Maybe one of the reasons ULEZ is having less of an impact in terms of elections may be that London's air quality is improving.
Anti ULEZ people would be pretty motivated to vote. But there may not be as many of them as you’d think.
I think that's it really. There aren't as many of them as people would think. I'm not necessarily buying into some Guardian conspiracy that it's all Tories/bots/Vladimir Putin when he's bored etc but Hall literally said she would overturn ULEZ, as far as I'm concerned people have had their chances to vote against it now and didn't, Khan romped home with 16% of the vote.
If I had bothered to vote it would have been Green, I don't think Khan did a good job of implementing ULEZ, plus I don't particularly like him as he is a divisive character (or because I'm a massive racist if your ego is too fragile to handle that people have legitimately different views to you) but there's absolutely no way I would want it overturned. It would have been a huge step back.
It was only ever the outer London extension that was to be reversed. Clean air in practice would not have been lost.
It will have a benefit to those areas though won't it?
I do agree though about seeing the management information as I doubt it will have had as big an impact as was claimed, but it will surely have had an impact.
I'd like to see a hierarchy of what contributes to the poor air in London and I would vote for a Mayor who commits to go after the next thing, I am guessing that these cars off the road are a very very small proportion of what is causing issues.
Not wanting clean air (and I'm not aiming this at you) is absolute insanity. Somehow it has become a part of the culture wars on both sides.
I think some people confused the outer London potential ‘reversal’ with scrapping the whole thing. That’s what I was highlighting.
In outer London we were already downstream beneficiaries of the previous boundaries. As others have said because drivers have in many cases already changed behaviours and or the car they drive I didn’t see any threat to our air quality here.
I do agree there must logically be some marginal benefit in the air quality when the measures are published. But I assume marginal as I understood that was the official TFL forecast.
I also agree other contributory factors should be explored and identified if that is feasible to do.
I’ll give this thread 30 minutes before it becomes another one closed because some posters can’t help themselves and insist on shoehorning politics in despite being asked not to. Pathetic really
But compared to the national swing to Labour that is a good result for them surely?
Depends how you define a good result. Bromley council spent £147,853.20 on challenging ULEZ at court, arranged various protests including the one where horses circled the Orpington war memorial and didn't gain a 0.1% vote swing. They also lost the court case. This in a borough where they would elect Michael Appleton if they stuck a blue rosette on him.
I’ll give this thread 30 minutes before it becomes another one closed because some posters can’t help themselves and insist on shoehorning politics in despite being asked not to. Pathetic really
Come on, you’re the first, everyone on about red v blue, there’s you pink v brown.
So, Khan could be killing more people than he saves?
The results of a recent research project are in.
In a nutshell, 5.16 pedestrians on average were hit by an electric or hybrid car for every 100 million miles that type of vehicle had driven, compared with 2.4 people for petrol and diesel cars.
So, Khan could be killing more people than he saves?
The results of a recent research project are in.
In a nutshell, 5.16 pedestrians on average were hit by an electric or hybrid car for every 100 million miles that type of vehicle had driven, compared with 2.4 people for petrol and diesel cars.
That's an argument that's been going on since long before Khan was elected. Blind people have been campaigning for electric vehicles' sound levels to be artificially increased for many years now.
Thats an interesting point, not only are electric vehicles silent they weigh loads more than ICE vehicles (I won't get started on them and potholes, tyre degradation) so getting hit at 20 mph by one is going to do a lot more damage than a car with a combustion engine
Seeing as how his father was a bus driver I’m surprised that Sadiq Khan is so poor at it as he drives around London in an eleven ton electric car deliberately running into and killing people.
Seeing as how his father was a bus driver I’m surprised that Sadiq Khan is so poor at it as he drives around London in an eleven ton electric car deliberately running into and killing people.
His father was a bus driver? He has never mentioned it before.
So, Khan could be killing more people than he saves?
The results of a recent research project are in.
In a nutshell, 5.16 pedestrians on average were hit by an electric or hybrid car for every 100 million miles that type of vehicle had driven, compared with 2.4 people for petrol and diesel cars.
THe study used was for traffic accidents between 2013 and 2017 UK wide. Only 1% of the vehicles were electric/hybrid (22% were unclassified). Weak stuff even ignoring that ULEZ doesn't require electric or hybrid cars.
In London Sadiq Khan is well known as being the fifth horseman of the apocalypse. Well maybe not horseman, the battery powered person of the apocalypse.
Another positive impact of legislation driven by the Mayor of London.
Boris Johnson, take a bow.
You know what, I think that other than saying that Donald Trump was ‘totally unfit for office’, ULEZ is his only achievement (even though it wasn’t his idea). Fair play to Boris and Sadiq for ‘getting ULEZ done’.
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Misogyny yo
Personally i saw it's a result for Khan.
There are already hundreds of buses in London with the BYD Chinese chassis. The new buses just have a body supplied by the company.
The results of a recent research project are in.
In a nutshell, 5.16 pedestrians on average were hit by an electric or hybrid car for every 100 million miles that type of vehicle had driven, compared with 2.4 people for petrol and diesel cars.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/electric-cars-kill-pedestrians-at-twice-the-rate-of-petrol-or-diesel-vehicles-study-finds/ar-BB1mOdEX?ocid=winp2fptaskbarhover&cvid=6eb5c5229a93409f9e5fcc7f2933be2b&ei=38
Well maybe not horseman, the battery powered person of the apocalypse.
Caroline Russell AM said: "If every Londoner drives an electric car we won't tackle congestion, air pollution or the climate crisis.
"The best solution to any concerns about unfairness in changes like this is to move to smart, fair road user charging."
Ulez expansion led to significant drop in air pollutants in London, report finds.
Ulez expansion led to significant drop in air pollutants in London, report finds | Low emission zones | The Guardian
Imagine our surprise.
Boris Johnson, take a bow.