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Adkins Out? - Match Thread
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carly burn said:Bailey said:Cafc43v3r said:CL_Phantom said:killerandflash said:I still think that with a change of formation, we can be more competitive, as there are enough options in the squad. Our 4231/433 isn't working as we're being slaughtered down the flanks. With 4 attacking players who can't defend on the pitch, it can easily look more like 424
Change to a Curbs/Powell 442 or 4411 with one winger and 3 midfielders and we look more solid, e.g.
Keeper
RB Lavelle Famewo LB
Clare/Morgan Arter/Dobson Gilbey/Morgan CBT/Leko
Lee/Leko/Washington
Stockley/Davison
In no way excusing Adkins, but is the constant use of the 433/ 4231 a requirement? We've heard of the pathway plan which sounds exactly like the saints model, a clear pathway from the youngest age group to first team, all play to the same formation and style, players and coaches are scouted and brought in to fit to the club's vision.
I guess a question.to ask is, are we paying 433/4231 because that's what Adkins wants or do we have Adkins because thats what the club wants - 433/4231, sound similar yet pretty different... Look at Adkins' past jobs in particular the League one seasons and he mainly played... yep, 442...add in the comments that Henry wrote up from the teams chat the other day, about what's needed for a league one squad he said:
Tall players - as lot of goals come from set pieces
A captian - for those tough gamesWarriors - for those tough games
Athletic players to get through a 40+ game seasonSettled sideLeft and right set piece takers - as a lot of goals come from set pieces
Pacey player
20+ goal a season man
Sounds like the basics of a 442 to me...
And from that list of league one must haves we signed what?
One tall player - Stockley
Pacey player - CBT/LekoAgain, not excusing him as if his hands are a bit tied*, then he needs to have a word and say something to the powers that be rather than act a complete mug and go with it - that's still stackable as that's avoiding our issues in the hope it'll click.
* Not trying to add to the current list of CL conspiracy theories facts:
Roddy keeping Adkins in job because they're old buddies from when they wasn't at Reading together
Roddy not telling TS how bad it really is because TS has no way of seeing that for himself.
Adkins has lost the dressing room because he's far too nice and the players don't respect him because of it.
JJ and Euell have no say because Adkins Mr far too nice immediately shuts them down and bullies them into silence.
Adkins channels his inner Fraye and only gives instructions such as "play football"
DJ threw a dildo called Adkins at the dugout on Saturday.
We played it at the end of the season last season and it worked. Kirk probably hasn't played in any other formation in his career, Leko and CBT would have played it a youth level, Arter has played it most of his career. It shouldn't bother Lavelle in his position. Lee played it at both Luton and Oxford.
All the summer recruitment should have been based on 4231/433 because that's what the manager wanted. It probably was but, to me, it looks like it was more based on data and "good players" rather than how they fit in to the team. Kirk and Lee are good examples of this, they are very different types of players to the ones we had in those roles last season.I agree. Adkins has to go but this squad is no great shakes either. A terrible recruitment drive in the summer.We are in deep shit8 -
Must have incredibly thick skin to be a football manager. If I knew the vast majority of people wanted me to go, I'd need to contact TS at first signs of it and sort what was gonna happen with a view to me going, but not leaving him managerless.
This is where I think football is a completely different business to almost any other.1 -
Gribbo said:Must have incredibly thick skin to be a football manager. If I knew the vast majority of people wanted me to go, I'd need to contact TS at first signs of it and sort what was gonna happen with a view to me going, but not leaving him managerless.
This is where I think football is a completely different business to almost any other.
And then there's no real ill-will there, he seems a very decent bloke, it just hasn't worked out. So except a few cases, football fans don't hold that grudge too seriously - if 99% of us met Luzon, or Slade or whoever we'd be perfectly civil.
So they wait for the sack.5 -
2 years left on his contract. Anyone care to guess what he's on a year? I imagine at a minimum it would cost half a million to pay him off. Don't think he'll be going anywhere for at least another 10 games.0
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Thomas - if you don't change things then nothing changes...0
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carly burn said:Bailey said:Cafc43v3r said:CL_Phantom said:killerandflash said:I still think that with a change of formation, we can be more competitive, as there are enough options in the squad. Our 4231/433 isn't working as we're being slaughtered down the flanks. With 4 attacking players who can't defend on the pitch, it can easily look more like 424
Change to a Curbs/Powell 442 or 4411 with one winger and 3 midfielders and we look more solid, e.g.
Keeper
RB Lavelle Famewo LB
Clare/Morgan Arter/Dobson Gilbey/Morgan CBT/Leko
Lee/Leko/Washington
Stockley/Davison
In no way excusing Adkins, but is the constant use of the 433/ 4231 a requirement? We've heard of the pathway plan which sounds exactly like the saints model, a clear pathway from the youngest age group to first team, all play to the same formation and style, players and coaches are scouted and brought in to fit to the club's vision.
I guess a question.to ask is, are we paying 433/4231 because that's what Adkins wants or do we have Adkins because thats what the club wants - 433/4231, sound similar yet pretty different... Look at Adkins' past jobs in particular the League one seasons and he mainly played... yep, 442...add in the comments that Henry wrote up from the teams chat the other day, about what's needed for a league one squad he said:
Tall players - as lot of goals come from set pieces
A captian - for those tough gamesWarriors - for those tough games
Athletic players to get through a 40+ game seasonSettled sideLeft and right set piece takers - as a lot of goals come from set pieces
Pacey player
20+ goal a season man
Sounds like the basics of a 442 to me...
And from that list of league one must haves we signed what?
One tall player - Stockley
Pacey player - CBT/LekoAgain, not excusing him as if his hands are a bit tied*, then he needs to have a word and say something to the powers that be rather than act a complete mug and go with it - that's still stackable as that's avoiding our issues in the hope it'll click.
* Not trying to add to the current list of CL conspiracy theories facts:
Roddy keeping Adkins in job because they're old buddies from when they wasn't at Reading together
Roddy not telling TS how bad it really is because TS has no way of seeing that for himself.
Adkins has lost the dressing room because he's far too nice and the players don't respect him because of it.
JJ and Euell have no say because Adkins Mr far too nice immediately shuts them down and bullies them into silence.
Adkins channels his inner Fraye and only gives instructions such as "play football"
DJ threw a dildo called Adkins at the dugout on Saturday.
We played it at the end of the season last season and it worked. Kirk probably hasn't played in any other formation in his career, Leko and CBT would have played it a youth level, Arter has played it most of his career. It shouldn't bother Lavelle in his position. Lee played it at both Luton and Oxford.
All the summer recruitment should have been based on 4231/433 because that's what the manager wanted. It probably was but, to me, it looks like it was more based on data and "good players" rather than how they fit in to the team. Kirk and Lee are good examples of this, they are very different types of players to the ones we had in those roles last season.I agree. Adkins has to go but this squad is no great shakes either. A terrible recruitment drive in the summer.We are in deep shit
Not signing a quality midfielder who can run games, like a Dempsey.
Signing a big target man striker when supposedly we want to play football on the floor.
Re-signing Matthews instead of finding a new RB.
I know many would say we brought people in too late and that was a mistake but I don't know what the club was supposed to do there other than break the bank to get them in earlier. The football authorities have to look at how these windows are working where clubs aren't even getting their teams together until well into the season, it's a bit of a joke.7 -
The squad is top half at a minimum, however, we're in mid-October and the manager still hasn't got it playing with any identity or consistent style of play. That's the problem.
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Fully expect to lose tomorrow night and Adkins to be gone Wednesday.0
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JohnnyH2 said:RonnieMoore said:RaplhMilne said:Adkins and unfortunately a tarnished by association Jackson must go. An god forbid the Curbs gang , get their way, For me ask Chris Powell to take a contract to keep us up, with this shit squad, and re- evaluate at end of season.
What did he do at Huddersfield and Southend poor manager who had one good year9 -
Cloudworm said:2 years left on his contract. Anyone care to guess what he's on a year? I imagine at a minimum it would cost half a million to pay him off. Don't think he'll be going anywhere for at least another 10 games.0
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North Lower Neil said:Fully expect to lose tomorrow night and Adkins to be gone Wednesday.11
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Reckon he's on about £120k to £150k pa. Complete stab in the dark though0
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redbuttle said:North Lower Neil said:Fully expect to lose tomorrow night and Adkins to be gone Wednesday.
Maybe at this stage TS sees it as 2 wins from 3, but frankly we shouldn't count beating Southampton's youth team.
But another loss tomorrow....0 -
RonnieMoore said:RaplhMilne said:Adkins and unfortunately a tarnished by association Jackson must go. An god forbid the Curbs gang , get their way, For me ask Chris Powell to take a contract to keep us up, with this shit squad, and re- evaluate at end of season.
What did he do at Huddersfield and Southend poor manager who had one good year6 -
This might have been discussed but in case it hasn’t, I was told at the weekend that Washington asked to play down the middle and that request didn’t go down well with Adkins, so Washington has been marginalised. Sorry if that’s repetition, I haven’t read this whole thread!0
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I suppose when you have a large squad, one way of solving selection dilemmas is to marginalise certain individuals on the flimsiest of pretexts1
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Addick_8 said:carly burn said:Bailey said:Cafc43v3r said:CL_Phantom said:killerandflash said:I still think that with a change of formation, we can be more competitive, as there are enough options in the squad. Our 4231/433 isn't working as we're being slaughtered down the flanks. With 4 attacking players who can't defend on the pitch, it can easily look more like 424
Change to a Curbs/Powell 442 or 4411 with one winger and 3 midfielders and we look more solid, e.g.
Keeper
RB Lavelle Famewo LB
Clare/Morgan Arter/Dobson Gilbey/Morgan CBT/Leko
Lee/Leko/Washington
Stockley/Davison
In no way excusing Adkins, but is the constant use of the 433/ 4231 a requirement? We've heard of the pathway plan which sounds exactly like the saints model, a clear pathway from the youngest age group to first team, all play to the same formation and style, players and coaches are scouted and brought in to fit to the club's vision.
I guess a question.to ask is, are we paying 433/4231 because that's what Adkins wants or do we have Adkins because thats what the club wants - 433/4231, sound similar yet pretty different... Look at Adkins' past jobs in particular the League one seasons and he mainly played... yep, 442...add in the comments that Henry wrote up from the teams chat the other day, about what's needed for a league one squad he said:
Tall players - as lot of goals come from set pieces
A captian - for those tough gamesWarriors - for those tough games
Athletic players to get through a 40+ game seasonSettled sideLeft and right set piece takers - as a lot of goals come from set pieces
Pacey player
20+ goal a season man
Sounds like the basics of a 442 to me...
And from that list of league one must haves we signed what?
One tall player - Stockley
Pacey player - CBT/LekoAgain, not excusing him as if his hands are a bit tied*, then he needs to have a word and say something to the powers that be rather than act a complete mug and go with it - that's still stackable as that's avoiding our issues in the hope it'll click.
* Not trying to add to the current list of CL conspiracy theories facts:
Roddy keeping Adkins in job because they're old buddies from when they wasn't at Reading together
Roddy not telling TS how bad it really is because TS has no way of seeing that for himself.
Adkins has lost the dressing room because he's far too nice and the players don't respect him because of it.
JJ and Euell have no say because Adkins Mr far too nice immediately shuts them down and bullies them into silence.
Adkins channels his inner Fraye and only gives instructions such as "play football"
DJ threw a dildo called Adkins at the dugout on Saturday.
We played it at the end of the season last season and it worked. Kirk probably hasn't played in any other formation in his career, Leko and CBT would have played it a youth level, Arter has played it most of his career. It shouldn't bother Lavelle in his position. Lee played it at both Luton and Oxford.
All the summer recruitment should have been based on 4231/433 because that's what the manager wanted. It probably was but, to me, it looks like it was more based on data and "good players" rather than how they fit in to the team. Kirk and Lee are good examples of this, they are very different types of players to the ones we had in those roles last season.I agree. Adkins has to go but this squad is no great shakes either. A terrible recruitment drive in the summer.We are in deep shit
Last season we had a 6-12th team, a couple of slight improvements would have made it a comfortable top 6 team. We haven't improved a single position (maybe right wing and back up RCB at a push). Every other new player is worse than the one they replaced, in the starting 11.
Add in the fact last season, for large parts, we were as poor as we are now, the big difference was Aneke turned defeats into draws and draws into wins.
The whole place is rotten.0 -
Cafc43v3r said:Addick_8 said:carly burn said:Bailey said:Cafc43v3r said:CL_Phantom said:killerandflash said:I still think that with a change of formation, we can be more competitive, as there are enough options in the squad. Our 4231/433 isn't working as we're being slaughtered down the flanks. With 4 attacking players who can't defend on the pitch, it can easily look more like 424
Change to a Curbs/Powell 442 or 4411 with one winger and 3 midfielders and we look more solid, e.g.
Keeper
RB Lavelle Famewo LB
Clare/Morgan Arter/Dobson Gilbey/Morgan CBT/Leko
Lee/Leko/Washington
Stockley/Davison
In no way excusing Adkins, but is the constant use of the 433/ 4231 a requirement? We've heard of the pathway plan which sounds exactly like the saints model, a clear pathway from the youngest age group to first team, all play to the same formation and style, players and coaches are scouted and brought in to fit to the club's vision.
I guess a question.to ask is, are we paying 433/4231 because that's what Adkins wants or do we have Adkins because thats what the club wants - 433/4231, sound similar yet pretty different... Look at Adkins' past jobs in particular the League one seasons and he mainly played... yep, 442...add in the comments that Henry wrote up from the teams chat the other day, about what's needed for a league one squad he said:
Tall players - as lot of goals come from set pieces
A captian - for those tough gamesWarriors - for those tough games
Athletic players to get through a 40+ game seasonSettled sideLeft and right set piece takers - as a lot of goals come from set pieces
Pacey player
20+ goal a season man
Sounds like the basics of a 442 to me...
And from that list of league one must haves we signed what?
One tall player - Stockley
Pacey player - CBT/LekoAgain, not excusing him as if his hands are a bit tied*, then he needs to have a word and say something to the powers that be rather than act a complete mug and go with it - that's still stackable as that's avoiding our issues in the hope it'll click.
* Not trying to add to the current list of CL conspiracy theories facts:
Roddy keeping Adkins in job because they're old buddies from when they wasn't at Reading together
Roddy not telling TS how bad it really is because TS has no way of seeing that for himself.
Adkins has lost the dressing room because he's far too nice and the players don't respect him because of it.
JJ and Euell have no say because Adkins Mr far too nice immediately shuts them down and bullies them into silence.
Adkins channels his inner Fraye and only gives instructions such as "play football"
DJ threw a dildo called Adkins at the dugout on Saturday.
We played it at the end of the season last season and it worked. Kirk probably hasn't played in any other formation in his career, Leko and CBT would have played it a youth level, Arter has played it most of his career. It shouldn't bother Lavelle in his position. Lee played it at both Luton and Oxford.
All the summer recruitment should have been based on 4231/433 because that's what the manager wanted. It probably was but, to me, it looks like it was more based on data and "good players" rather than how they fit in to the team. Kirk and Lee are good examples of this, they are very different types of players to the ones we had in those roles last season.I agree. Adkins has to go but this squad is no great shakes either. A terrible recruitment drive in the summer.We are in deep shit
Last season we had a 6-12th team, a couple of slight improvements would have made it a comfortable top 6 team. We haven't improved a single position (maybe right wing and back up RCB at a push). Every other new player is worse than the one they replaced, in the starting 11.
Add in the fact last season, for large parts, we were as poor as we are now, the big difference was Aneke turned defeats into draws and draws into wins.
The whole place is rotten.In October we:
Don’t look fit.. all
Manager doesn’t know his best 11
Making 5/6 changes per game
3/4 different captains on a match day
Look incredibly easy to beat
Have no identity or style of play
Players in wrong position, i.e Gilbey CDM, Morgan in Number 10.Who’s fault is that.. just recruitment?It’s a shambles. The squad is being managed terribly hence why it’s sitting in the bottom 3 of league 1.
You seriously going to say that you don’t think this squad isn’t capable of let’s say.. 9th at this point? Come on now. Stop deflecting it away from Adkins. I like the guy, but it very clearly isn’t working with him.6 -
carly burn said:Bailey said:Cafc43v3r said:CL_Phantom said:killerandflash said:I still think that with a change of formation, we can be more competitive, as there are enough options in the squad. Our 4231/433 isn't working as we're being slaughtered down the flanks. With 4 attacking players who can't defend on the pitch, it can easily look more like 424
Change to a Curbs/Powell 442 or 4411 with one winger and 3 midfielders and we look more solid, e.g.
Keeper
RB Lavelle Famewo LB
Clare/Morgan Arter/Dobson Gilbey/Morgan CBT/Leko
Lee/Leko/Washington
Stockley/Davison
In no way excusing Adkins, but is the constant use of the 433/ 4231 a requirement? We've heard of the pathway plan which sounds exactly like the saints model, a clear pathway from the youngest age group to first team, all play to the same formation and style, players and coaches are scouted and brought in to fit to the club's vision.
I guess a question.to ask is, are we paying 433/4231 because that's what Adkins wants or do we have Adkins because thats what the club wants - 433/4231, sound similar yet pretty different... Look at Adkins' past jobs in particular the League one seasons and he mainly played... yep, 442...add in the comments that Henry wrote up from the teams chat the other day, about what's needed for a league one squad he said:
Tall players - as lot of goals come from set pieces
A captian - for those tough gamesWarriors - for those tough games
Athletic players to get through a 40+ game seasonSettled sideLeft and right set piece takers - as a lot of goals come from set pieces
Pacey player
20+ goal a season man
Sounds like the basics of a 442 to me...
And from that list of league one must haves we signed what?
One tall player - Stockley
Pacey player - CBT/LekoAgain, not excusing him as if his hands are a bit tied*, then he needs to have a word and say something to the powers that be rather than act a complete mug and go with it - that's still stackable as that's avoiding our issues in the hope it'll click.
* Not trying to add to the current list of CL conspiracy theories facts:
Roddy keeping Adkins in job because they're old buddies from when they wasn't at Reading together
Roddy not telling TS how bad it really is because TS has no way of seeing that for himself.
Adkins has lost the dressing room because he's far too nice and the players don't respect him because of it.
JJ and Euell have no say because Adkins Mr far too nice immediately shuts them down and bullies them into silence.
Adkins channels his inner Fraye and only gives instructions such as "play football"
DJ threw a dildo called Adkins at the dugout on Saturday.
We played it at the end of the season last season and it worked. Kirk probably hasn't played in any other formation in his career, Leko and CBT would have played it a youth level, Arter has played it most of his career. It shouldn't bother Lavelle in his position. Lee played it at both Luton and Oxford.
All the summer recruitment should have been based on 4231/433 because that's what the manager wanted. It probably was but, to me, it looks like it was more based on data and "good players" rather than how they fit in to the team. Kirk and Lee are good examples of this, they are very different types of players to the ones we had in those roles last season.I agree. Adkins has to go but this squad is no great shakes either. A terrible recruitment drive in the summer.We are in deep shit0 -
J BLOCK said:Getting more pissed off at TS by the day. Why is Adkins still in charge of this football club.I can't shake off the feeling that something bad is going on behind the scenes.Most of us fell for Southall at first, and while I don't think TS is in the slightest bit dodgy I do feel we may have got far too excited about him. Let's face it, he did get us out of a dreadful situation but at the expense of separating the club from the Valley. A bit like Southall, he arrived at a time when we were desperate and said all the right things. I'm not sure what to think right now, and maybe I've got my conspiracy theory head on, but I'm anxious about the future under Tommy.8
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JiMMy 85 said:This might have been discussed but in case it hasn’t, I was told at the weekend that Washington asked to play down the middle and that request didn’t go down well with Adkins, so Washington has been marginalised. Sorry if that’s repetition, I haven’t read this whole thread!
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We had a transfer window before the season started that suggested we didn't have any money. Fair enough, but then we started buying players and had the size of squad that suggested we did. We heard suggestions of disquiet and no promotion bonuses which also suggested we didn't have any money.
Could it be we found money or was the window just terribly managed. I am minded of the rebuild under Powell, probably with less money spent, where signings were made early and there seemed to be a real togetherness. Could it be that we have too many cooks in our structure tripping over each other?
I feel a bit sorry for Sandgaard because he has invested, but I suppose that has to be tempered with the fact he appointed the people responsible for this mess. I was a bit scathing about him playing his song on the first game, not because of the song, but the lack of awareness of how poor the squad was which made it inappropriate. It can only point to a lack of awareness and being fed ballshit from the people he has appointed.
There is talk of getting a good CEO which is sensible, but the priority is getting a good manager and giving them control of the football side. You don't need a CEO for that. Sandgaard is paying for a lot of experts to discuss on Charlton TV. He can get their help in making the right appointment, but get rid of this stupid structure where Adkins actually told us he hadn't had a chance to speak to Kirk yet........after we had bloody signed him.4 -
I don't get the total silence from Thomas or at least Roddy. Surely at least one of them ought to be saying something even if it's just to explain why Adkins is still here.
Is it only Johnnie Jackson that is hurting?
Adkins never gives the lightest impression that he's all that fussed. Is it because he's been told he'll still be managing us in the bottom tier!
What on earth do we gain by leaving this man in charge. Tomorrow will be awful on every level and even a win won't paper over the cracks.
Roddy and Adkins both needs to go. As far as I can see Roddy has added absolutely nothing. As I say apparently he has no view on how badly things are going.
Adkins had two weeks to improve things ahead of Saturday. What wonders can he perform in two days?
The die-hards like me will still go but lots won't, preferring to take up Nigel's advice and go for a walk. Sadly it'll be away from the club!7 -
Addick_8 said:Cafc43v3r said:Addick_8 said:carly burn said:Bailey said:Cafc43v3r said:CL_Phantom said:killerandflash said:I still think that with a change of formation, we can be more competitive, as there are enough options in the squad. Our 4231/433 isn't working as we're being slaughtered down the flanks. With 4 attacking players who can't defend on the pitch, it can easily look more like 424
Change to a Curbs/Powell 442 or 4411 with one winger and 3 midfielders and we look more solid, e.g.
Keeper
RB Lavelle Famewo LB
Clare/Morgan Arter/Dobson Gilbey/Morgan CBT/Leko
Lee/Leko/Washington
Stockley/Davison
In no way excusing Adkins, but is the constant use of the 433/ 4231 a requirement? We've heard of the pathway plan which sounds exactly like the saints model, a clear pathway from the youngest age group to first team, all play to the same formation and style, players and coaches are scouted and brought in to fit to the club's vision.
I guess a question.to ask is, are we paying 433/4231 because that's what Adkins wants or do we have Adkins because thats what the club wants - 433/4231, sound similar yet pretty different... Look at Adkins' past jobs in particular the League one seasons and he mainly played... yep, 442...add in the comments that Henry wrote up from the teams chat the other day, about what's needed for a league one squad he said:
Tall players - as lot of goals come from set pieces
A captian - for those tough gamesWarriors - for those tough games
Athletic players to get through a 40+ game seasonSettled sideLeft and right set piece takers - as a lot of goals come from set pieces
Pacey player
20+ goal a season man
Sounds like the basics of a 442 to me...
And from that list of league one must haves we signed what?
One tall player - Stockley
Pacey player - CBT/LekoAgain, not excusing him as if his hands are a bit tied*, then he needs to have a word and say something to the powers that be rather than act a complete mug and go with it - that's still stackable as that's avoiding our issues in the hope it'll click.
* Not trying to add to the current list of CL conspiracy theories facts:
Roddy keeping Adkins in job because they're old buddies from when they wasn't at Reading together
Roddy not telling TS how bad it really is because TS has no way of seeing that for himself.
Adkins has lost the dressing room because he's far too nice and the players don't respect him because of it.
JJ and Euell have no say because Adkins Mr far too nice immediately shuts them down and bullies them into silence.
Adkins channels his inner Fraye and only gives instructions such as "play football"
DJ threw a dildo called Adkins at the dugout on Saturday.
We played it at the end of the season last season and it worked. Kirk probably hasn't played in any other formation in his career, Leko and CBT would have played it a youth level, Arter has played it most of his career. It shouldn't bother Lavelle in his position. Lee played it at both Luton and Oxford.
All the summer recruitment should have been based on 4231/433 because that's what the manager wanted. It probably was but, to me, it looks like it was more based on data and "good players" rather than how they fit in to the team. Kirk and Lee are good examples of this, they are very different types of players to the ones we had in those roles last season.I agree. Adkins has to go but this squad is no great shakes either. A terrible recruitment drive in the summer.We are in deep shit
Last season we had a 6-12th team, a couple of slight improvements would have made it a comfortable top 6 team. We haven't improved a single position (maybe right wing and back up RCB at a push). Every other new player is worse than the one they replaced, in the starting 11.
Add in the fact last season, for large parts, we were as poor as we are now, the big difference was Aneke turned defeats into draws and draws into wins.
The whole place is rotten.In October we:
Don’t look fit.. all
Manager doesn’t know his best 11
Making 5/6 changes per game
Look incredibly easy to beat
Have no identity or style of play
Players in wrong position, i.e Gilbey CDM, Morgan in Number 10.Who’s fault is that.. just recruitment?It’s a shambles. The squad is being managed terribly hence why it’s sitting in the bottom 3 of league 1.
You seriously going to say that you don’t think this squad isn’t capable of let’s say.. 9th at this point? Come on now. Stop deflecting it away from Adkins. I like the guy, but it very clearly isn’t working with him.
I am not deflecting it away from Adkins I am saying that just sacking him and plugging someone else in with the same players and same set up wouldn't magically have doubled our points total. I agree we should be doing better but I don't agree that we should be comfortably top half.
There is so much rotten, some of which is clearly Adkins fault, some of clearly isn't and some that we don't actually know who's fault it is.
He got the sub massively wrong on Saturday but outside of the starting 11 there wasn't anyone who is banging the door down to start a game.
There will be changes tomorrow night, regardless of who the manager is but the players that come in for the ones that were shit on Saturday will be the ones that were shit 2 or 3 games ago.1 -
Cafc43v3r said:Addick_8 said:Cafc43v3r said:Addick_8 said:carly burn said:Bailey said:Cafc43v3r said:CL_Phantom said:killerandflash said:I still think that with a change of formation, we can be more competitive, as there are enough options in the squad. Our 4231/433 isn't working as we're being slaughtered down the flanks. With 4 attacking players who can't defend on the pitch, it can easily look more like 424
Change to a Curbs/Powell 442 or 4411 with one winger and 3 midfielders and we look more solid, e.g.
Keeper
RB Lavelle Famewo LB
Clare/Morgan Arter/Dobson Gilbey/Morgan CBT/Leko
Lee/Leko/Washington
Stockley/Davison
In no way excusing Adkins, but is the constant use of the 433/ 4231 a requirement? We've heard of the pathway plan which sounds exactly like the saints model, a clear pathway from the youngest age group to first team, all play to the same formation and style, players and coaches are scouted and brought in to fit to the club's vision.
I guess a question.to ask is, are we paying 433/4231 because that's what Adkins wants or do we have Adkins because thats what the club wants - 433/4231, sound similar yet pretty different... Look at Adkins' past jobs in particular the League one seasons and he mainly played... yep, 442...add in the comments that Henry wrote up from the teams chat the other day, about what's needed for a league one squad he said:
Tall players - as lot of goals come from set pieces
A captian - for those tough gamesWarriors - for those tough games
Athletic players to get through a 40+ game seasonSettled sideLeft and right set piece takers - as a lot of goals come from set pieces
Pacey player
20+ goal a season man
Sounds like the basics of a 442 to me...
And from that list of league one must haves we signed what?
One tall player - Stockley
Pacey player - CBT/LekoAgain, not excusing him as if his hands are a bit tied*, then he needs to have a word and say something to the powers that be rather than act a complete mug and go with it - that's still stackable as that's avoiding our issues in the hope it'll click.
* Not trying to add to the current list of CL conspiracy theories facts:
Roddy keeping Adkins in job because they're old buddies from when they wasn't at Reading together
Roddy not telling TS how bad it really is because TS has no way of seeing that for himself.
Adkins has lost the dressing room because he's far too nice and the players don't respect him because of it.
JJ and Euell have no say because Adkins Mr far too nice immediately shuts them down and bullies them into silence.
Adkins channels his inner Fraye and only gives instructions such as "play football"
DJ threw a dildo called Adkins at the dugout on Saturday.
We played it at the end of the season last season and it worked. Kirk probably hasn't played in any other formation in his career, Leko and CBT would have played it a youth level, Arter has played it most of his career. It shouldn't bother Lavelle in his position. Lee played it at both Luton and Oxford.
All the summer recruitment should have been based on 4231/433 because that's what the manager wanted. It probably was but, to me, it looks like it was more based on data and "good players" rather than how they fit in to the team. Kirk and Lee are good examples of this, they are very different types of players to the ones we had in those roles last season.I agree. Adkins has to go but this squad is no great shakes either. A terrible recruitment drive in the summer.We are in deep shit
Last season we had a 6-12th team, a couple of slight improvements would have made it a comfortable top 6 team. We haven't improved a single position (maybe right wing and back up RCB at a push). Every other new player is worse than the one they replaced, in the starting 11.
Add in the fact last season, for large parts, we were as poor as we are now, the big difference was Aneke turned defeats into draws and draws into wins.
The whole place is rotten.In October we:
Don’t look fit.. all
Manager doesn’t know his best 11
Making 5/6 changes per game
Look incredibly easy to beat
Have no identity or style of play
Players in wrong position, i.e Gilbey CDM, Morgan in Number 10.Who’s fault is that.. just recruitment?It’s a shambles. The squad is being managed terribly hence why it’s sitting in the bottom 3 of league 1.
You seriously going to say that you don’t think this squad isn’t capable of let’s say.. 9th at this point? Come on now. Stop deflecting it away from Adkins. I like the guy, but it very clearly isn’t working with him.
I am not deflecting it away from Adkins I am saying that just sacking him and plugging someone else in with the same players and same set up wouldn't magically have doubled our points total. I agree we should be doing better but I don't agree that we should be comfortably top half.
There is so much rotten, some of which is clearly Adkins fault, some of clearly isn't and some that we don't actually know who's fault it is.
He got the sub massively wrong on Saturday but outside of the starting 11 there wasn't anyone who is banging the door down to start a game.
There will be changes tomorrow night, regardless of who the manager is but the players that come in for the ones that were shit on Saturday will be the ones that were shit 2 or 3 games ago.
Yes the transfer window was a mess, but looking at the table we are below the likes of Morecombe, Cheltenham and Cambridge, and no way is our squad worse than theirs for example7 -
While at Reading Adkins narrowly missed out on playoff places . He achieved 7th place.Following season they were languishing down the bottom of the table, and after a heavy loss he was sacked.The league level was different (championship rather than L1) but sounds like quite a familiar story.1
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I think fitness is an issue and the solution Adkins had for that has failed. I suspect it isn't totally his fault but who is to blame for our shambles of a summer? None of us know and maybe even Sandgaard doesn't know. He needs to reset it all now.1
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Cafc43v3r said:Addick_8 said:carly burn said:Bailey said:Cafc43v3r said:CL_Phantom said:killerandflash said:I still think that with a change of formation, we can be more competitive, as there are enough options in the squad. Our 4231/433 isn't working as we're being slaughtered down the flanks. With 4 attacking players who can't defend on the pitch, it can easily look more like 424
Change to a Curbs/Powell 442 or 4411 with one winger and 3 midfielders and we look more solid, e.g.
Keeper
RB Lavelle Famewo LB
Clare/Morgan Arter/Dobson Gilbey/Morgan CBT/Leko
Lee/Leko/Washington
Stockley/Davison
In no way excusing Adkins, but is the constant use of the 433/ 4231 a requirement? We've heard of the pathway plan which sounds exactly like the saints model, a clear pathway from the youngest age group to first team, all play to the same formation and style, players and coaches are scouted and brought in to fit to the club's vision.
I guess a question.to ask is, are we paying 433/4231 because that's what Adkins wants or do we have Adkins because thats what the club wants - 433/4231, sound similar yet pretty different... Look at Adkins' past jobs in particular the League one seasons and he mainly played... yep, 442...add in the comments that Henry wrote up from the teams chat the other day, about what's needed for a league one squad he said:
Tall players - as lot of goals come from set pieces
A captian - for those tough gamesWarriors - for those tough games
Athletic players to get through a 40+ game seasonSettled sideLeft and right set piece takers - as a lot of goals come from set pieces
Pacey player
20+ goal a season man
Sounds like the basics of a 442 to me...
And from that list of league one must haves we signed what?
One tall player - Stockley
Pacey player - CBT/LekoAgain, not excusing him as if his hands are a bit tied*, then he needs to have a word and say something to the powers that be rather than act a complete mug and go with it - that's still stackable as that's avoiding our issues in the hope it'll click.
* Not trying to add to the current list of CL conspiracy theories facts:
Roddy keeping Adkins in job because they're old buddies from when they wasn't at Reading together
Roddy not telling TS how bad it really is because TS has no way of seeing that for himself.
Adkins has lost the dressing room because he's far too nice and the players don't respect him because of it.
JJ and Euell have no say because Adkins Mr far too nice immediately shuts them down and bullies them into silence.
Adkins channels his inner Fraye and only gives instructions such as "play football"
DJ threw a dildo called Adkins at the dugout on Saturday.
We played it at the end of the season last season and it worked. Kirk probably hasn't played in any other formation in his career, Leko and CBT would have played it a youth level, Arter has played it most of his career. It shouldn't bother Lavelle in his position. Lee played it at both Luton and Oxford.
All the summer recruitment should have been based on 4231/433 because that's what the manager wanted. It probably was but, to me, it looks like it was more based on data and "good players" rather than how they fit in to the team. Kirk and Lee are good examples of this, they are very different types of players to the ones we had in those roles last season.I agree. Adkins has to go but this squad is no great shakes either. A terrible recruitment drive in the summer.We are in deep shit
Last season we had a 6-12th team, a couple of slight improvements would have made it a comfortable top 6 team. We haven't improved a single position (maybe right wing and back up RCB at a push). Every other new player is worse than the one they replaced, in the starting 11.
Add in the fact last season, for large parts, we were as poor as we are now, the big difference was Aneke turned defeats into draws and draws into wins.
The whole place is rotten.4 -
killerandflash said:Cafc43v3r said:Addick_8 said:Cafc43v3r said:Addick_8 said:carly burn said:Bailey said:Cafc43v3r said:CL_Phantom said:killerandflash said:I still think that with a change of formation, we can be more competitive, as there are enough options in the squad. Our 4231/433 isn't working as we're being slaughtered down the flanks. With 4 attacking players who can't defend on the pitch, it can easily look more like 424
Change to a Curbs/Powell 442 or 4411 with one winger and 3 midfielders and we look more solid, e.g.
Keeper
RB Lavelle Famewo LB
Clare/Morgan Arter/Dobson Gilbey/Morgan CBT/Leko
Lee/Leko/Washington
Stockley/Davison
In no way excusing Adkins, but is the constant use of the 433/ 4231 a requirement? We've heard of the pathway plan which sounds exactly like the saints model, a clear pathway from the youngest age group to first team, all play to the same formation and style, players and coaches are scouted and brought in to fit to the club's vision.
I guess a question.to ask is, are we paying 433/4231 because that's what Adkins wants or do we have Adkins because thats what the club wants - 433/4231, sound similar yet pretty different... Look at Adkins' past jobs in particular the League one seasons and he mainly played... yep, 442...add in the comments that Henry wrote up from the teams chat the other day, about what's needed for a league one squad he said:
Tall players - as lot of goals come from set pieces
A captian - for those tough gamesWarriors - for those tough games
Athletic players to get through a 40+ game seasonSettled sideLeft and right set piece takers - as a lot of goals come from set pieces
Pacey player
20+ goal a season man
Sounds like the basics of a 442 to me...
And from that list of league one must haves we signed what?
One tall player - Stockley
Pacey player - CBT/LekoAgain, not excusing him as if his hands are a bit tied*, then he needs to have a word and say something to the powers that be rather than act a complete mug and go with it - that's still stackable as that's avoiding our issues in the hope it'll click.
* Not trying to add to the current list of CL conspiracy theories facts:
Roddy keeping Adkins in job because they're old buddies from when they wasn't at Reading together
Roddy not telling TS how bad it really is because TS has no way of seeing that for himself.
Adkins has lost the dressing room because he's far too nice and the players don't respect him because of it.
JJ and Euell have no say because Adkins Mr far too nice immediately shuts them down and bullies them into silence.
Adkins channels his inner Fraye and only gives instructions such as "play football"
DJ threw a dildo called Adkins at the dugout on Saturday.
We played it at the end of the season last season and it worked. Kirk probably hasn't played in any other formation in his career, Leko and CBT would have played it a youth level, Arter has played it most of his career. It shouldn't bother Lavelle in his position. Lee played it at both Luton and Oxford.
All the summer recruitment should have been based on 4231/433 because that's what the manager wanted. It probably was but, to me, it looks like it was more based on data and "good players" rather than how they fit in to the team. Kirk and Lee are good examples of this, they are very different types of players to the ones we had in those roles last season.I agree. Adkins has to go but this squad is no great shakes either. A terrible recruitment drive in the summer.We are in deep shit
Last season we had a 6-12th team, a couple of slight improvements would have made it a comfortable top 6 team. We haven't improved a single position (maybe right wing and back up RCB at a push). Every other new player is worse than the one they replaced, in the starting 11.
Add in the fact last season, for large parts, we were as poor as we are now, the big difference was Aneke turned defeats into draws and draws into wins.
The whole place is rotten.In October we:
Don’t look fit.. all
Manager doesn’t know his best 11
Making 5/6 changes per game
Look incredibly easy to beat
Have no identity or style of play
Players in wrong position, i.e Gilbey CDM, Morgan in Number 10.Who’s fault is that.. just recruitment?It’s a shambles. The squad is being managed terribly hence why it’s sitting in the bottom 3 of league 1.
You seriously going to say that you don’t think this squad isn’t capable of let’s say.. 9th at this point? Come on now. Stop deflecting it away from Adkins. I like the guy, but it very clearly isn’t working with him.
I am not deflecting it away from Adkins I am saying that just sacking him and plugging someone else in with the same players and same set up wouldn't magically have doubled our points total. I agree we should be doing better but I don't agree that we should be comfortably top half.
There is so much rotten, some of which is clearly Adkins fault, some of clearly isn't and some that we don't actually know who's fault it is.
He got the sub massively wrong on Saturday but outside of the starting 11 there wasn't anyone who is banging the door down to start a game.
There will be changes tomorrow night, regardless of who the manager is but the players that come in for the ones that were shit on Saturday will be the ones that were shit 2 or 3 games ago.
Yes the transfer window was a mess, but looking at the table we are below the likes of Morecombe, Cheltenham and Cambridge, and no way is our squad worse than theirs for example
There is no argument now, as far as I can see, that he shouldn't go. The only argument is will just sacking Adkins magically make us a top half team? I don't think it will. And that's a failing of others.
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I know I was looking at the signing of Aneke as the marker for me buying a season ticket. We were told he wanted to sign by Adkins, but how hard did we try? No events after that persuaded me. This was all predictable at the time and Thomas writes a bloody song!!!!2
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