The same arguments are used to justify closure of the east stand but it looks as if there will be more people sitting there than many league games, albeit redistributed to the centre blocks.
It is interesting that the UCE is the most popular area when we have bigger crowds but this doesn’t seem to be reflected at cup games where most people prefer to sit on the sides.
That said, people are analysing early sales, which are likely to be in premium areas. Given we all know it’s not going to sell out I would expect later sales to have a different pattern.
I'd say because a bigger proportion in the covered end go for the atmosphere as much as for the football and the 'yoof' in particular will associate the fa cup with a flat / poorly attended affair with little or no atmosphere - sadly - however, now Jacko is taking things seriously and we have decent oppo, people seem to be returning - that attendance against whoever it was in the first round was definitely a protest attendance as i'm sure many felt the same as me when bowyer played a reserve team and we lost as it was the final straw. Re the north upper shutting - that is only going to perpetuate the poor atmosphere / second class match feel and should be avoided at all costs going forwards.
Upper tier - J, K and G pretty full. The rest (bar L) aren't at 50%
Lower tier - sales are good across 3 of the blocks, but still a lot of seats available in B, C and F
We could have completely packed out 3 tiers for this match, and created a decent atmosphere. Instead we'll have 10k spread out and a shit load of empty seats on TV.
ok, it is another slow day at work i guess, so here goes - H almost 50%, J 80%, k 95%, L at least 50% and at least 2 lower blocks were over 50% when i last looked and others on there way - so 'Every other block in the upper still very sparsely populated, and all blocks in the lower tier look pretty empty too' is not an accurate picture. We are 3 days away yet and as our resident expert indicates above, there will be a lot of sales leading up to the game or words to that effect. The atmosphere generated in the north upper, due to proximity of the roof etc will be better and spread to the other stands. Some who get used to watching from the upper tier may have been put off and i know quite a few that are north upper who bought in other stands before they opened it so all in all, it was the right decision for getting a bigger gate and atmosphere and i couldn't give a monkies what anybody watching on the TV thinks.
It won't be a bigger gate though will it. The club opened one tier, fans moaned so they opened both, and we're nowhere selling out the single tier they'd opened in the first place let alone the whole stand.
Upper tier - J, K and G pretty full. The rest (bar L) aren't at 50%
Lower tier - sales are good across 3 of the blocks, but still a lot of seats available in B, C and F
We could have completely packed out 3 tiers for this match, and created a decent atmosphere. Instead we'll have 10k spread out and a shit load of empty seats on TV.
ok, it is another slow day at work i guess, so here goes - H almost 50%, J 80%, k 95%, L at least 50% and at least 2 lower blocks were over 50% when i last looked and others on there way - so 'Every other block in the upper still very sparsely populated, and all blocks in the lower tier look pretty empty too' is not an accurate picture. We are 3 days away yet and as our resident expert indicates above, there will be a lot of sales leading up to the game or words to that effect. The atmosphere generated in the north upper, due to proximity of the roof etc will be better and spread to the other stands. Some who get used to watching from the upper tier may have been put off and i know quite a few that are north upper who bought in other stands before they opened it so all in all, it was the right decision for getting a bigger gate and atmosphere and i couldn't give a monkies what anybody watching on the TV thinks.
It won't be a bigger gate though will it. The club opened one tier, fans moaned so they opened both, and we're nowhere selling out the single tier they'd opened in the first place let alone the whole stand.
it will because quite a few who would nortmally sit in the north upper would be put off going
Upper tier - J, K and G pretty full. The rest (bar L) aren't at 50%
Lower tier - sales are good across 3 of the blocks, but still a lot of seats available in B, C and F
We could have completely packed out 3 tiers for this match, and created a decent atmosphere. Instead we'll have 10k spread out and a shit load of empty seats on TV.
ok, it is another slow day at work i guess, so here goes - H almost 50%, J 80%, k 95%, L at least 50% and at least 2 lower blocks were over 50% when i last looked and others on there way - so 'Every other block in the upper still very sparsely populated, and all blocks in the lower tier look pretty empty too' is not an accurate picture. We are 3 days away yet and as our resident expert indicates above, there will be a lot of sales leading up to the game or words to that effect. The atmosphere generated in the north upper, due to proximity of the roof etc will be better and spread to the other stands. Some who get used to watching from the upper tier may have been put off and i know quite a few that are north upper who bought in other stands before they opened it so all in all, it was the right decision for getting a bigger gate and atmosphere and i couldn't give a monkies what anybody watching on the TV thinks.
It won't be a bigger gate though will it. The club opened one tier, fans moaned so they opened both, and we're nowhere selling out the single tier they'd opened in the first place let alone the whole stand.
It’s not a zero sum game though. No matter what some might want to think, you can’t just move people around like chess pieces. If you could, it would make no sense to open all areas in League One. The upper west, for example, could obviously be closed without affecting the atmosphere. However, you would lose season ticket holders which would outweigh any saving.
More generally, if you keep signalling to people that games are not important, you can’t be surprised if they take you seriously.
My block in the covered end was empty when I bought mine yesterday. Glad fans pressured the club to get them to open the upper tier!
my block (j) in the north upper is circa 80% sold and reasonable sales in most others so by Sunday i reckon will be fairly full so i think it was the right thing to do
Every other block in the upper still very sparsely populated, and all blocks in the lower tier look pretty empty too.
Doesn't look the right call as things stand. Not to me anyway.
As said previously, would have been far better to have as many people close to the action as possible.
For some reason though people had these big ideas of the game selling out.
In hindsight we could close the Covered Upper Tier for most games using this logic. The ground at present has far more seats than the current demand
Not really, the entire covered is pretty much full for league games and when there is usually fewer than a thousand away fans. On Sunday, its going to be sparse but for a couple of blocks whilst there is over 3k Norwich fans making a racquet in the JS.
My block in the covered end was empty when I bought mine yesterday. Glad fans pressured the club to get them to open the upper tier!
my block (j) in the north upper is circa 80% sold and reasonable sales in most others so by Sunday i reckon will be fairly full so i think it was the right thing to do
Every other block in the upper still very sparsely populated, and all blocks in the lower tier look pretty empty too.
Doesn't look the right call as things stand. Not to me anyway.
As said previously, would have been far better to have as many people close to the action as possible.
For some reason though people had these big ideas of the game selling out.
In hindsight we could close the Covered Upper Tier for most games using this logic. The ground at present has far more seats than the current demand
Not really, the entire covered is pretty much full for league games and when there is usually fewer than a thousand away fans. On Sunday, its going to be sparse but for a couple of blocks whilst there is over 3k Norwich fans making a racquet in the JS.
And you could put those in the Covered end in both the West Lower and AC Stands making them closer to the pitch like has been suggested for Sunday.
I assume Norwich will sell the Jimmy Seed so I expect a few more than 10k as the attendance, more like 13/14k
That would be excellent but it’s a stretch based on actual league turnouts.
Agreed, I based assumption on 2015 when we played Blackburn at home and gate was 9k, we were both in the Championship, Norwich will bring more and attract more and more importantly Roland was in sittu
I assume Norwich will sell the Jimmy Seed so I expect a few more than 10k as the attendance, more like 13/14k
That would be excellent but it’s a stretch based on actual league turnouts.
Agreed, I based assumption on 2015 when we played Blackburn at home and gate was 9k, we were both in the Championship, Norwich will bring more and attract more and more importantly Roland was in sittu
i don't think you are gonna be that far off if Norwich do sell the away stand out - not something i'd say that is definite though given the run there on, the sunday factor and sadly, the fa cup factor
A few reflections on Norwich's role in our downfall here: www.votvonline.com
I remember the first game against them in League One well. We absolutely battered them for nearly the entire game but couldnt score, then they nick one from a corner and win the game. Remember their fans singing "we'll never play you again".
The following home game was Leeds I think? Nearly identical performance but this time Akpo Sodje popped up with a late header to win it for us.
I was at the Norwich away game in Sept 2014, that Jacko late winner was sweet!
Remember that well, that season was my first ever season ticket for Charlton.
Lived with a Norwich fan at uni and was also at that game at Carrow road but in the home end, a block or two away from Charlton fans.. fist pumped and ducked my head to try and play it safe when jacko scored.. looking back I wish I just jumped up to celebrate and got chucked out!
I have an irrational hate for Norwich, housemate was a twat.
If ESPN+ have it then there should be a streaming site that should be showing it too
I will check closer to kick off but I think it’s unlikely.
I should clarify… I think it’s unlikely that ESPN+ has it. From past experience, ESPN+ will usually only show the games that get picked for TV back in the U.K.
Perhaps we get preferential treatment due to the Premier League opposition? That’s what I’ll be checking for. I don’t imagine ESPN+ will be too keen to have to stream Luton v Harrogate or Stoke v Leyton Orient on the same afternoon, for instance.
Didn’t buy mine till last night, suspect a lot of people similarly now you can print at home leave it to the last few days in case you need to isolate etc. Circumstances are pretty unique at the moment.
Hopefully quite a few unsure will decide to come along. It should be a good competitive game and a chance of an upset.
Weather wise, Saturday looks shit but come Sunday people should be waking up to a dry and brighter day, feeling like they want to get out of the house and having seen Saturday’s fa cup highlights and results, including the one from the two numpties fighting it out down the road, seeing and hearing mention about the potential for another upset that day at Charlton they will fancy a trip to the Valley. Sunday could see a big walk up. That’s my theory anyway.
Weather wise, Saturday looks shit but come Sunday people should be waking up to a dry and brighter day, feeling like they want to get out of the house and having seen Saturday’s fa cup highlights and results, including the one from the two numpties fighting it out down the road, seeing and hearing mention about the potential for another upset that day at Charlton they will fancy a trip to the Valley. Sunday could see a big walk up. That’s my theory anyway.
I don’t think there is such a thing as a “big walk-up” any more because people can buy online on the day of the game and use mobile tickets. That doesn’t mean there won’t still be queues, because the club’s infrastructure can’t cope with any significant demand before kick-off.
However, I agree there could be sizeable later sales and still think we should get to 10,000. That would be more than attended a number of our L1 home games and the announced figure will be pretty accurate.
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More generally, if you keep signalling to people that games are not important, you can’t be surprised if they take you seriously.
https://www.canaries.co.uk/content/important-fan-information-charlton-athletic-v-norwich-city
Lived with a Norwich fan at uni and was also at that game at Carrow road but in the home end, a block or two away from Charlton fans.. fist pumped and ducked my head to try and play it safe when jacko scored.. looking back I wish I just jumped up to celebrate and got chucked out!
I have an irrational hate for Norwich, housemate was a twat.
Perhaps we get preferential treatment due to the Premier League opposition? That’s what I’ll be checking for. I don’t imagine ESPN+ will be too keen to have to stream Luton v Harrogate or Stoke v Leyton Orient on the same afternoon, for instance.