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Post-match Thread: Fleetwood Town vs Charlton Athletic | Saturday 2nd October 2021

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  • edited October 2021
    PS Have t I been saying Stockley would be a weapon off the bench? Davison to wear them out, Stockley to come on if he tires, or as an extra striker. 
  • ross1 said:
    A huge thank you to the travelling Addicks who braved the conditions and the petrol crisis to make the journey today! Superb, as always 

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    Proper terracing too, none of your safe standing nonsense. 
  • Thanks for the highlights. Good to see they have all been working on their knee slides too.
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  • Great that we won - hopefully it will give everyone a lift. Poor goalkeeping for their goal - not sure what happened? 

    Just need a few wins now.
  • Leko - looked excellent. Notice for his goal, he passes to Kirk and does not do the Charlton thing and stay still following the pass. He sprints to the left to make himself available in a new position and also to open up the centre for Kirk.

    Their fk - no idea what happened here. The wall and MacGillivray seemed to be in the same position. Lavelle's reaction and position seems guilty that he didn't jump. It wasn't quite the amazing free kick into the top corner that cafc twitter made out.
  • edited October 2021
    Davo55 said:
    Sage said:
    RedChaser said:
    jonno said:
    Some great action there, but right at the start was that Gunter (who is as bad as Matthews), who just stood still and let their player run in unchallenged?

    How can an experienced player be that inept week in week out?
    I mean you don't even have to be able to play football, to be able to run alongside someone and keep goal side of them.
    It looks to me as if he’s slightly distracted by a player advancing out wide and is telling someone to pick him up whilst trying to hold a high line. However the opponent points to where he wants the ball and times his run to perfection. I agree though he switched of momentarily which is all it takes and McGillivray saved his bacon and a disastrous 0-1 early doors.
    Agreed, he was pointing to Leko to get back & to get behind his man.
    In doing so he lets his own player run through unchallenged for a one on one with the keeper.
    I'm afraid both Matthews and Gunter are rank and they seem to be getting worse.
    They can't even get the basics right.
    If you break down the whole move of that part of play, there are a number of issues.

    Neither Gunter or Lavelle recognise quick enough where the danger space is. It’s created because of the huge gap between Gunter and Lavelle. There are two reasons for that.

    Firstly, Famewo fails to take control of the situation with their striker meaning Lavelle has to engage in an area he probably shouldn’t be in. The gap between the two centre backs suddenly becomes too small. There was room either side and in behind. A lack of communication in that instance was a problem.

    Secondly, Gunter gets himself on the wrong side and too square on. He needs to tuck round and vacate the space and leave their player out wide on his right, he can’t hurt us there. So forget him and telling others to get in position and ensure you do your own positional defensive duties first. By the time Lavelle has reacted to where the danger is, he’s told Famewo to take control of their striker and tried to shuffle along. Whilst this is happening, Gunter moves even more face on and let’s their player get a run on him where the space is. He then claims for offside. Lavelle is too far away and too slow to get back and cover that space or intercept. He is also slightly ball watching, but naturally would assume your full back would be in a better position. 

    We are lucky that MacGillivray closed the angle down and came out quickly to make a solid and crucial save because switching off for that 5 second period could’ve cost us. It shows we have lots of room for improvement still and is an important reminder.

    I understand that at the level we are players have limitations, but these errors are clear and are easy to cut out through doing the basics to a good level. I am sure we will get there and improve.
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  • Sage said:
    RedChaser said:
    jonno said:
    Some great action there, but right at the start was that Gunter (who is as bad as Matthews), who just stood still and let their player run in unchallenged?

    How can an experienced player be that inept week in week out?
    I mean you don't even have to be able to play football, to be able to run alongside someone and keep goal side of them.
    It looks to me as if he’s slightly distracted by a player advancing out wide and is telling someone to pick him up whilst trying to hold a high line. However the opponent points to where he wants the ball and times his run to perfection. I agree though he switched of momentarily which is all it takes and McGillivray saved his bacon and a disastrous 0-1 early doors.
    Agreed, he was pointing to Leko to get back & to get behind his man.
    In doing so he lets his own player run through unchallenged for a one on one with the keeper.
    I'm afraid both Matthews and Gunter are rank and they seem to be getting worse.
    They can't even get the basics right.
    If you break down the whole move of that part of play, there are a number of issues.

    Neither Gunter or Lavelle recognise quick enough where the danger space is. It’s created because of the huge gap between Gunter and Lavelle. There are two reasons for that.

    Firstly, Famewo fails to take control of the situation with their striker meaning Lavelle has to engage in an area he probably shouldn’t be in. The gap between the two centre backs suddenly becomes too small. There was room either side and in behind. A lack of communication in that instance was a problem.

    Secondly, Gunter gets himself on the wrong side and too square on. He needs to tuck round and vacate the space and leave their player out wide on his right, he can’t hurt us there. So forget him and telling others to get in position and ensure you do your own positional defensive duties first. By the time Lavelle has reacted to where the danger is, he’s told Famewo to take control of their striker and tried to shuffle along. Whilst this is happening, Gunter moves even more face on and let’s their player get a run on him where the space is. He then claims for offside. Lavelle is too far away and too slow to get back and cover that space or intercept. He is also slightly ball watching, but naturally would assume your full back would be in a better position. 

    We are lucky that MacGillivray closed the angle down and came out quickly to make a solid and crucial save because switching off for that 5 second period could’ve cost us. It shows we have lots of room for improvement still and is an important reminder.

    I understand that at the level we are players have limitations, but these errors are clear and are easy to cut out through doing the basics to a good level. I am sure we will get there and improve.
    If football was played as clinically perfect as this analysis, it would be a very boring stalemated game
  • Our first away win in front of Charlton fans since Feb 2020, at Forest!
  • Our first away win in front of Charlton fans since Feb 2020, at Forest!
     Less sensational when you note how few away games we've played in front of fans in that time.
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  • edited October 2021
    Hope it’s not too late to make my prediction ( time zone differences are confusing) I reckon it’ll be a 2-1   Win to us. Leko and Stockley to score in that order.
    With that foresight @KiwiValley, hopefully you did the lottery at the same "time"... B)
  • Oggy Red said:
    Really liked Leko's goal .... from standing with the ball, he killed that defender with that sudden sharp movement to create the space to shoot.
    And a very decent strike too.


    Along with his assist for the second, two games in a row he’s use his pace to get past his man and whip a ball into the box - lethal at this level. 
  • A bit optimistic of  me but we are only 4 wins away from the play off area,other teams will beat each other so lets go on a run and be top half by Christmas.I still think our big squad will play a big part .
  • Interesting about Leko. I've seen him fo more damage on the right than left (that goal apart). But having wingers who can switch wings is handy bu we aren't at that level/luxery yet as still in a relegation battle!
  • edited October 2021
    se9addick said:
    Oggy Red said:
    Really liked Leko's goal .... from standing with the ball, he killed that defender with that sudden sharp movement to create the space to shoot.
    And a very decent strike too.


    Along with his assist for the second, two games in a row he’s use his pace to get past his man and whip a ball into the box - lethal at this level. 

    Agree about Leko, and not forgetting CBT who skinned his defender for fun and gave a great ball for Lee to score at the valley.

    Kirk, isn't as dynamic as Leko and CBT but his best form at Crewe means he will improve as cohesion is found among this group of players.

    14 players can influence a game; getting that right and the timing of the subs is paramount. Stockley coming on in 62minutes for the impressive Davison may have looked problematical but Stockley against a flagging defence attacked the six yard box and emulated Josh Davison against Bolton.

    Just one win, but so important with the fitness levels that can be raise over the next two weeks, with stamina, tactics and guys all wanting the shirt which should all be  evident at Sparrows lane.
  • edited October 2021
    There were positives and negatives from yesterday. Some of us are looking for signs that we won't get relegated, but others will be looking for signs that we can get ourselves in a position to have a push for the play offs. Of course poor result after poor result  makes that a more distant opportunity. So as Bolton was a must win, so was yesterday and so will the next four or five games.

    So what we are looking for is evidence we can go on the sort of runs that will get us back on track. So was there evidence yesterday? I would say yes but nothing we can yet bank on and how we follow it up will be key.

    So the positives:
    We played some good football in stages. Offensively we look to be on to something. Defensively we improved but we were still not perfect. Leko looks well above the Division standard. We recovered from a blow that would have floored us in previous games. We scored good goals and missed some good chances. We were the better side. The reaction to the victory was promising where there did seem to be a togetherness and determination.

    These are all things that could be deemed very promising. But there were still negatives:
    We allowed Fleetwood to get through us too easily at times. We missed chances that we need to start putting away. We let Fleetwood back into it. We sat too deeply at the end and relied on a bit of luck and backs to the wall defending to keep them out. Although less so, that fragility still seemed to be there. Maybe this can be attributed to confidence but we need to see it stop if we are going to go on that run which has to start now.

    Fitness can no longer be an excuse and Adkins needs to play as close to that team as possible against Southampton and build form there. I think Sandgaard has given Adkins more time than he should but I would want 4 wins from our next five to get on a a decent springboard and that should be Adkins' target to save his job.
  • Certainly still need to take yesterdays result with a degree of caution rather than thinking that we can look upwards now - Said prior to the Portsmouth game that they were nothing special as their three wins prior to our encounter all came against teams in the bottom four at the time of facing them.

    We've basically mirrored their two results against Crewe and Fleetwood now, so apart from their demolition win against Sunderland (which I didnt see coming) I think they're a good benchmark as to where we can aim for at present.
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