the ball, and what is meant to be his strong part of his game, his passing is inconsistent.
Stockley was awful today. If he plays up front on his own again this season, Adkins will have shown he does not learn. He said he must reflect and take responsibility, well do the basics yourself and put a team out to get the best out of each other, play to your strengths.
Washington and Leko have to start next week, we are a much better team with Washington playing and Leko brings us something no one else in the squad can do.
Thankfully, we still have a number of players to come back or into the team properly. Inniss, Purrington, Souaré, Gilbey, Arter, Clare, Davison, Schwartz. 6 of them I would have in the squad, 100%.1 -
The way we play is over reliant on Stockley. I'm confident opponents prioritise stopping him. The problem for us is if they manage it, we seem to lack other attacking options.2
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After sleeping on it and taking time to reflect,
We are absolutely doomed and destined for league 2 with this god awful squad and staff, absolutely NO to Jackson getting the gig.0 -
I don't want to see Watson or gunter starting a game every again. I don't see what is the point of kirk all he does is walks about and offers nothing.2
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Maybe one of the reasons players look so good in training is that they are playing against us! Just a thought.17
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I've never personally applauded an oppostion team but I can understand it. The brand of football we play with one big slow striker upfront is terrible to watch. Completely understand our fans wanting to see & appreciate exciting football that the likes of MK Dons & Cheltenham produce rather than the Nigel Adkins 'lump it up to the big guy' style.LargeAddick said:
I didn’t clap them at the end but I stood and clapped their second goal. I’m not blinkered enough to not recognise when the opposition has scored a good goal.Addick_8 said:I’ve seen some shite in my time at the valley but that first half was one of the worse I’ve seen.
Also, why was people (a large amount) clapping Cheltenham players off the pitch at full time… embarrassing!
If you exclude Crewe (who are in complete disaray having sold their whole team) then the amount of shots on target (i.e. entertainment level) we have seen per game this season is disgusting.
As others have said, if he doesn't change formation now he has both Washington & Leko at his disposal then he is seriously tactically inept.7 -
I don't disagree with you at all but Adkins has previously described Stockley as the best centre forward in the division so i can't see him dropping him. What is abundantly clear though is that him on his own isn't working and he needs a partner to play alongside him.Sage said:Getting to the point now where I wish Jackson had been given the job. Adkins record is good and his a very positive man, but if he leaves I hope Jackson gets it because it’s the only way I can see him wanting to stick around, if he is number 1.
Anyway, on to today. It was one of the worst first half performances I’ve seen. It was horrible and they were crap.
I don’t know how Morgan continues to get so many people defending him, he’s had long enough now. He can’t defend, he continuously losing his man or gives up tracking him, he offers nothing offensively, he doesn’t score, he doesn’t have dribbling ability or take players on, he doesn’t get stuck in, he doesn’t show for the ball, and what is meant to be his strong part of his game, his passing is inconsistent.
Stockley was awful today. If he plays up front on his own again this season, Adkins will have shown he does not learn. He said he must reflect and take responsibility, well do the basics yourself and put a team out to get the best out of each other, play to your strengths.
Washington and Leko have to start next week, we are a much better team with Washington playing and Leko brings us something no one else in the squad can do.
Thankfully, we still have a number of players to come back or into the team properly. Inniss, Purrington, Souaré, Gilbey, Arter, Clare, Davison, Schwartz. 6 of them I would have in the squad, 100%.5 -
But the bloke behind me was saying that Cheltenham were a pub team from the start, and continued that theme even when they were 2-0 up!stevexreeve said:I felt like I was watching a pub team from the 1960's playing a team from the 21st century!
Just lob it up to "Roy of the Rovers" Stockley and he'll beat the blighters and score some goals.
Incredible that any team of professional people can be so f**ing useless at their job!
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100% agree regarding Watson.Notts_Addick said:I have never been one to dig players out and let me be clear that Watson has had a stellar career and achieved some pretty incredible things in the game, not many people have scored an FA Cup final winner. I also know a lot of Forest fans who raved about him whilst he was there which wasn't to long ago so he is clearly a quality player even if age is against him.
However I have no grasp of what he brings to this team. Players seem to glide by him with such ease it's almost embarrassing. You could let that go if he was pinging 40 yard diagnol passes or bagging 10 goals a season but he doesn't do any of that either. As one of the most experienced pro's you'd at least expect some leadership qualities but he always seems anonymous whenever I watch him, never picking players up or digging anyone out.
Morgan, Claire and Dobson haven't looked like world beaters either but at least you can say there young, have potential to improve and will likely be here for a while longer to develop. I know Morgan gets a lot of criticism however I can at least see what he is trying to bring to a game even if it doesn't come off that often. Clare and Dobson haven't been here long enough to judge but at least if you asked me what their role was I could kind of describe the players they are and what they bring.
I get the argument that defensive midfielders do a lot off the ball that you don't necessarily notice, and he still seems to get picked a lot, by two managers now, so clearly they feel he brings something but I just don't see it.
I know our hands were tied in the summer with his contract situation but this team is crying out for someone like Pratley. Even when he wasn't playing well you could see him scrapping and communicating with players around him, I never see any of that with Watson.
Would personally like to see a bit more of Dobson though2
