Isn't this the type of deal where a loan until the summer with a view to a perm would be the best route?
The player or Boro are prob not interested in that, more they want to free funds and a space up now. I think it is a good deal for Charlton, they are prob picking him up on the cheap now, and build him up for next season. Good age at 24, hungry, point to prove, lots of potential!
I don't disagree with any of that but it took JFC more than 2 years to become the player he was. Maybe Browne is close already, maybe he isn't.
Forget about this season but it adds question marks to next season as well, which we could really do without.
Possibly, but we still get the chance to assess him between now and the end of the season. If we've got him cheap, it won't be all that different to paying a loan fee anyway. Of course, having him on a 2.5 year contract wouldn't be ideal, but it's not impossible that he plays so well he's got Championship interest come the summer anyway and we'd therefore not have been able to sign him permanently anyway.
Surely with something like this you have to put your trust in your medical team ? if they have assessed the player and give the green light then it nothing more to be said. Good player, good age, whats not to like ?
True, but I think the concern is not necessarily whether he can recover from the injury, but whether he can get back playing anything like he was previously. The medical team can sign him off of course, but that doesn't mean he'll fully recover.
Surely with something like this you have to put your trust in your medical team ? if they have assessed the player and give the green light then it nothing more to be said. Good player, good age, whats not to like ?
True, but I think the concern is not necessarily whether he can recover from the injury, but whether he can get back playing anything like he was previously. The medical team can sign him off of course, but that doesn't mean he'll fully recover.
Exactly we've have players who've passed their medicals, but clearly are shadows of what they were before. Harry Arter this season, the likes of Joe Ledley or Rhys Williams previously
Every signing is a gamble, however the likes of Forster-Caskey and Bradley Dack get one ACL, then another follows not long after that.
Still young enough to still have a decent career. Bit of luck if we do sign him he won’t fall into the Bogle, Maddison, Schwartz, Souare box.
18 month deal would be sensible
Agreed on the 18 month deal.
Difference with this guy is he will have half a season plus an entire summer to find himself again, there’s no pressure on him coming in now for a fairly dead 3 and a half months.
It’s only a real gamble if he gets a massive long term contract.
Hopefully he’s fully recovered and the same player as before. Not often I’d say this but when you see these comments a loan with an option certainly feels safer
Hope the deal includes a couple of walking sticks...
I asked my Boro mate what he's like. 'Injury prone so fits the bill at Charlton, there's a good player in him but needs to play week in week out. Also highly doubt he can play wing back'
It keeps getting mentioned he is injury prone but apart from the serious one that he is recovering from what else are we talking about? Don't think we will want him as a wing back but as competition for or instead of Lee.
Neither was JFC injury prone until he did his ACL, then a year of muscle injuries, then did it again. He isn't injury prone but has basically missed 3 seasons.
I think what I was getting at is what if any injuries did he have before his ACL, looks like none. I would not call one injury being injury prone but I do get your point that it could lead to further problems.
Surprised to hear so many definitive comments about whether Browne is or isn’t what we need. Has anybody really seen enough of him to reach a conclusion? Serious question btw, I’m not having a dig.
I watch the Quest highlights show, but don’t remember seeing him play (although I don’t pay 100% attention to the Championship matches).
I haven’t, so can’t pass comment. I think the problem stems from the fact we’ve had a lot of poor signings over the last few years. Even the ones that we thought were potentially going to push us on, haven’t really pulled up trees.
At the moment, until we start performing a lot better, I expect more skepticism on the players we’re bringing in
I enjoyed the Browne YouTube video, but have seen others that weren’t lived up to. Let’s hope he’s still up to that standard. Looked pacy too, at that time.
I think the club employ people who know more about ACL’s than any of us and if they doubted his recovery or chances of regaining full fitness in anyway we wouldn’t be signing him.
I think the club employ people who know more about ACL’s than any of us and if they doubted his recovery or chances of regaining full fitness in anyway we wouldn’t be signing him.
Yes because we have such a proven track record of not signing injury prone players. 100% faith 🙄
The club employ people who know more about lots of things doesn't mean they are always right about them all either.
I think the club employ people who know more about ACL’s than any of us and if they doubted his recovery or chances of regaining full fitness in anyway we wouldn’t be signing him.
Yes because we have such a proven track record of not signing injury prone players. 100% faith 🙄
The club employ people who know more about lots of things doesn't mean they are always right about them all either.
Right and they also can't predict the future.
It should be said, there are a lot of players in football and other sports who come back from a torn ACL and go on to have a long and storied career. We shouldn't let JFC's experience color our perception of all ACL injuries. But there's a level of risk with Browne that as he comes back he could have muscular issues, or that he could reinjure the ACL.
As I said above, it sounds like the quality is there. Given that we're in League One, there are always going to be trade offs when we sign a player from a league above. And that's the case with Browne. My biggest concern remains his best position and how he fits into a 3-1-4-2/3-4-1-2.
Just trying to wrap my head around why giving JFC a contract for a year (when he's unlikely to play at all) after going through two ACLs is a good thing while signing this lad who by all accounts is back fit and ready to play is a bad thing.
Just trying to wrap my head around why giving JFC a contract for a year (when he's unlikely to play at all) after going through two ACLs is a good thing while signing this lad who by all accounts is back fit and ready to play is a bad thing.
Just trying to wrap my head around why giving JFC a contract for a year (when he's unlikely to play at all) after going through two ACLs is a good thing while signing this lad who by all accounts is back fit and ready to play is a bad thing.
I think both are good things, they just both involve risk. For JFC, getting a quality L1 player and our reigning POTY for half of a season is probably worth the deal. I'd imagine he had something of a wage reduction and will be on less than Browne.
For Browne, I'm not clear if he's back and ready to play, but I imagine the wages will be higher and length of contract longer. For those talking about an 18 month deal, I can't see him moving down to L1 for less than 2.5 years. I mean maybe 18 months with a club option for another year, but I really doubt it.
Just trying to wrap my head around why giving JFC a contract for a year (when he's unlikely to play at all) after going through two ACLs is a good thing while signing this lad who by all accounts is back fit and ready to play is a bad thing.
Maybe because they've seen what's happened with JFC?
I'm fine with the signing personally as it's looking to the future, getting a better deal on a highly rated player now rather than letting someone else have a punt and having no chance of getting him in the summer.
Was it Lee Bowyer that once said if a good player becomes available to you you have to get him? Granted, I think he may have been talking about Maddison but the point is true.
Just trying to wrap my head around why giving JFC a contract for a year (when he's unlikely to play at all) after going through two ACLs is a good thing while signing this lad who by all accounts is back fit and ready to play is a bad thing.
Standing by JFC when he did his was 100% the right thing to do. He did it playing for us.
If Browne is fit and able to play and his rebuilt knee, that was an issue before his ACL, is now 100% it's not an issue. Until he trys no one, even experts, KNOW, then can make educated guesses.
Agree, do people honestly think there’s no risk analysis, assessments and objective/subjective discussion when an asset is purchased, it’s a business after all. It could still go Pete Tong but like you’re eluding too we absolutely do not know best in these instances.
Comments
Difference with this guy is he will have half a season plus an entire summer to find himself again, there’s no pressure on him coming in now for a fairly dead 3 and a half months.
We will be signing a player that is now different to the youtube reel, just be aware of that.
The club employ people who know more about lots of things doesn't mean they are always right about them all either.
It should be said, there are a lot of players in football and other sports who come back from a torn ACL and go on to have a long and storied career. We shouldn't let JFC's experience color our perception of all ACL injuries. But there's a level of risk with Browne that as he comes back he could have muscular issues, or that he could reinjure the ACL.
As I said above, it sounds like the quality is there. Given that we're in League One, there are always going to be trade offs when we sign a player from a league above. And that's the case with Browne. My biggest concern remains his best position and how he fits into a 3-1-4-2/3-4-1-2.
For Browne, I'm not clear if he's back and ready to play, but I imagine the wages will be higher and length of contract longer. For those talking about an 18 month deal, I can't see him moving down to L1 for less than 2.5 years. I mean maybe 18 months with a club option for another year, but I really doubt it.
I'm fine with the signing personally as it's looking to the future, getting a better deal on a highly rated player now rather than letting someone else have a punt and having no chance of getting him in the summer.
Was it Lee Bowyer that once said if a good player becomes available to you you have to get him? Granted, I think he may have been talking about Maddison but the point is true.
If Browne is fit and able to play and his rebuilt knee, that was an issue before his ACL, is now 100% it's not an issue. Until he trys no one, even experts, KNOW, then can make educated guesses.
https://www.lancs.live/sport/football/football-news/charlie-kirk-charlton-blackpool-championship-22870709